The Son of Man returns with and for his people

[Keraz]

.try turning back a page and reading Ezek 20:30-44

Plainly; Ezekiel 20:30-44 refers to the House of Israel, the ten northern tribes.
Ezekiel 20:45-49 refers to the House of Judah. As does Ezekiel 21:1-17

Israel has and will continue to be judged, until God decides otherwise, and He will decide otherwise!

You mean Judah the Jews; in your beliefs. Sadly for you there is no prophecy that tell of a general Jewish redemption.

Will there be a second exodus?
Will a remnant of Jacob be restored?
How does Ezekiel 20:35 play out?

1/ Yes. Of the faithful Christian peoples. As described in Isaiah 66:18b-21, Amos 0:13-15, Zechariah 8:1-23, Psalms 107, +
2/ ALL of the true Israelites, who are now the faithful Christian peoples, will live in all of the holy Land. Before Jesus Returns.
3/ The descendants of Jacob, all 12 tribes will be gathered in the wilderness. Those who revolt and rebel will die there, which includes most of Judah. As per Isaiah 22:14

 

[face2face]

Plainly; Ezekiel 20:30-44 refers to the House of Israel, the ten northern tribes.
Ezekiel 20:45-49 refers to the House of Judah. As does Ezekiel 21:1-17


You mean Judah the Jews; in your beliefs. Sadly for you there is no prophecy that tell of a general Jewish redemption.

1/ Yes. Of the faithful Christian peoples. As described in Isaiah 66:18b-21, Amos 0:13-15, Zechariah 8:1-23, Psalms 107, +
2/ ALL of the true Israelites, who are now the faithful Christian peoples, will live in all of the holy Land. Before Jesus Returns.
3/ The descendants of Jacob, all 12 tribes will be gathered in the wilderness. Those who revolt and rebel will die there, which includes most of Judah. As per Isaiah 22:14

Rather than pick your answer apart its best you are shown the prophecy of Zechariah 9:12-17.



Verse 13

"When I have bent Judah for me" Christ will "save the tents of Judah first" READ Zech 12:7 and they shall "fight at Jerusalem" against the power of the north (Read Zech 14:14).

The Jews in the Land are called 'Judah' and they will provide the strength & motivation which will move Israel to return to the Land and in the process act as God's arrow against the nations. Refined 'Judah' is to become Yahweh's "goodly horse" in battle to overcome all peoples round about the Land of Israel - Read Zech 10:3-5; Zech 12:5-6.

If you want me to expound the whole section happy to do so!

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[face2face]

@Keraz

Before you post in error "filled the bow with Ephraim" - Ephraim is the same as Israel and refers to the scattered Jews in the earth. Returning Israel is to be the weapon of God against the nations who have persecuted them throughout the ages - READ Zech. 10:9-11.

You must remember, God has many promises He must fulfill with His People! He is just to do so.

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[Keraz]

Ephraim is the same as Israel and refers to the scattered Jews in the earth

Ephraim IS one of the ten tribes of the House of Israel. In fact the leading tribe, still scattered around the world.
They are as many as the sands of the sea; an uncountable number, which disproves your wrong idea that they are Jewish.

God will fulfil His Promises to the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Patriarchs, Galatians 3:26-29 A truth which precludes any rejectors of Jesus.
The fact that the majority of those faithful Christian peoples ARE actual descendants of Jacob, from the ten Northern tribes, is God's secret, to be made clear after we emigrate to all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 40 to 48

You should realize that your belief in a general Jewish redemption is a vital part of the 'rapture to heaven' theory. Both ideas are Satanic lies and cannot happen.

You ask me to read scriptures which you think support your case, but don't read the ones I provide?
I know that to change is hard, but there is so much proof of how God will virtually destroy Jewish Israel and no prophesies about any general redemption of the Jews.

 

[face2face]

Ephraim IS one of the ten tribes of the House of Israel. In fact the leading tribe, still scattered around the world.
They are as many as the sands of the sea; an uncountable number, which disproves your wrong idea that they are Jewish.

God will fulfil His Promises to the SPIRITUAL descendants of the Patriarchs, Galatians 3:26-29 A truth which precludes any rejectors of Jesus.
The fact that the majority of those faithful Christian peoples ARE actual descendants of Jacob, from the ten Northern tribes, is God's secret, to be made clear after we emigrate to all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 40 to 48

You should realize that your belief in a general Jewish redemption is a vital part of the 'rapture to heaven' theory. Both ideas are Satanic lies and cannot happen.

You ask me to read scriptures which you think support your case, but don't read the ones I provide?
I know that to change is hard, but there is so much proof of how God will virtually destroy Jewish Israel and no prophesies about any general redemption of the Jews.

Keraz,

I seem to be continually having to explain basic Bible principles to you and its growing a little tiring.

I'm surprised you dont know that Ephraim became a title for the Northern Tribes.

The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick and write on it, ‘For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.’ Ezek 37:16

So, why dont you revisit my previous post and have another go!

13 When Ephraim (Israel) saw his sickness, and Judah his wound, then Ephraim (Israel) went to Assyria, and sent to the great king. But he is not able to cure you or heal your wound. 14 For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, and like a young lion to the house of Judah. I, even I, will tear and go away; I will carry off, and no one shall rescue. Ho 5:13–14.

With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Jer 31:9

I have heard Ephraim grieving, ‘You have disciplined me, and I was disciplined, like an untrained calf; bring me back that I may be restored, for you are the Lord my God. Jer 31:18

Is Ephraim my dear son? Is he my darling child? For as often as I speak against him, I do remember him still. Therefore my heart yearns for him; I will surely have mercy on him, declares the Lord. Jer 31:20

Ephraim is joined to idols; leave him alone. Hos. 4:17

So at least you have learned one thing from me during these discussion; now return to Zech 9:13 & 10:7 and show forth the meaning of the prophecy.

Here it is again:



As I said before, if you are ready to learn what these things mean I am happy to explain them to you.

How will God use his weapon in the last days and for what purpose?

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[Keraz]

I seem to be continually having to explain basic Bible principles to you and its growing a little tiring.

You, on the other hand; don't read properly or fail to understand the Bible truths of what God has planned for His people and those who disbelieve in Hm and reject Jesus; in the end times.
You have your fixed beliefs and I stick to what the Bible actually does say.

Any further dialogue with you is fruitless and it will only be as things actually happen, that proper understanding will come to you and the many deceived and confused people. Isaiah 35:4-5

 

[face2face]

@Keraz Posts #905 & 905 currently stand against your understanding of what is to happen at the end times - this is only a fraction of the events to take place. The Second Exodus also relates to the Work of Elijah.

I'm always here when you want to learn of those things God is bringing on the Earth.

De-Christianise the OT prophecies and you will start to piece it together.

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[face2face]

@Keraz just a word of advice, when someone accurately corrects your understanding as per your error on Ephraim, you should have the integrity to admit such a gap in your knowledge. Even modern commentaries acknowledge this Ephraim is synonymous with Israel. I can provide the references if you so desire.

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[Spiritual Israelite]

We agree on something.

Which is?

Two seperate events separated by a thousand years, which is why you will object in the first place.

You think what is described in Revelation 20:9 (people being consumed by fire) is separated by a thousand years from what is described in Revelation 20:15 (people being cast into the lake of fire)?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite you know the type of questions you are stating will actually lead you into truth - a good question is better than a good answer...do you know why?

Let's not play games. Just get to the point. I have no idea what you are talking about here.

 

[Keraz]

just a word of advice, when someone accurately corrects your understanding

Joke?
I note you are an Australian. That explains your arrogance and know it all attitude.

Ephraim is now the British people. Genesis 48-13-20

 

[face2face]

Ephraim is now the British people. Genesis 48-13-20

Lol what planet are you from?

 

[face2face]

Let's not play games. Just get to the point. I have no idea what you are talking about here.

It was my poor way of saying you made a good point and asked a good question of the beast, prophet etc.
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[face2face]

Joke?
I note you are an Australian. That explains your arrogance and know it all attitude.

Ephraim is now the British people. Genesis 48-13-20

No joke Keraz!

The Word of God has plainly shown you Ephraim is representative for all Israel.

If that was a dead end...what of the last verse of the OT?

“Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes. 6 And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction. Mal 4:5

I assume you believe "you" to be already converted Christian Jews only?

Surely Elijah must come to restore all things....

What things Keraz?

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[Spiritual Israelite]

Joke?
I note you are an Australian. That explains your arrogance and know it all attitude.

What a ridiculous and bigoted thing to say. As if all Australians are arrogant and have a know it all attitude. That is not true. As Christians, we should know better than to be bigoted towards any particular group.

 

[face2face]

What a ridiculous and bigoted thing to say. As if all Australians are arrogant and have a know it all attitude. That is not true. As Christians, we should know better than to be bigoted towards any particular group.

Us Aussie's have thick skins!
He was losing ground in our discussion and felt the heat, so to speak...he will regain strength and recover.
Also, I can push a little hard somethings!
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[face2face]

Ephraim is now the British people. Genesis 48-13-20

For everyone else reading this discussion.
The plain reason Ephraim cannot be Brittan is seen on Ezekiel 37:15-17

15 The word of the Lord came to me: 16 “Son of man, take a stick and write on it, ‘For Judah, and the people of Israel associated with him’; then take another stick and write on it, ‘For Joseph (the stick of Ephraim) and all the house of Israel associated with him.

The prophecy is speaking to the unifying of all Israel "they shall become one stick"

Why is this important?

Throughout Ezekiels prophecies, it is the Lord Jesus Christ who will form them into one nation "in the hand," or through the influence and under the supervision of the Lord Jesus Christ. Read v19, the stick is represented as being in the hand of God, and the prophet
was told: "They shall be made one in mine hand." The Lord Jesus Christ is not merely "Son of Man" (the title of Ezekiel the prophet), but he is also the manifestation of God. Therefore it can be truly said when he restores Israel to true unity one with the other and with their God, that this has been the work of God through him.


This is a massive part of the Hope of Israel to which Paul was bound.

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[Keraz]

The prophecy is speaking to the unifying of all Israel "they shall become one stick"

You just proved that Judah remains separate from Israel/ Ephraim.
Ezekiel 37:1`5-17 simply describes the rejoining of a remnant of Judah with the majority the Christian peoples, Jeremiah 50:4-5

We know who Judah are; the Jewish people, but who and where is Israel; the ten Northern tribes?
I showed in Genesis 49, that Ephraim is now the British Commonwealth. Manasseh is represented by America. The other tribes are represented by various European nations.

 

[face2face]

You just proved that Judah remains separate from Israel/ Ephraim.
Ezekiel 37:1`5-17 simply describes the rejoining of a remnant of Judah with the majority the Christian peoples, Jeremiah 50:4-5

No Keraz,

You need to dig a hole and bury the idea that these prophecies relate to Christian's period!

But a wonderful quote which supports Judah & Israel being united once more:

4 “In those days and in that time, declares the Lord, the people of Israel and the people of Judah shall come together, weeping as they come, and they shall seek the Lord their God. 5 They shall ask the way to Zion, with faces turned toward it, saying, ‘Come, let us join ourselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant that will never be forgotten.’ Jer 50:4–5.

See the hints: everlasting covenant - - - > turning their faces (where have you read that before?) joining together!!!

You really are without excuse!

If you want to find a prophecy that speaks to the work of knowledgeable Christians here it is:

Jer 3:15 And I (God) will give you (Israel) pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

After all, the New Covenant will need to be explained to natural Israel (written on their hearts!)

We know who Judah are; the Jewish people, but who and where is Israel; the ten Northern tribes?
I showed in Genesis 49, that Ephraim is now the British Commonwealth. Manasseh is represented by America. The other tribes are represented by various European nations.

You have shown nothing Keraz - all you have done is say "Ephraim is Britain", which is absolute poppycock!

Please don't try and prove it, you will only embarrass yourself.

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[face2face]

@Keraz,

Here is a task for you:

Read this carefully....

15 “ ‘And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding. 16 And when you have multiplied and been fruitful in the land, in those days, declares the Lord, they shall no more say, “The ark of the covenant of the Lord.” It shall not come to mind or be remembered or missed; it shall not be made again. 17 At that time Jerusalem shall be called the throne of the Lord, and all nations shall gather to it, to the presence of the Lord in Jerusalem, and they shall no more stubbornly follow their own evil heart. 18 In those days the house of Judah shall join the house of Israel, and together they shall come from the land of the north to the land that I gave your fathers for a heritage. Je 3:15–18.

Can you prove from this text is speaking of events post Jesus' second coming?

You can already see the joining of Judah and Israel - that's a given
You can already see God will choose New Covenant people to teach natural Israel

But prove from the text this is speaking to events post Christ's second coming!

So obvious - others can join in as well if they so desire.

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