Split within the Southern Baptist Church

[amigo de christo]

I don't think you realize you insulted yourself in that last bold part.

No topic here is due such a cost as that. Whether that be insulting yourself or others.

No , she realized exactly what she was doing . Most folks see the true lambs as nuts anyway .
But , be that as it may , THE LAMBS GONNA STAY THE COURSE IN THE GLORIOUS CHRIST JESUS OF GOD .
Counting the cost and fearing not man or to suffer FOR HIS NAME SAKE .
ALL ABOARD . THE CALL IS BEING MADE . COME YE UNTO THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST OF GOD
the ONE that is TRUE and not another jesus created of men through bad doctrines .
GET IN THOSE BIBLES and STAY in those bibles . Many decievers abound .
These be the last days this world is ever gonna see . The WRATH OF ALL MIGHTY GOD
will be TREAD BY CHRIST JESUS UNTO ALL WHO DENIED HIM AS THE CHRIST and who loved a lie
and had pleasure in unrighteousness . AND MY DESIRE IS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLES
SO ME IS GONNA POINT THEM TO THE ONLY NAME WHEREBY THEY MAY BE SAVED ,
TEACHING ALL things HE DID SAY and COMMAND . HOLDING ONTO by the SPIRIT OF GRACE given me IN CHRIST JESUS ,
TO THE BIBLE AS THE BOOK OF TRUTH . GET IN those bibles .
Even if you have read it FIFTY TIMES . GET IN IT and STAY IN IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

So explain the highlights of your post....#74

You have your opinion as expressed, I have mine.

The term has absolutely nothing to do with God nor his power, characteristics and attributes.
Rather the term is a shield that evil does hide behind.

AND

It has been said in this age, not to discount the crusades either or events of times past, but rather of family annihilators, child predators, even serial killers, ect. " They were christian, faithful in service to their church and family ect."

I'm disagreeing with the term of, not the actual, true believers and followers of Christ.

Look again at all the present day evil of homosexuality that presents itself as " christian, God loving" but we both agree this is abominable, correct?

The problem here is that you are not defining a distinct target for a shot, but rather a general stink bomb for Christ's religion.

There is a guy on here that does not like the term religion in relation to Christianity and you seem to disagree with the term Christian....Are you referring to a religion based on Christ that would not fall in the category of Christian?

My issue is that you seem negative towards Christianity with no rational train of thought. Can you clarify your point?

Post seventy four . The only post seventy four i am finding , BUTTERFLY JONES wrote it
not LAMB .

 

[ButterflyJones]

No , she realized exactly what she was doing . Most folks see the true lambs as nuts anyway .
But , be that as it may , THE LAMBS GONNA STAY THE COURSE IN THE GLORIOUS CHRIST JESUS OF GOD .
Counting the cost and fearning not man or to suffer FOR HIS NAME SAKE .
ALL ABOARD . THE CALL IS BEING MADE . COME YE UNTO THE TRUE JESUS CHRIST OF GOD
the ONE that is TRUE and not another jesus created of men through bad doctrines .
GET IN THOSE BIBLES and STAY in those bibles . Many decievers abound .
These be the last days this world is ever gonna see . The WRATH OF ALL MIGHTY GOD
will be TREAD BY CHRIST JESUS UNTO ALL WHO DENIED HIM AS THE CHRIST and who loved a lie
and had pleasure in unrighteousness . AND MY DESIRE IS GOOD FOR THE PEOPLES
SO ME IS GONNA POINT THEM TO THE ONLY NAME WHEREBY THEY MAY BE SAVED ,
TEACHING ALL things HE DID SAY and COMMAND . HOLDING ONTO by the SPIRIT OF GRACE given me IN CHRIST JESUS ,
TO THE BIBLE AS THE BOOK OF TRUTH . GET IN those bibles .
Even if you have read it FIFTY TIMES . GET IN IT and STAY IN IT .

You actually cannot speak for what another knows.

 

[amigo de christo]

You actually cannot speak for what another knows.

Probably true . But i do think she knows what she was typing .

 

[amigo de christo]

You actually cannot speak for what another knows.

ALL ABOARD the ARK OF GOD CHRIST JESUS . GOD WILL DESTROY THIS PLACE
And all who rejected CHRIST JESUS WILL PERISH FROM OFF THE LAND .
I might sound like lott did to his own sons in law . BUT HAD THEY HEEDED HIS WARNING and CAME OUT
from amongst them , THEY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DESTROYED WITH THEM .
We are running out of time butterfly jones . FOR all this wickedness and love of inquity THE LORD IS GONNA JUDGE
the WORLD IN WRATH . WE MUST NOT be partakers of their rainbows , their false love many path lie to GOD .
Touch not the lie , the unclean thing . Let all who name the name of CHRIST depart from inquity .
GOD IS NOT A GOD that honors BOTH PATHS . HIS WAYS are not the ways of men gone wrong .
HIS LOVE is not their love . COME YE OUT , be no partaker of their deeds and their sins .
For all who love a lie will perish . The DELUSION IS HERE and it will unite all who rejected the love of the truth
unto the lie that cometh in the name of love , BUT IS NOT LOVE . Beware for its unity is sneaky
and its love does speak of doing good some good works . BUT IT IS A LIE , IT HONORS SINS
it honors all paths and all religoins as ways to GOD . ITS Father is the dragon , its the mother the HARLOT .
Beware , for this delusion of the inclusion IS LEADING ALL RIGHT TO IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

You actually cannot speak for what another knows.

How come grailhunter is asking lamb about POST SEVENTY FOUR .
The only post seventy four i see , is your post not hers .
And its a real short post . DO you have any idea what is going on with this .

 

[ButterflyJones]

How come grailhunter is asking lamb about POST SEVENTY FOUR .
The only post seventy four i see , is your post not hers .
And its a real short post . DO you have any idea what is going on with this .

I cannot speak for Grailhunter.

 

[amigo de christo]

I cannot speak for Grailhunter.

Okay . but it sure seems confusing . i mean seventy four is your post
but grailhunter clicked on lambs name and was asking her about this .

 

[Grailhunter]

Besides all the other significant things that women were involved with in early Christianity, consider the story of the woman at the well. John 4:4-29. Yeshua sent a woman to the Samaritans to deliver the Gospel. He sent her because He knew that they would not accept Him or His Apostles. (Back ground....the Jews and Samarians did not get along. They practiced an alternate version of Judaism and considered the Temple on Mount Gerizim as their most holy site rather than then the Temple in Jerusalem. The Jews destroyed the Temple on Mount Gerizim and from there the Jews and Samarians were hostile toward each other.)

The scriptures only note women financing Christ's ministry.

Most of the Apostles abandoned Christ in the garden but the women where with Christ at the cross while the Apostles were hiding.

It was women that weree at the tomb on the day of the resurrection.

When Christ appeared to the women they were not scared but when He appeared to the Apostles they were frightened even terrified and thought He was a ghost. A ghost! Luke 24:36-51 Never considering that the resurrection was possible. Then you have the issue of doubting Thomas….Just exactly what they believed is uncertain at that point.

And Christ assigned Mary Magdalene to announce the resurrection. One of the most significant events in Christianity. She apparently knew where the Apostles were hiding.

AND Messiah means anointed one and if you look at the biblical history of it, it is significant. Anointing comes from someone of religious authority and that brings up another topic. As it was noted in the scriptures only women anointed Christ. The Messiah would have had to be officially anointed. And this was done by women. The story behind that possibly involves the Order of Melchizedek.

Towards the end of Paul’s ministry he started using women as deacons? Ministers? And he commended their contributions.

 

[amigo de christo]

Besides all the other significant things that women were involved with in early Christianity, consider the story of the woman at the well. John 4:4-29. Yeshua sent a woman to the Samaritans to deliver the Gospel. He sent her because He knew that they would not accept Him or His Apostles. (Back ground....the Jews and Samarians did not get along. They practiced an alternate version of Judaism and considered the Temple on Mount Gerizim as their most holy site rather than then the Temple in Jerusalem. The Jews destroyed the Temple on Mount Gerizim and from there the Jews and Samarians were hostile toward each other.)

The scriptures only note women financing Christ's ministry.

Most of the Apostles abandoned Christ in the garden but the women where with Christ at the cross while the Apostles were hiding.

It was women that weree at the tomb on the day of the resurrection.

When Christ appeared to the women they were not scared but when He appeared to the Apostles they were frightened even terrified and thought He was a ghost. A ghost! Luke 24:36-51 Never considering that the resurrection was possible. Then you have the issue of doubting Thomas….Just exactly what they believed is uncertain at that point.

And Christ assigned Mary Magdalene to announce the resurrection. One of the most significant events in Christianity. She apparently knew where the Apostles were hiding.

AND Messiah means anointed one and if you look at the biblical history of it, it is significant. Anointing comes from someone of religious authority and that brings up another topic. As it was noted in the scriptures only women anointed Christ. The Messiah would have had to be officially anointed. And this was done by women. The story behind that possibly involves the Order of Melchizedek.

Towards the end of Paul’s ministry he started using women as deacons? Ministers? And he commended their contributions.

Paul never used women deacons . I think i see where this one is going .
You all always do this . Saying things like paul was returning to his jewish roots , contradicting things he once taught
doing things he once did not . Folks love changing the truth in the scriptures to suit an agenda .

 

[amigo de christo]

Besides all the other significant things that women were involved with in early Christianity, consider the story of the woman at the well. John 4:4-29. Yeshua sent a woman to the Samaritans to deliver the Gospel. He sent her because He knew that they would not accept Him or His Apostles. (Back ground....the Jews and Samarians did not get along. They practiced an alternate version of Judaism and considered the Temple on Mount Gerizim as their most holy site rather than then the Temple in Jerusalem. The Jews destroyed the Temple on Mount Gerizim and from there the Jews and Samarians were hostile toward each other.)

The scriptures only note women financing Christ's ministry.

Most of the Apostles abandoned Christ in the garden but the women where with Christ at the cross while the Apostles were hiding.

It was women that weree at the tomb on the day of the resurrection.

When Christ appeared to the women they were not scared but when He appeared to the Apostles they were frightened even terrified and thought He was a ghost. A ghost! Luke 24:36-51 Never considering that the resurrection was possible. Then you have the issue of doubting Thomas….Just exactly what they believed is uncertain at that point.

And Christ assigned Mary Magdalene to announce the resurrection. One of the most significant events in Christianity. She apparently knew where the Apostles were hiding.

AND Messiah means anointed one and if you look at the biblical history of it, it is significant. Anointing comes from someone of religious authority and that brings up another topic. As it was noted in the scriptures only women anointed Christ. The Messiah would have had to be officially anointed. And this was done by women. The story behind that possibly involves the Order of Melchizedek.

Towards the end of Paul’s ministry he started using women as deacons? Ministers? And he commended their contributions.

He never changed his mind about women leading the churches . pastors love to twist this stuff to support
their own agendas . Folks is just scared to preach truth in an ever changing world .

 

[Grailhunter]

Post seventy four . The only post seventy four i am finding , BUTTERFLY JONES wrote it
not LAMB .

She said she deleted it. Part of it is here.
The term has absolutely nothing to do with God nor his power, characteristics and attributes.
Rather the term is a shield that evil does hide behind.

AND

It has been said in this age, not to discount the crusades either or events of times past, but rather of family annihilators, child predators, even serial killers, ect. " They were christian, faithful in service to their church and family ect."

 

[amigo de christo]

Besides all the other significant things that women were involved with in early Christianity, consider the story of the woman at the well. John 4:4-29. Yeshua sent a woman to the Samaritans to deliver the Gospel. He sent her because He knew that they would not accept Him or His Apostles. (Back ground....the Jews and Samarians did not get along. They practiced an alternate version of Judaism and considered the Temple on Mount Gerizim as their most holy site rather than then the Temple in Jerusalem. The Jews destroyed the Temple on Mount Gerizim and from there the Jews and Samarians were hostile toward each other.)

The scriptures only note women financing Christ's ministry.

Most of the Apostles abandoned Christ in the garden but the women where with Christ at the cross while the Apostles were hiding.

It was women that weree at the tomb on the day of the resurrection.

When Christ appeared to the women they were not scared but when He appeared to the Apostles they were frightened even terrified and thought He was a ghost. A ghost! Luke 24:36-51 Never considering that the resurrection was possible. Then you have the issue of doubting Thomas….Just exactly what they believed is uncertain at that point.

And Christ assigned Mary Magdalene to announce the resurrection. One of the most significant events in Christianity. She apparently knew where the Apostles were hiding.

AND Messiah means anointed one and if you look at the biblical history of it, it is significant. Anointing comes from someone of religious authority and that brings up another topic. As it was noted in the scriptures only women anointed Christ. The Messiah would have had to be officially anointed. And this was done by women. The story behind that possibly involves the Order of Melchizedek.

Towards the end of Paul’s ministry he started using women as deacons? Ministers? And he commended their contributions.

I guess folks need a rethink . IF WOMEN were once to ever lead a church
HOW COME NOT ONE APOSTEL WAS FEMALE . JESUS chose twelve , i didnt see one woman .
SEE women can be used , but they are not to lead nor usurp AUTHORITY over the man .
Paul knew this . I did not suffer a woman to teach nor ....................
repeat after me , MEN are not Better than women but the pattern was set and the pattern remains .
The problem is most leaders , no matter what the teaching is , ARE AFRAID .
They go with the winds of men and of change .

 

[amigo de christo]

She said she deleted it. Part of it is here.
The term has absolutely nothing to do with God nor his power, characteristics and attributes.
Rather the term is a shield that evil does hide behind.

AND

It has been said in this age, not to discount the crusades either or events of times past, but rather of family annihilators, child predators, even serial killers, ect. " They were christian, faithful in service to their church and family ect."

CINO . most are CINO throughout the churches . Just as we have RINO we got CINO .
Republican in name only , Christain in name only .
That is the problem . Not using the name christain . I call myself christain .
But i do get what she is trying to say . That most USE the name christain and have done so for evil . THAT IS TRUE .
However again , Its not wrong to say I am a christain . We are christain . But i do understand
her view points about how so many CINO have used the name Christain and done so to do great evil .
But again many have used the very name of JESUS and have done great evil too . But i wont start not saying that Name .
I Do see the problem . As far as the southern bapist churches . THEY SOLD OUT long ago .
And even the ones coming out and going in rick warrens direction , THEY EVEN WORSE .
Just watch what this will lead too .
Even the southern baptist churches that still do honor the man as leader , EVEN THEY SOLD OUT .
This is a mess to be honest . At most you got churches that hold to some truths , BUT JUST NOT ALL TRUTH .
And that has been a problem for a long time . ITS JUST GETTING SO MUCH WORSE in these final days .

 

[Grailhunter]

Paul never used women deacons . I think i see where this one is going .
You all always do this . Saying things like paul was returning to his jewish roots , contradicting things he once taught
doing things he once did not . Folks love changing the truth in the scriptures to suit an agenda .

Well I am glad you know where I am heading with this….destination…Truth.

First off note that I put question marks there because I know people will interpret this differently.

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. Romans 16:1

Paul attaches to her three titles: diakonos meaning a deacon (lit. "servant"), sister, and prostatis meaning "a woman in a supportive role, patron, benefactor". There is no difference when the title of deacon is used for Phoebe than when it is used for Timothy.

 

[amigo de christo]

She said she deleted it. Part of it is here.
The term has absolutely nothing to do with God nor his power, characteristics and attributes.
Rather the term is a shield that evil does hide behind.

AND

It has been said in this age, not to discount the crusades either or events of times past, but rather of family annihilators, child predators, even serial killers, ect. " They were christian, faithful in service to their church and family ect."

Do you mind if i ask you a question .
How would you classify rick warren .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well I am glad you know where I am heading with this….destination…Truth.

First off note that I put question marks there because I know people will interpret this differently.

I commend to you our sister Phoebe, a deacon of the church in Cenchreae. Romans 16:1

Paul attaches to her three titles: diakonos meaning a deacon (lit. "servant"), sister, and prostatis meaning "a woman in a supportive role, patron, benefactor". There is no difference when the title of deacon is used for Phoebe than when it is used for Timothy.

Yea , it says sister in the OLDER versions . ITS a few newer ones that PUT DEACON IN there . so yeah , i dont buy it for a second .
You do realize what is going on right .
THEY changing some things . Soon enough we will have us an all inclusive rainbow AI bible .
I a lie from hell it will be . BUT THE MASSES WILL LOVE and EMBRACE IT , just as they now are moving fast
in that direcition under the all inclusive pile of ............
lie . My advice dont ask me to repeat that word . I wont do it . But just know it aint good . I cant stand that lie at all .
It honors sin and it has trod JESUS right under foot . AND I WILL NOT partake of this false love unity junk .
My UNITY is with lambs and its UNDER JESUS CHRIST , and not what men try and sell as jesus either .

 

[Grailhunter]

CINO . most are CINO throughout the churches . Just as we have RINO we got CINO .
Republican in name only , Christain in name only .
That is the problem . Not using the name christain . I call myself christain .
But i do get what she is trying to say . That most USE the name christain and have done so for evil . THAT IS TRUE .
However again , Its not wrong to say I am a christain . We are christain . But i do understand
her view points about how so many CINO have used the name Christain and done so to do great evil .
But again many have used the very name of JESUS and have done great evil too . But i wont start not saying that Name .
I Do see the problem . As far as the southern bapist churches . THEY SOLD OUT long ago .
And even the ones coming out and going in rick warrens direction , THEY EVEN WORSE .
Just watch what this will lead too .
Even the southern baptist churches that still do honor the man as leader , EVEN THEY SOLD OUT .
This is a mess to be honest . At most you got churches that hold to some truths , BUT JUST NOT ALL TRUTH .
And that has been a problem for a long time . ITS JUST GETTING SO MUCH WORSE in these final days .

Like I said....do you guys speak the same language because only you two will understand each other.
For the rest of us it seems negative...condemning...and unchristion like. Just a stink bomb for Christianity.

Chrisitianity is not about hating women....demeaning women.....degrading women....They are equal members in the body of Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

Do you mind if i ask you a question .
How would you classify rick warren .

To be honest I have not followed Rick Warren ministry.

 

[amigo de christo]

Like I said....do you guys speak the same language because only you two will understand each other.
For the rest of us it seems negative...condemning...and unchristion like. Just a stink bomb for Christianity.

Chrisitianity is not about hating women....demeaning women.....degrading women....They are equal members in the body of Christ.

Yeah and its not demenaing women either . paul was not demeaning women just cause He would not allow them
to teach or usurp authority over the man . True women of GOD understand this .
They value THE TRUTH , not themselves over the truth . Its not about our image , its not about us .
ITS ABOUT GOD and serving HIM , HIS PATTERN , HIS TRUTH , LOVING HIS EVERY WORD .
WE aint entitled and i think its time our generation learns that .
This is the most SO called entitled ME ME ME , generation i have ever seen .
More concerned about protecting the right to do evil and not one bit concerned with WHAT GOD CALLS RIGHT .
WELL , by grace , i am no longer of this world and i wont do its bidding .
I wont support any rights that go against WHAT GOD CALLS RIGHTEOUS and GOOD .
EVEN peter made mention of this .
But this generation when confronted with the TRUTH , instead of heeding it
makes the one bringing it seem like a monster who hates women , or gays , or whatever .
Grailhunter , i do love you , but i refuse to conform one millimeter in the wrong direction of a sold out world .
ITS TRUTH FOR ME and if that costs me all , THEN I DIE HAPPY no matter what .
By now some folks are beginning to see and understand , I HAD RATHER BE DEAD than to sell ONE WORD of GOD OUT .
SO , may society figure out what do to to folks like me . BUT I WONT CONFORM TO IT ONE BIT .
Rather i will continue to point to CHRIST and the biblical pattern left to us . YOU have a blessed day now .