Saved by obeying the commandments?

[Behold]

That’s exactly what I thought, you’ve just confirmed it through the Spirit.

That member, will give you a lot of that..

You'll see.

 

[Behold]

I'll show you through the Bible.
will not inherit the kingdom of God.

The born again are already in the Kingdom of God.

"having been Translated from darkness...... TO LIGHT"


The KOG is God and Jesus.

A.) "God exists IN LIGHT
B.) "Jesus is the LIGHT of the World
C.) the born again are "Children of The Light

They are the KOG, already.
See, its a Spiritual Kingdom, that we are BORN AGAIN.....into,

Notice,

"IN Christ"
"ONE with God".

See that? That is to be in the KO>GOD

So, the Born again, are not trying to get there. They are already there and are waiting on the NEW BODY .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

My past, present and future sins are hidden in Christ....now you show me where it says in the word....that our past, present and future sins aren’t forgiven?

Who said I still want to sin, are you being serious,? I’m in Christ....there is no sin in a Born Again....I’ve been birthed in the Spirit....

You be you, but there are plenty of people that are being taught that their past, present and future sins are already forgiven." What prevents them from going ahead and willfully sinning. We've got God's permission. NO. That is not scriptural at all.

Scripture:
9 For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins.

 

[Ritajanice]

The born again are already in the Kingdom of God.

"having been Translated from darkness...... TO LIGHT"


The KOG is God and Jesus.

They are the KOG.
See, its a Spiritual Kingdom, that we are BORN AGAIN.....into,

Notice,

"IN Christ"
"ONE with God".

See that? That is to be in the KOG.

So, the Born again, are not trying to get there. They are already there and are waiting on the NEW BODY .

Hallelujah!....Amen!!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That member, will give you a lot of that..

You'll see.

Don't speak against me, brother, you've already learned from my corrections of your doctrines. I see it in your current posts.

 

[Behold]

Don't speak against me, brother, you've already learned from my corrections of your doctrines. I see it in your current posts.

No you dont.

I see you changing, somewhat.

However, you still dont yet trust in Christ, as at some point your faith became broken, and that is why you believe your salvation can be lost.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The born again are already in the Kingdom of God.

"having been Translated from darkness...... TO LIGHT"


The KOG is God and Jesus.

A.) "God exists IN LIGHT
B.) "Jesus is the LIGHT of the World
C.) the born again are "Children of The Light

They are the KOG, already.
See, its a Spiritual Kingdom, that we are BORN AGAIN.....into,

Notice,

"IN Christ"
"ONE with God".

See that? That is to be in the KO>GOD

So, the Born again, are not trying to get there. They are already there and are waiting on the NEW BODY .

You are teaching that our present and future willful sins are now in Christ? Think again, brother. If you CHOOSE to willfully sin, you've given yourself over to Satan. Romans 6:6-16

Once sinless, we are to remain walking in the Spirit continuously. That is NOT working. Stop teaching we can be irresponsible, that God does it all. We still have free will! We must be the ones DOING THE FOLLOWING.

Don't feed Rita's itching ears with corruption

 

[Behold]

You are teaching that our present and future willful sins are now in Christ?

No.
I never teach that nonsense,

I only teach Pauline Theology.

= Jesus has our sin

+ We have the righteousness of God.

A.) The end.

No sin found "in Christ", and all the born again are "In Christ".

No confessing sin, because you dont confess what Jesus has already "eternally" paid for...

"Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

No losing salvation, as born again is eternal spiritual relationship = restored with Eternal God and Christ.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

No.
I never teach that nonsense,

I only teach Pauline Theology.

= Jesus has our sin

+ We have the righteousness of God.

A.) The end.

No sin "in Christ", and all the born again are "In Christ".

No confessing sin, because you dont confess what Jesus has already "eternally" paid for...

"Jesus is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for sin".

No losing salvation, as born again is eternal spiritual relationship = restored with Eternal God and Christ.

What you teach can be easily twisted. That is why the Bible and Paul teaches so many warnings. But you don't teach ANY warnings. Make it CLEAR!

Don't you see Rita is using the doctrine of demons OSAS phrase of "Past, Present and Future" willful sins are already forgiven? Are you blind? She is looking to you as a teacher, and discounting the truth from me.

 

[Behold]

Once sinless, we are to remain walking in the Spirit continuously.

To be born again, means that the person is IN Spiritual UNION with "God who is A Spirit".

This means that God, the Holy Spirit, has birthed the Believer's spirit by the Holy Spirit into the Spirit of God.

That is ETERNAL, as GOD DID IT.

"New birth"... = Born again as a "new Creation In Christ".

Its ETERNAL Life.....

 

[amadeus]

The same one who is leading when they choose to watch Netflix, and get a piece of Chocolate.
The same one who is deciding that "this year i want to trade the Chevy in for a Audi"

Quenching the spirit is to resist it until you can't be led by it, because you have lost spiritual sensitivity.

Its also the idea of "when the spirit is moving, move with it". vs, "setting it aside" or "in a few mins i will".

It can be like this.. You are sitting on the sofa, and are flipping through the 200 Cable channels again, and you hear in your inner man.... "Romans 3:21-28 will help you to get out of the cult you are in".
So, the person thinks... "im not in a cult,"
They just quenched the Spirit.

Slightly different than what I see, but not a point to pursue.

Our Death has an appointment : Hebrews 9:27

The unbeliever is able to receive Christ for as long as they are able to be drawn by the Holy Spirit into Faith.
Protestant churches teach this as the "conviction of the Holy Spirit or the convicting power of the Holy Spirit".
There is a line that can be crossed in a person's hearing, (unbeliever) where they are so conscience seared that the Holy Spirit is =.They can't hear it. And that one, that person, is lost.
Kinda rare. And "Death bed conversions" are real.

"Kinda rare"? Perhaps, but without a direct line to God with regard to every person, how can we definitely draw that conclusion?

There is a difference between being born again into the Spirit of God, as a "new Creation in Christ", that can never change, and reacting to the Holy Spirit when He is leading.
The Spiritual Birth that is the Spiritual union between God's Spirit and the born again Spirit is a birth IN the Spirit.
That's eternal.
That is not the same as the Holy Spirit's voice that leads you to do something in life., like "go fishing".

Is there a difference between persons born from above today and what Adam was before he disobeyed God?

Lu 3:38

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

If you are born again, then that is completed.

The completion, it seems to me, would be when a person has finished growing to be more like Him:
How like Him is each of us now while still walking in the flesh and begin subject to temptations. Jesus overcame all of his temptations. Most of us, it seems to me, are still on the road and being tempted.

Joh 16:33

These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

When Jesus spoke those words, he had overcome the world of temptations of his own flesh. With the power of the Holy Ghost it is possible for each to us to do the same. But... how many still walking in the flesh who have already been born from above [born again] are no longer tempted to sin?

If a person is water baptized and religious, then its not completed.

Eternal life that is gained by being born again Spiritually, is Christ in you, and that isn't going anywhere.
Being Joined to God, Spiritually..."Born again", as a "new creation in Christ", is permanent.

Christ coming to live in the Christian, was not based on doing good or being good.
It was initiated when the life long sinner, came to God and said......"I BELIEVE IN YOUR SON, im a sinner, please save me, "
"faith is counted as righteousness"...
And God will, save.
So, God causes Salvation, as He is the one who offers it.
God is the one who created the blood atonement covenant.
Confused religious people think that this is something they DO, or that its something they can lose after God has imputed it to them.

Philippians 1:6 says that God is faithful to complete our salvation.

God is faithful to complete our salvation so long as we continue to trust Him and as needed to ask for His help.

 

[Ritajanice]

To be born again, means that the person is IN Spiritual UNION with "God who is A Spirit".

This means that God, the Holy Spirit, has birthed the Believer's spirit by the Holy Spirit into the Spirit of God.

That is ETERNAL, as GOD DID IT.

"New birth"... = Born again as a "new Creation In Christ".

Its ETERNAL Life.....

Exactly....makes “ Perfect “ sense....in Jesus Name....Amen!

 

[Behold]

What you teach can be easily twisted.

You can try to twist what i teach, but it wont work.

See, i only teach Paul's theology.

A student of Paul, will read what i post, and say..."oh yeah..."Paul".

Thats a fact.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

To be born again, means that the person is IN Spiritual UNION with "God who is A Spirit".

This means that God, the Holy Spirit, has birthed the Believer's spirit by the Holy Spirit into the Spirit of God.

That is ETERNAL, as GOD DID IT.

"New birth"... = Born again as a "new Creation In Christ".

Its ETERNAL Life.....

To walk in the Spirit continuously also means we must obey Paul's WARNING!!! of not quenching the Spirit. That takes us outside of being in Christ. Stop being so reckless with Paul's teachings.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Exactly....makes “ Perfect “ sense....in Jesus Name....Amen!

Yes, as long as you stay IN Christ. Do not quench the Spirit. You will hear warnings from me and Paul, but not @Behold.

Don't wear his rose-colored glasses. Matthew 7:13-15
13 “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14 For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it. 15 “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.

WORK out your own salvation with fear and trembling!

 

[Ritajanice]

Yes, as long as you stay IN Christ. Do not quench the Spirit. You will hear warnings from me and Paul, but not @Behold.

Don't wear his rose-colored glasses.

WORK out your own salvation with fear and trembling!

We’re already in the righteousness of Christ....so, how can we quench the Holy Spirit?

I don’t wear anyone’s rose coloured glasses.....

The Holy Spirit keeps me on that very narrow path.....

 

[1stCenturyLady]

We’re already in the righteousness of Christ....so, how can we quench the Holy Spirit?

I don’t wear anyone’s rose coloured glasses.....

The Holy Spirit keeps me on that very narrow path.....

Ask Behold. You've chosen him to teach you. Good luck! Just watch out for the quicksand. Not all is solid.

 

[Behold]

"Kinda rare"? Perhaps, but without a direct line to God with regard to every person, how can we definitely draw that conclusion?

What unbeliever has a direct line to God?
The devil.
Otherwise...
No unbeliever has any such thing.
What they have is sin, and God provided the Cross to deal with it all.
And... that is the only connection they have to God, until they are born again.

Is there a difference between persons born from above today and what Adam was before he disobeyed God?

Zero

In both cases, the spirit has become "one with God".

""""""The completion, it seems to me, would be when a person has finished growing to be more like Him:""""""



God has pre-destined the born again to be conformed into the image of Christ.
That happens in Heaven., not down here.

However, There is this.... "as many be perfect", and "the fullness of the Stature of Christ"... and those are the completed maturity of the born again Christian, on the earth.

Baby......adult.....Fully Mature.

How like Him is each of us now while still walking in the flesh and begin subject to temptations. Jesus overcame all of his temptations. Most of us, it seems to me, are still on the road and being tempted.

The Devil is the tempter.
The world will temp you.

But, if we "walk in the Light as Jesus is in the Light" then all of that, is become : "i will make darkness LIGHT before you"
In other words, we become so sensitive to what isn't spiritual, holy, pure, that we dont even rate it worth being tempted.
No time spent thinking about it... It just does not matter, ... it becomes as nothing.

Here is who is tempted.

The person who does not understand that Salvation is completed, and received by faith.
As this person is trying to do that, for themselves, as works and confessing sin.... and so that proves that their mind is not existing as "the Helmet of Salvation"
They are not wearing the "Armor of God" so the Devil has them well under control.

God is faithful to complete our salvation so long as we continue to trust Him and as needed to ask for His help.

God is not faithful because we are faithful after we are born again.
He is faithful to Himself, always.

2 Timothy 2:13

"""If we are faithless, He remains faithful [true to His word and His righteous character], for He cannot deny Himself."""


That verse is the context of:

Philippians 1:6

 

[Ritajanice]

Ask Behold. You've chosen him to teach you. Good luck! Just watch out for the quicksand. Not all is solid.

I haven’t asked him to teach me..

I was led to him by the Holy Spirit...who ministers his LIVING word to me through him......in other words he speaks to me through Behold.

My opinion and belief.....

 

[Ritajanice]

God has pre-destined the born again to be conformed into the image of Christ.
That happens in Heaven., not down here.

However, There is this.... "as many be perfect", and "the fullness of the Stature of Christ"... and those are the completed maturity of the born again Christian, on the earth.

Baby......adult.....Fully Mature.

You see @1stCenturyLady ....I fully understand what is being taught here.....as it’s the LIVING word of God...Hallelujah and Amen!!