Tradition Versus Scripture

[Bibleinvestigations]

It's not my job to convince you of the truth in scripture - that is up to you. It's also not my job to judge you - Jesus will do that if you choose to follow the ways of evil.

Read my previous post. I WILL NOT GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT SEXUAL IMMORALITY. Why are you trying to convince me to do so? Do you have a need to see sexual matters spelled out?

You are wasting your time if you think I will listen to your words over Scripture. The word of God is not difficult to follow if you read a good translation.

Anyone looking for loopholes in scripture to justify their non-biblical behavior, is not a true believer in Jesus.

incidentally Jim B., the Lord currently has me in prophecy and I ran across a similar situation to yours that was in the early church. Jesus said to the church in Thyatira:

Revelation 2:20-22 - Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of foods sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.

If you are not worshiping Jesus and following his words you are worshiping something else and that something else is called an idol. It there is something in our lives that replaces Jesus, be it money, sexual escapades, or something else, we are worshiping an idol. We all know what the definition of sexual immorality is because the Holy Spirit is in us. In the past, I fudged around with the requirements of scripture to allow me to sin as most of us do. A preacher or teacher in a church doing this is a false teacher and if you are listening to these words you are attending a false and corrupt church. Prophecy tells us that worship is to be about only Jesus and nothing else and if we focus on Jesus we will find eternal peace. If we ignore the word of God or replace it with words from others we will find eternal death and destruction.

 

[Jim B]

incidentally Jim B., the Lord currently has me in prophecy and I ran across a similar situation to yours that was in the early church. Jesus said to the church in Thyatira:

Revelation 2:20-22 - Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of foods sacrificed to idols. I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling. So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.

If you are not worshiping Jesus and following his words you are worshiping something else and that something else is called an idol. It there is something in our lives that replaces Jesus, be it money, sexual escapades, or something else, we are worshiping an idol. We all know what the definition of sexual immorality is because the Holy Spirit is in us. In the past, I fudged around with the requirements of scripture to allow me to sin as most of us do. A preacher or teacher in a church doing this is a false teacher and if you are listening to these words you are attending a false and corrupt church. Prophecy tells us that worship is to be about only Jesus and nothing else and if we focus on Jesus we will find eternal peace. If we ignore the word of God or replace it with words from others we will find eternal death and destruction.

Oh, now I understand. a) You claim to be in prophecy. Judging by what you wrote, I have a hard time accepting your claim. and b) I do worship Jesus and God amd have done so for many, many years. Therefore, I am not focused, as you are, on sexual immorality. It makes me wonder exactly why you are! If there is something in your life that replaces Jesus, be it money, sexual escapades, or something else, you are worshiping an idol. If you focus on Jesus you will find eternal peace, so stop focusing on sins, especially sexual sins.

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

Sexual immorality was the focus of your comments, not my post.

 

[Jim B]

Sexual immorality was the focus of your comments, not my post.

You wrote:

a)We all know what the definition of sexual immorality is because the Holy Spirit is in us.
b) I don't believe any scripture is irrelevant. What don't you understand about my comment regarding a church that welcomes sexual immorality?
c) BTW, since you brought this up and can't seem to notice any in the church, I'm curious as to what your definition of sexual immorality is?
d) If you truly believe those verses have nothing to do with sexual immorality, then break it down for me and explain what they mean and why. In addition, feel free to present the verses that provide numerous other definitions of sexual immorality and we can discuss them too.

and more...

If you can't be truthful then there is no point in discussing anything more with you. I have no desire to feed your prurient interests.

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

Jim B, I am not the one defending a corrupt church that tries to remove Galatians 5:22-23 from the rest of chapter 5 of Galatians, then accuses those who refuse to accept your scripture cherry picking of judging you.

 

[Jim B]

Jim B, I am not the one defending a corrupt church that tries to remove Galatians 5:22-23 from the rest of chapter 5 of Galatians, then accuses those who refuse to accept your scripture cherry picking of judging you.

"Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Matthew 7:1-2

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

"Do not judge, so that you may not be judged. For the judgment you give will be the judgment you get, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Matthew 7:1-2

I know you have a few passage memorized, but what about the rest of the Bible book? Is that irrelevant to you? What about Galatians chapter five and those verses from Revelation that I referenced? Why aren't you quoting and explaining them?

 

[Brakelite]

CAT - > commonly accepted theology.

It’s an acronym used by the OP.

In other words, orthodoxy?

 

[Brakelite]

That’s a narrow definition of “tradition.” If that’s the only use of the word that you’re addressing then you should find near universal acceptance of your concern about it.

Agreed. There a more dangerous kind of tradition, the type of tradition that hasn't been added to scripture, but it's accepted as the Lord's will,n but not specifically taught in scripture. Once such tradition is accepted into orthodoxy...or CAT, then what scriptures there are that contradict such tradition are explained away or ignored, or distorted, or filled under a different dispensation or culturally unique to a different age/time/people and therefore recognized as inappropriate to be applied to modern Christianity.

 

[Matthias]

In other words, orthodoxy?

There can be, but doesn’t have to be, a difference between orthodoxy and commonly accepted theology.

Since I was commenting on an acronym used by the OP, I’ll defer to him.

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

Agreed. There a more dangerous kind of tradition, the type of tradition that hasn't been added to scripture, but it's accepted as the Lord's will,n but not specifically taught in scripture. Once such tradition is accepted into orthodoxy...or CAT, then what scriptures there are that contradict such tradition are explained away or ignored, or distorted, or filled under a different dispensation or culturally unique to a different age/time/people and therefore recognized as inappropriate to be applied to modern Christianity.

You might laugh but I had to look up the term "orthodoxy." I'm definitely not schooled in some of theological terminology. Yes tradition based on the words of men has in some cases been injected to purposely protect the interests of false teachers. The Holy Spirit has been directing me to the truth in the Gospel author names (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and now that I'm in prophecy, in the story of John being an old man in prison when he received the Revelation he documented. These unproven stories are accepted as truth, but they are without evidence and the evidence in scripture proves that they were purposely created by false teachers to protect their power over the church.

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

I consider commonly accepted theological stew (CATS) stories that have no evidence to support them, but they have weaved their way into the church and are taught as the truth of scripture. For example, there is no evidence to support the Gospel authors as Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but they are named in every Bible and every church teaches stories created about these men as facts. There are a few Gospel verses for each then crafty false teachers created stories to embellish the scripture to justify them as authors. The Holy Spirit has shown me that these are not the Gospel authors and that false teachers intentionally misnamed the Gospels to allow the church be taken over and controlled by false teachers.

The Holy Spirit then took me to prophecy to have me find that the takeover of the church by those same false teachers was predicted in both Daniel and Revelation. More CATS is involved in the seventy sevens of Daniel and the story of John being an old man in a Roman prison at Patmos when he received the visions he documented in Revelation. The CATS has been created to point the church to the distant future for the beast rather than having it exposed in prophecy.

In regards to other orthodoxy, I would ask, "What is the purpose of it?" and "Is it from scripture?"

 

[Brakelite]

The Holy Spirit has been directing me to the truth in the Gospel author names (Matthew, Mark, and Luke

The most ancient Christian writers unanimously and consistently attribute the first of the 4 gospels to Matthew. Internal evidence indicates it was written by a converted Jew. While it is a tradition that the authors Matthew, Mark and Luke are today given attribution, it isn't without evidence and certainly has no effect on the redemption story. There are more important issues than debating this.

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

The most ancient Christian writers unanimously and consistently attribute the first of the 4 gospels to Matthew. Internal evidence indicates it was written by a converted Jew. While it is a tradition that the authors Matthew, Mark and Luke are today given attribution, it isn't without evidence and certainly has no effect on the redemption story. There are more important issues than debating this.

The words of ancient Christian writers is not evidence - it is the words of men with a motive. What do you mean by internal evidence? In regards to redemption, according to prophecy the misnaming of the Gospels has had a huge impact on redemption because it points many away from Jesus to follow a great false church.

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

I was wrapping up the interpretation of Revelation early this morning and came across the following verse that warns about adding anything to the John's vision. From the NIV:

I warn everyone who hears the words of prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. (Revelation 22:18)

Jesus knew what would happen when he provided this vision to John through an angel (Revelation 1:1). The false teachers did not physically edit the book of Revelation, they added words to it through their creation of tradition. John being an old man in a Roman prison called Patmos is a fable. The references to a seven year tribulation at the end of time is a fable. Both have been created to steer you away from recognizing the beast - the same beast that changed the names of the Gospel authors so that they could take over and control the church.

Blessings,

jaz

 

[Brakelite]

The words of ancient Christian writers is not evidence - it is the words of men with a motive. What do you mean by internal evidence? In regards to redemption, according to prophecy the misnaming of the Gospels has had a huge impact on redemption because it points many away from Jesus to follow a great false church.

I would like to know which prophecy speaks of changing the names of the authors. Who were the true authors?
I have no qualms concerning the nature of the apostate church and it's numerous fables and legends and frauds to turn people away from Christ, but I can think of many many instances of prophetic criteria identifying the beast, so I'm very curious about this renaming thing

 

[Bibleinvestigations]

I would like to know which prophecy speaks of changing the names of the authors. Who were the true authors?
I have no qualms concerning the nature of the apostate church and it's numerous fables and legends and frauds to turn people away from Christ, but I can think of many many instances of prophetic criteria identifying the beast, so I'm very curious about this renaming thing

Prophecy predicts a church takeover by false teachers, and prophecy tells us that they will use Peter to do it - the fatal wound that is healed. The true authors were men who provided their eyewitness testimony to document the Word of Jesus for all nations. Nicodemus wrote Matthew, James the brother of John wrote Mark, Silas the scribe for Peter wrote Luke and the book of Acts, and John wrote John. I can't provide the analysis here but I walk through the evidence provided through scripture in the last half of Course Corrections to Faith and Identify the Real Gospel Authors and wrap it up in The Gospel Naming Fraud that presents the analysis for Sila and exposes how the Catholic church committed the fraud. The identification of the beast is clear from prophecy in both Daniel and Revelation. The Holy Spirit has had me investigating prophecy for nearly two full-time years. Unraveling Daniel, soon to be issued, details the real message of Daniel prophecy and explains how tradition has been used to hide the beast. Decoding Revelation, soon to go to the publisher, explains how false teachers have used CATS to continue the fraud. Thanks for your interest!!!

 

[Cassandra]

Prophecy predicts a church takeover by false teachers, and prophecy tells us that they will use Peter to do it - the fatal wound that is healed. The true authors were men who provided their eyewitness testimony to document the Word of Jesus for all nations. Nicodemus wrote Matthew, James the brother of John wrote Mark, Silas the scribe for Peter wrote Luke and the book of Acts, and John wrote John. I can't provide the analysis here but I walk through the evidence provided through scripture in the last half of Course Corrections to Faith and Identify the Real Gospel Authors and wrap it up in The Gospel Naming Fraud that presents the analysis for Sila and exposes how the Catholic church committed the fraud. The identification of the beast is clear from prophecy in both Daniel and Revelation. The Holy Spirit has had me investigating prophecy for nearly two full-time years. Unraveling Daniel, soon to be issued, details the real message of Daniel prophecy and explains how tradition has been used to hide the beast. Decoding Revelation, soon to go to the publisher, explains how false teachers have used CATS to continue the fraud. Thanks for your interest!!!

Is the information in the Gospels true? Were just the names changed?

 

[Jim B]

I know you have a few passage memorized, but what about the rest of the Bible book? Is that irrelevant to you? What about Galatians chapter five and those verses from Revelation that I referenced? Why aren't you quoting and explaining them?

Because I am not required to answer your questions the way you want me to answer them.

I know you have a few passage memorized, but what about the rest of the Bible

 

[Jim B]

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