Entire Sanctification = "In Christ"

[Keturah]

Never happened to me, most of the time I stumble on some of my posts and find it was answered, no notification-not even a "ding"
Strange, but thank you for the clarification sister.
Johann.

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[Johann]

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On it!

 

[Lizbeth]

I have no idea what you are trying to get across here,..sorry @Lizbeth I am n the righteousness of Christ, there is NO SIN in a Born Again, period , one would 100% know this, if they had been birthed in the Spirit....as soon as we are birthed/ regenerated, we are set free from all sin, past ,present and future , my sin is hidden in Christ.....a true born again imo/ belief knows this......the rebirth is a supernatural birth that only the Holy Spirit can do...the only people who understand what I’m talking about when I speak about the rebirth is Behold and Marks...the rest are silent.a true born again knows 100% that the Holy Spirit has taken up residence in their heart / spirit...100% when they have been spiritually birthed.my belief.

Lizbeth, I did ask you about the behaviour of members ,with their personal remarks to which you completely dismissed my question....I even posted God’s word about arguing......look back Sister and you will see that you never answered my question.....

When I was birthed and set free from sin by the Holy Spirit...the burden of sin was no longer mine it was on Jesus...he took all of my sin when he was nailed to the cross.....that’s how I was able to be birthed in the Spirit, because Jesus died for my sin.....and I didn’t even know I was in sin...not until I was birthed in the Spirit...this is my testimony and belief 100% and it will never change.

My faith is also a living faith.....God’s word is Alive in my heart...and I’m sure I err at times like we all do.

I can only be taught by the Holy Spirit and he teaches me much through Behold....I waited a long time for a teacher like this that I truly understand..he is most definitely a Born Again....imo and belief.....and I 100% believe Behold theology.....and Marks......

Rom 3:25

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

Our sins are forgiven when we are born again, and I believe the blood of Christ covers us for sins committed unknowingly and inadvertently afterward. I mean, sin is more than just what we may do or omit to do, but it is more like what we are, that is our flesh nature...it is corrupt.....and we are forgiven for this. However, if we know we've sinned at any time after coming to faith, we need to acknowledge it, repent and ask forgiveness that it may be cleansed.

I didn't respond to that question you mentioned because 1) I can't keep up with everything and 2) I didn't know what your point was that you were making or how it fit into what we were talking about. But yes, believers often do misbehave on forums and that is called sin. Is it called something else when Behold does it..?

Being born again.....I (and I think most others) are willing to assume that those who name the name of Jesus Christ on Christian forums are born again unless discernment indicates otherwise. We don't necessarily talk about being born again over and over again because we assume that most of us here have experienced that, and we're more concerned about growing from there....pressing on to what lies ahead. And everyone experiences it differently.....individual circumstances as well as different graces and different measures given by God to each one at the time.

ok, you said you err at times like we all do.....what do mean by err, do you mean you have errors in theology or do you mean sin? Are you saying believers may sin but it isn't called sin or considered to be sin by God?

 

[Johann]

On it!

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[Keturah]

Rom 3:25

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God

Our sins are forgiven when we are born again, and I believe the blood of Christ covers us for sins committed unknowingly and inadvertently afterward. I mean, sin is more than just what we may do or omit to do, but it is more like what we are, that is our flesh nature...it is corrupt.....and we are forgiven for this. However, if we know we've sinned at any time after coming to faith, we need to acknowledge it, repent and ask forgiveness that it may be cleansed.

I didn't respond to that question you mentioned because 1) I can't keep up with everything and 2) I didn't know what your point was that you were making or how it fit into what we were talking about. But yes, believers often do misbehave on forums and that is called sin. Is it called something else when Behold does it..?

Being born again.....I (and I think most others) are willing to assume that those who name the name of Jesus Christ on Christian forums are born again unless discernment indicates otherwise. We don't necessarily talk about being born again over and over again because we assume that most of us here have experienced that, and we're more concerned about growing from there....pressing on to what lies ahead. And everyone experiences it differently.....individual circumstances as well as different graces and different measures given by God to each one at the time.

ok, you said you err at times like we all do.....what do mean by err, do you mean you have errors in theology or do you mean sin? Are you saying believers may sin but it isn't called sin or considered to be sin by God?

Hmmmmm ........let us see!

 

[Keturah]

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Love it

 

[Keturah]

Got it I see....yay

 

[Johann]

Got it I see....yay

 

[amigo de christo]

Johann , lizbeth and keturah were here . Let the LORD be praised my friends . Contend for the true faith till the last breath .
JESUS CHRIST is our hope and our salvation . Praise the Lord .

 

[Ritajanice]

Being born again.....I (and I think most others) are willing to assume that those who name the name of Jesus Christ on Christian forums are born again unless discernment indicates otherwise. We don't necessarily talk about being born again over and over again because we assume that most of us here have experienced that, and we're more concerned about growing from there....pressing on to what lies ahead. And everyone experiences it differently.....individual circumstances as well as different graces and different measures given by God to each one at the time.

This Born Again you talk Of here,I don’t understand why you don’t talk about the rebirth and how it’s PARAMOUNT to understanding the word of God, I’m sorry if you think I talk about the rebirth over and over again, if the Holy Spirit places it in my heart to discuss the importance of being Born Again, then it will be spoken out I can’t retain it, when I know the Lord guides me to speak about it...a bit like @amigo de christo he does the same thing ,only a different subject...same subject every day.....his preaching is all over the forum....without the rebirth what foundation do I have ..?..none......if one doesn’t know that the Holy Spirit indwells their spirit 100% ....or that they have been birthed in the spirit, which is a supernatural act that only God can do....you can’t play down being Born Again @Lizbeth ..I’m actually shocked that no one talks about the rebirth very much...without 100% knowing I’m Born Again....I would have no foundation and certainly no leading through scripture from the Holy Spirit.

ok, you said you err at times like we all do.....what do mean by err, do you mean you have errors in theology or do you mean sin? Are you saying believers may sin but it isn't called sin or considered to be sin by God?

What do I mean by err...let’s put it this way, when I was born again over 30 yrs ago, that was it that’s all I knew,.100% knew I had been birthed in the Spirit.......before I could even start to understand God’s Living word through the Spirit, I had to have years of counselling as I was messed up big time.....I had to learn to un- learn all the rubbish that had been fed into me, before I could be led through God’s word by the Holy Spirit.....he couldn’t speak to me with all this rubbish inside of me...was it Sin. NO it wasn’t Sin, it was my mindset...as I AM Born Again...Having the mind of Christ is having a growth mindset, one that sees oneself as a work in progress. Willing and ready to adjust their current mindset to that which is Christ-like and pleasing to God......it’s taken years and years for me to truly understand the word of God....

As for members behaviour, you seem to be only pointing to one member @Lizbeth .....have you seriously read the whole of this thread ......I used to be the same my behaviour was a disgrace at one time, was I in Sin, no I wasn’t....I was in PRIDE......my mind did not want to let go of pride, to be honest I believe I was in ignorance of this mindset of pride....it’s a mindset @Lizbeth that is my belief.....then one day, the Holy Spirit spoke to me through scripture about arguing....it hit me like a ton of bricks, I was ready to receive that living word from God....and boy did I receive it.....in other words he spoke to my spirit.he spoke to his child ,through his Spirit that indwells my spirit.......that how he speaks to his children...if I wasn’t born again there would be no fellowship with the Holy Spirit....we are in the Living Spirit....we aren’t in the flesh........my opinion and belief.

@Lizbeth words here.

Are you saying believers may sin but it isn’t called sin or considered to be sin by God.

Does what you are saying here make any sense Lizbeth ?.....with respect what kind of question is this?

@Lizbeth my sins have been forgiven, past ,present and future, I have no idea what you are saying here, a Born Again does not sin, ..to be honest and respectful...I don’t think you and a few others aren’t of the same understanding of what it means to be born again.

by no means am I saying you aren’t born again, but your understanding of it from what I’m reading is very different to my understanding of what it truly means to be born again...Behold understanding of being born again is the same understanding that I have....his explaining of it is 100% ....spot on..being birthed isn’t a “ FEELING “ it’s a “ LIVING Spiritual Birth” that only God can do through the Living Power of the Holy Spirit........this is only my opinion and belief Lizbeth.......I also understand Marks much of the time and you also some of the time....the rest I have no understanding of their theology, none whatsoever......I hope I have answered your questions Sister, I wish you a wonderful blessed day......God Bless.

Edit to add...my written/ typed words are MY testimony/ opinion and belief 100%.......

 

[Ritajanice]

Our sins are forgiven when we are born again, and I believe the blood of Christ covers us for sins committed unknowingly and inadvertently afterward. I mean, sin is more than just what we may do or omit to do, but it is more like what we are, that is our flesh nature...it is corrupt.....and we are forgiven for this.

However, if we know we've sinned at any time after coming to faith, we need to acknowledge it, repent and ask forgiveness that it may be cleansed.

This is quite scary teaching here and completely foreign to my understanding of God’s word... imo ..@Lizbeth ......I’ve already done my repenting in the eyes of God..and he has also “ Forgiven “ my sins ,past present and future .how do you think I became born again....my sins have “ ALL” been forgiven.....a Born again has been birthed in the Spirit...it’s not a feeling it’s a spiritual birth......the “ Living” word of God, again i am shocked that some here play down the Spiritual birth...it’s the Biggest Honour and Privilege one can receive to be Born Again by God through the Holy Spirit......I thank the Lord daily for birthing me in the Spirit...that was over 30 yrs ago....and still it’s fresh in my memory....my bolt of lightning moment....some didn’t even understand what I meant when I said that...that again shocked me, they thought I meant he hit me with a bolt of lightning.LOL hahaha....I understand many powerful testimonies that are out there....

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@Lizbeth ..can we be in two realms at the same time?
We are in the realm of God a Born Again is in his spiritual Kingdom....we are his children...we are in the world but, we aren’t of this world......a Born Again can only look to their Father God....we feed on His Living word, we are in communication with Him 24/7......we are his “ Spiritual “ children through the rebirth, the Spiritual rebirth.......you see how important it is to have the Spirit of God in you...it’s PARAMOUNT to truly understanding his living word...Jesus also taught about the importance of being born again...without it..one will never see the Kingdom of God.
What does the word of God say.​

◄ Romans 8:9 ►

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Context Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. New Living Translation But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) English Standard Version You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. Berean Standard Bible You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ.

 

[Ritajanice]

The born again, on the day they are saved, are as righteous as God.

And until they die, and beyond. they remain..."made righteous"...as "the righteousness of God, in Christ".

This never changes, because the Blood Atonement, has dealt with their sin, and God has given them a new Birth, into Himself.

@Lizbeth do you understand Behold teaching here?

I understand it 100%. ...God has given them a new birth...maybe others can answer what it means?....I think/ believe some of us have different understanding of the New Birth......

Would be interesting to hear what it means to you and other’s?

 

[Johann]

Lol, it wouldn't bother me if everyone put me on ignore.....lol

 

[Johann]

Johann , lizbeth and keturah were here . Let the LORD be praised my friends . Contend for the true faith till the last breath .
JESUS CHRIST is our hope and our salvation . Praise the Lord .

Spotted @amigo de christo
Johann.

 

[Ritajanice]

Good morning here at @Behold a new glorious day Brother, we are alive and are in Christ.

Looking forward to more of your teaching, ...I love checking it out with God’s word, and you know me, if I’m unsure I will ask, knowing you will explain it to me...Praise God for you Brother.....

God Bless everyone and may you have a blessed glorious day....Amen!...God’s Love to you all.

 

[Behold]

\\Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

There are always sick people in a Church.
Not everyone in church is saved....some are, and some arn't
Some are saved and have no sin, some are not saved, and have their sin.
In both cases, we pray for the sick., as believing prayer is not just for the redeemed, its also for the unbelievers who are sick.

 

[Behold]

Good morning here at @Behold a new glorious day Brother, we are alive and are in Christ.

Looking forward to more of your teaching, ...I love checking it out with God’s word, and you know me, if I’m unsure I will ask, knowing you will explain it to me...Praise God for you Brother.....

God Bless everyone and may you have a blessed glorious day....Amen!...God’s Love to you all.

Hello,

yes, always use the Bible as the final authority.

-God bless

 

[Lizbeth]

This Born Again you talk Of here,I don’t understand why you don’t talk about the rebirth and how it’s PARAMOUNT to understanding the word of God, I’m sorry if you think I talk about the rebirth over and over again, if the Holy Spirit places it in my heart to discuss the importance of being Born Again, then it will be spoken out I can’t retain it, when I know the Lord guides me to speak about it...a bit like @amigo de christo he does the same thing ,only a different subject...same subject every day.....his preaching is all over the forum....without the rebirth what foundation do I have ..?..none......if one doesn’t know that the Holy Spirit indwells their spirit 100% ....or that they have been birthed in the spirit, which is a supernatural act that only God can do....you can’t play down being Born Again @Lizbeth ..I’m actually shocked that no one talks about the rebirth very much...without 100% knowing I’m Born Again....I would have no foundation and certainly no leading through scripture from the Holy Spirit.

I wasn't at all accusing you of talking about it too much...it doesn't bother me one bit when people talk about being born again, and of course it is certainly vital and foundational that we be born of the spirit. You had said people seemed silent on the subject and I was just trying to explain why.

What do I mean by err...let’s put it this way, when I was born again over 30 yrs ago, that was it that’s all I knew,.100% knew I had been birthed in the Spirit.......before I could even start to understand God’s Living word through the Spirit, I had to have years of counselling as I was messed up big time.....I had to learn to un- learn all the rubbish that had been fed into me, before I could be led through God’s word by the Holy Spirit.....he couldn’t speak to me with all this rubbish inside of me...was it Sin. NO it wasn’t Sin, it was my mindset...as I AM Born Again...Having the mind of Christ is having a growth mindset, one that sees oneself as a work in progress. Willing and ready to adjust their current mindset to that which is Christ-like and pleasing to God......it’s taken years and years for me to truly understand the word of God....

So I understand you to be saying that when you said err, you meant a wrong mindset, and not wrong behaviour. Thanks for clarifying that. Yes, turning from a wrong mindset to having the mind of Christ on a matter is called repentance. I don't think we always have to cry tears and beat our breast every time we repent of something, it depends on what it concerns, but the act of turning itself is repentance. We may or may not experience feelings of contrition or chagrin that accompany the repentance.

As for members behaviour, you seem to be only pointing to one member @Lizbeth .....have you seriously read the whole of this thread ......I used to be the same my behaviour was a disgrace at one time, was I in Sin, no I wasn’t....I was in PRIDE......my mind did not want to let go of pride, to be honest I believe I was in ignorance of this mindset of pride....it’s a mindset @Lizbeth that is my belief.....then one day, the Holy Spirit spoke to me through scripture about arguing....it hit me like a ton of bricks, I was ready to receive that living word from God....and boy did I receive it.....in other words he spoke to my spirit.he spoke to his child ,through his Spirit that indwells my spirit.......that how he speaks to his children...if I wasn’t born again there would be no fellowship with the Holy Spirit....we are in the Living Spirit....we aren’t in the flesh........my opinion and belief.

No I haven't read the entire thread, I don't keep up very well any more. The reason I was mentioning Behold in particular is because he is the one saying that born again believers can't sin, and yet here he is, a born again believer behaving badly towards the flock of Christ. Is that not called sin? Ok, you were in pride at one point even though you were/are born again.....do you not think that pride was sinful? I'm just trying to understand your thinking and it's not easy sorting things out in writing.

@Lizbeth words here.

Are you saying believers may sin but it isn’t called sin or considered to be sin by God.

Does what you are saying here make any sense Lizbeth ?.....with respect what kind of question is this?

I asked because I'm trying to understand you and clarify what you're saying or implying.....but I'll try to rephrase the question just in case it was misunderstood: are you saying that if a born again believer does something bad that transgresses the commands and teaching of Jesus, that it isn't called sin or that God doesn't consider it to be sin?

@Lizbeth my sins have been forgiven, past ,present and future, I have no idea what you are saying here, a Born Again does not sin, ..to be honest and respectful...I don’t think you and a few others aren’t of the same understanding of what it means to be born again.

Yet John wrote that if any man sin we have an Advocate, so apparently it is possible that a born again might sin. And James wrote that we offend in many ways all. And other examples in the scrips that I mentioned already. Anyway sister, I'm going to stop there for now.

But just to add, I don't downplay the importance of being born again at all, just that without using necessarily using that term all the time I'm discussing with you things that pertain to those who are born again. When I talk about believers, I'm talking about the born again.

 

[Lizbeth]

@Lizbeth ..can we be in two realms at the same time?

Yes, I believe we can. The bible says the flesh lusteth against the spirit and the spirit against the flesh. Like you mentioned you were at one time, as a born again believer, struggling with things such as pride and behaving badly on forums.

How I understand this, we are seated in heavenly places as concerns the new man, our inner man - which I believe is our heart/spirit, but we are in process of putting the old man under our/Christ's feet and walking in the life of the new man. Old man I believe is the realm of the soul and body....body is self-explanatory and is not in the heavenly realm since it is perishing and will perish one day. (Yet we have a new glorified body laid up for us that will not perish.) Soulishness is linked to the flesh body, being emotions/feelings, carnal mind and our own will. These all need to be sanctified, ie, brought into submission to Christ, under His feet. And maybe that is where you are, if so, praise the Lord - but I don't know for sure either way from this side of my computer screen, and am just trying to understand how you're understanding things and compare with scripture.

 

[Lizbeth]

There are always sick people in a Church.
Not everyone in church is saved....some are, and some arn't
Some are saved and have no sin, some are not saved, and have their sin.
In both cases, we pray for the sick., as believing prayer is not just for the redeemed, its also for the unbelievers who are sick.

This is not you letting the word of God inform your doctrine, it's you trying to inform the word of God so that it fits your doctrine. Otherwise called wresting the scriptures.