Denominations that teach only they will be saved

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
So, you believe God is a cosmic tyrant?
One who does not care about human trauma?

Just more of your foolish questions.
When you want to discuss something of meaning let me know.

The questions were rhetorical, I suppose. Your obvious answer would be "Yes!"

You think God cares about them living with trauma - you certainly don't know Him!

This says it all.
The god you know does not care about human trauma. Kill, steal, and destroy.

 

[face2face]

St. SteVen said:
So, you believe God is a cosmic tyrant?
One who does not care about human trauma?

The questions were rhetorical, I suppose. Your obvious answer would be "Yes!"


This says it all.
The god you know does not care about human trauma. Kill, steal, and destroy.

Playing more games! What says it all is your lack of understanding why God is not concerned about those who stoned that man. You don't know, because we have proved over and over, you don't want to know anything that challenges your perverted view of God.

It's not your fault St.SteVen, you have been damaged.

The God I know is the God of Numbers 15 - that's the chapter and God you don’t want to know (or talk about) - that much is crystal clear.

You think you have leverage (lol), but you have nothing! Only your cleverly devised questions which reveal a sad mind in you.

You know, even if the truth of Numbers 15 was revealed to you, I doubt you could accept it - am I wrong? Be honest! If you discovered that God was justified in putting that man to death, I doubt you would honestly acknowledge that truth! I doubt you would change your mind on God and His morality.

I perceive from you more pathetic assumptions and questions.

F2F

 

[face2face]

Humanism.

@St. SteVen a bit close to home that reply St.

 

[St. SteVen]

... you don't want to know anything that challenges your perverted view of God.

That saw cuts both ways.

 

[St. SteVen]

@St. SteVen a bit close to home that reply St.

Not sure why anyone would be opposed to Humanism.
Although I recall the evangelicals took a position against it.
If they didn't learn it from church, it must be of the devil?

Defined as:
Humanism is a philosophical stance that emphasizes the individual
and social potential, and agency of human beings, whom it considers
the starting point for serious moral and philosophical inquiry.

 

[face2face]

That saw cuts both ways.

same same...

 

[Patrick1966]

Not sure why anyone would be opposed to Humanism.
Although I recall the evangelicals took a position against it.
If they didn't learn it from church, it must be of the devil?

Defined as:
Humanism is a philosophical stance that emphasizes the individual
and social potential, and agency of human beings, whom it considers
the starting point for serious moral and philosophical inquiry.

Perhaps because it omits God.

 

[face2face]

Not sure why anyone would be opposed to Humanism.
Although I recall the evangelicals took a position against it.
If they didn't learn it from church, it must be of the devil?

Defined as:
Humanism is a philosophical stance that emphasizes the individual
and social potential, and agency of human beings, whom it considers
the starting point for serious moral and philosophical inquiry.

Humanism is a mind that speaks without theism.

 

[face2face]

Perhaps because it omits God.

Ah how refreshing!

 

[St. SteVen]

I doubt you would honestly acknowledge that truth! I doubt you would change your mind on God and His morality.

What is your stance on the Ten Commandments? (which contains the Sabbath commandment)
Have you changed your mind on "God and His morality"? (the law)

 

[face2face]

What is your stance on the Ten Commandments? (which contains the Sabbath commandment)
Have you changed your mind on "God and His morality"? (the law)

Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.
Hebrew 4:11

Why would Paul provide this warning?
What effort?

 

[RLT63]

That saw cuts both ways.

Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” According to this verse, the punishment of the unsaved is just as eternal as the life of the righteous. Some believe that those in hell will eventually cease to exist, but the Lord Himself seems to confirm that it will last forever. Matthew 25:41 and Mark 9:44 describe hell as “eternal fire” and “unquenchable fire.”
I haven’t read every post but if I remember correctly I think you believe in some form of Universalism. If I’ve got that wrong I apologize.
I’m not sure about ECT anymore. I’m open to views on annihilation and temporary punishment.
As long as you’re trusting Jesus as your savior I think you can believe whatever you want about eternity.
That meme you posted with Jesus saying forgive your enemies while I torture mine in Hell for eternity makes you think.
I’m not an expert so I don’t think my views are the only valid ones. It’s not something I would argue about

 

[Patrick1966]

Matthew 25:46 says, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Here is what it actually says:

Matthew 25:46 CLNT
46 And these shall be coming away into chastening eonian, yet the just into life eonian.

MATTHEW'S ACCOUNT - Concordant Publishing Concern

www.concordant.org

Garbage translations lead to garbage doctrines, such as forever torture at the hands of Jesus.

 

[Patrick1966]

I’m not an expert so I don’t think my views are the only valid ones. It’s not something I would argue about

You don't have to be an expert. You only need to read the scriptures. I can share a plethora of scriptures with you that will demonstrate that, in the end, ALL people will be with God. In my experience, however, most Christians here reject the scriptures in favor of their false theology that Jesus tortures people forever.

 

[Patrick1966]

Not sure why anyone would be opposed to Humanism.

Just to expand, I believe that any thought system that doesn't recognize God and which doesn't defer to his laws is immoral. Why is it immoral? Because it is displeasing to God. As Jesus said, the most important of the laws is to love God. He loves us and wants our love in return. Humanism is an ideology that says that people can be "good" and "moral' without God. I wouldn't touch that with the proverbial ten-foot pole.

 

[RLT63]

You don't have to be an expert. You only need to read the scriptures. I can share a plethora of scriptures with you that will demonstrate that, in the end, ALL people will be with God. In my experience, however, most Christians here reject the scriptures in favor of their false theology that Jesus tortures people forever.

You are just as dogmatic as they are. Looking at the translation you are using I see where your issues come from. No point arguing with you

 

[Patrick1966]

You are just as dogmatic as they are. Looking at the translation you are using I see where your issues come from. No point arguing with you

Typical. I give you the truth and you respond by bashing me.

Matthew 7:6 ESV
Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

 

[RLT63]

Typical. I give you the truth and you respond by bashing me.

Matthew 7:6 ESV
Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

This translation is the brain-child of Adolph Ernst Knoch, a heretic who advocated soul-sleep and denied the deity of Christ.
I tried to be civil and you bashed the translation I used called it garbage and proceeded to correct me. It’s your preferred translation that is garbage though

 

[Patrick1966]

This translation is the brain-child of Adolph Ernst Knoch, a heretic who advocated soul-sleep and denied the deity of Christ.
I tried to be civil and you bashed the translation I used called it garbage and proceeded to correct me. It’s your preferred translation that is garbage though

If punishment is forever, then a boatload of scripture is false. In any event, I'm not going to waste any more time reading your posts, let alone responding. Good luck.

 

[RLT63]

If punishment is forever, then a boatload of scripture is false. In any event, I'm not going to waste any more time reading your posts, let alone responding. Good luck.

You didn’t read my post to begin with. I told you I wasn’t certain about eternal conscious torment anymore and was open to other views. My mistake was to try to have a civil conversation with you.