What is New Testament Holiness?

[marks]

I think some post here while imbibing.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Well, maybe not exactly! More like, for some who post that way, riling up others through their negative and insulting comments, then keeping that negativity going through repeated postings in kind, that IS their "imbibing". The only difference being that person's drug of choice is endogenous.

Needling someone in order to get them emotionally cranked up, then receiving in yourself that chemical boost from the feeling of affirmation, or power, or whatever it is that this is hitting the spot, that's the addiction. That's the drug.

Just say no!

Much love!

 

[marks]

So you are typically misinformed and knee jerk reacting here.

So then one should ask themself . . . what is the purpose of making such comments? Who does this serve? What will be accomplished?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

So then one should ask themself . . . what is the purpose of making such comments? Who does this serve? What will be accomplished?

Much love!

Exactly...why attack the messenger. Why the unbelief? Why the emotional reactions that are so obviously carnal in nature?

 

[marks]

Exactly...why attack the messenger. Why the unbelief? Why the emotional reactions that are so obviously carnal in nature?

Why the completely non-sequitor questions?

I'm talking about your behavior, and it's implications. Do you ever go back and read your own posts? Can you be honest about your manner of addressing others?

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Why the completely non-sequitor questions?

I'm talking about your behavior, and it's implications. Do you ever go back and read your own posts? Can you be honest about your manner of addressing others?

Much love!

here is the manner of things. I point out the truth. I get attacked for it. Ganged up on by the carnal majority. And then I'm supposed to NOT speak the truth...to not prophesy the truth...but rather to speak the appropriate lies and fairy tales that the carnal ones have grown accustomed to by those who have raised up teachers that tickle the ears.

Anything else is seen as off script.

 

[marks]

here is the manner of things. I point out the truth. I get attacked for it. Ganged up on by the carnal majority. And then I'm supposed to NOT speak the truth...to not prophesy the truth...but rather to speak the appropriate lies and fairy tales that the carnal ones have grown accustomed to by those who have raised up teachers that tickle the ears.

Anything else is seen as off script.

You post your views. Others post their disagreement. You post your personal negative comments about others. Others become defensive. You continue to post your negative comments about others. And the cycle becomes established, time after time. That's the script. Thread after thread after thread. It seems that you want it this way. Or perhaps you simply can't help repeating the pattern.

Much love!

 

[marks]

James 3:5-13 KJV
5) Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6) And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
7) For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
8) But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10) Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12) Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You post your views. Others post their disagreement. You post your personal negative comments about others. Others become defensive. You continue to post your negative comments about others. And the cycle becomes established, time after time. That's the script. Thread after thread after thread. It seems that you want it this way. Or perhaps you simply can't help repeating the pattern.

Much love!

Actually it has been that way in many chat rooms all over the internet..

one after another..

He has seemed to be here the longest however. At least from what I have seen..

 

[Cassandra]

I am judged for NOT judging those that are outside the church. We ARE called to judge those who are within...especially those who judge others because of a religious bent. But only God can judge people that are not found within the faith.

So you are typically misinformed and knee jerk reacting here.

People outside the church have not made a commitment to Christ. We can't expect them to be judged by the same standard as those who have publicly claimed allegiance to Christ. Those who are not against us are for us.

Oh would you stop it? For being christian, you are so condescending and arrogant in your posts. It's not a knee jerk reaction. It's just watching you tell folks that you know what is right , but they don't.
I'm just making an observation-- from what I've read.

 

[Episkopos]

Oh would you stop it? For being christian, you are so condescending and arrogant in your posts. It's not a knee jerk reaction. It's just watching you tell folks that you know what is right , but they don't.
I'm just making an observation-- from what I've read.

More of the same. At least you're consistent! :)

 

[Lizbeth]

Again...the irony. So many modern type believers justify themselves based on a religious belief that is really just a conflict of interest....the flesh looking for a way to "get saved." Those who seek to save their life will lose it. The righteous don't think they are righteous...only the self-righteous think that way. The humble don't think they are humble. same idea.

The bible doesn't say..."And Abraham believed God and he counted to himself for righteousness" (that's what many here have done). Likewise the Publican didn't go home thinking he was righteous. If people had a little more understanding of these things....

It's true there is often self-righteousness in the camp. That is due to the flesh, walking in the flesh, and can be due to spiritual immaturity. If that can be true of the saved, how much more the un-saved who don't know anything but the flesh? I guess it takes discernment to perceive the self-righteousness that is walked in by the unbelieving world, which deceives them and causes them to stumble and err. We can see it manifesting as "virtue-signalling" in our time and even many unbelievers can see that it is is not of God. And it is spreading to the churches....that spirit of the world has been invading the churches, sadly. I sometimes call it a kumbiyah spirit, because it's been around since at least since the charismatic movement back in the day, ensnaring especially the young and idealistic who want to believe in the "inherent goodness of man". I remember those days and it can be perceived in hindsight. There is a difference between the so-called righteousness of man and the righteousness of Christ. We need to accept what the bible says about fallen man and seek God for the understanding. It's for that reason God sent us a Saviour in the first place, because mankind needs Him in order to be saved, not because we don't. And scripture is clear that there is salvation in no other name under heaven.

 

[amigo de christo]

It's true there is often self-righteousness in the camp. That is due to the flesh, walking in the flesh, and can be due to spiritual immaturity. If that can be true of the saved, how much more the un-saved who don't know anything but the flesh? I guess it takes discernment to perceive the self-righteousness that is walked in by the unbelieving world, which deceives them and causes them to stumble and err. We can see it manifesting as "virtue-signalling" in our time and even many unbelievers can see that it is is not of God. And it is spreading to the churches....that spirit of the world has been invading the churches, sadly. I sometimes call it a kumbiyah spirit, because it's been around since at least since the charismatic movement back in the day, ensnaring especially the young and idealistic who want to believe in the "inherent goodness of man". I remember those days and it can be perceived in hindsight. There is a difference between the so-called righteousness of man and the righteousness of Christ. We need to accept what the bible says about fallen man and seek God for the understanding. It's for that reason God sent us a Saviour in the first place, because mankind needs Him in order to be saved, not because we don't. And scripture is clear that there is salvation in no other name under heaven.

Wonderful reminder dear sister .
And now that kumbiyah spirit has a huge religion formed . Where everyone totes the goodness of humanity .
Fast forgetting what the original true and holy scrips say about man .
Man is evil from his youth and up . Fallen man NEEDS and is in dire need of RISEN SAVOIR , CHRIST JESUS .
And HE alone will be pointed too on our watch . All His teachings all pure and lovely reminders of the truth .
FALLEN MAN needs RISEN SAVOIR . HE who never fell , never sinned , but overcame
and fullilled that which fallen man could not .
Due to man , DEATH came upon all and all continue to walk in death for all have sinned .
There is but one way out . JESUS CHRIST . BELIEVE YE IN HIM and let us learn of HIM and grow in grace .
Mankind NEEDS TO BELIEVE IN CHRIST JESUS . All else , as you know , IS the sand which sinketh and taketh
all down into the ground with it . Keep pointing to CHRIST dear sister . Keep reminding of our dire necessity
to beleive on HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

You post your views. Others post their disagreement. You post your personal negative comments about others. Others become defensive. You continue to post your negative comments about others. And the cycle becomes established, time after time. That's the script. Thread after thread after thread. It seems that you want it this way. Or perhaps you simply can't help repeating the pattern.

Much love!

Mark , my friend , if many had a tenth of the zeal for actually preaching JESUS CHRIST
and biblical truth , as do those under the influence of this other go spell , my how the true gospel could have been spread so fast .
These under this other spell have a zeal for their mission that surpasses even that of a
new apointed mormon on his bicycle whose desire is to one day run the entire MORMON religion .
But to be zealously affected in a bad thing is not good .
Our zeal must be for JESUS CHRIST , for that one true gospel , for all things he did teach n say .
Loving and embracing all things written .
Its time the lambs get zealously affected again in the one true gospel and get busy on the move .
While , yes i said while , THERE IS STILL time to do so .
Cause while the many do all to attain unto world peace n safety in this world
ITS NOT GONNA Bode well on the DAY of the LORD .
Our peace , our mission , IS to point to Christ till the last breath . Hit the trenches
cause this other fast unifying religoin is taking no time off captivating houses and churches , govts and kingdoms
So we take no time off pointing to CHRIST JESUS and doing all things HE instructed and later the apostels , BY THE SPIRIT
instructed .

 

[amigo de christo]

More of the same. At least you're consistent! :)

When o when dear epi , are you gonna learn that all them other religoins as well as any other who believes not IN CHRIST
wont be picking up any crosses .
You preach a crossless Christ . Time to preach HE who was CRUCIFIED on that cross .
THE DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON HIM .
Cause without faith IN CHRIST , they pick up only grains of sand and call it a cross .
Ye cannot pick up your cross if ONE believeth NOT in HE WHO was CRUCIFIED ON IT .
FIgure it out epi . Inclusivism preached a fat lie into the churches .

 

[Episkopos]

It's true there is often self-righteousness in the camp. That is due to the flesh, walking in the flesh, and can be due to spiritual immaturity. If that can be true of the saved, how much more the un-saved who don't know anything but the flesh?

Why do you always want to compare yourself with those who are not held to the same standard? If you were in an army boot camp and under orders to do something difficult...and always compared yourself to civilians and what they did...I would surmise you want OUT of the army. If you constantly harped on how bad non-musicians are at playing piano, I would think you hate to practice. You need to consider what it is you really want. If you really want to progress...look to those who are further than you...not behind you.

I guess it takes discernment to perceive the self-righteousness that is walked in by the unbelieving world, which deceives them and causes them to stumble and err.

Here again. This should not concern you. The self-righteousness of the church should keep you up at night in prayer....and look to yourself in this...how you see yourself. Compare yourself to Christ.

We can see it manifesting as "virtue-signalling" in our time and even many unbelievers can see that it is is not of God.

This is better. :)

And it is spreading to the churches....that spirit of the world has been invading the churches, sadly.

Our apostasy to holiness is mirrored by a decline in righteousness in the world. The church is responsible for this decline. So it begins with us. You are seeing it from a outward sinfulness rather than on a spiritual blindness level.

I sometimes call it a kumbiyah spirit, because it's been around since at least since the charismatic movement back in the day, ensnaring especially the young and idealistic who want to believe in the "inherent goodness of man".

I see the same thing among the "saved"....who have received a religious spirit based on what Jesus did for the whole world. Many claim an exclusivity to that sacrifice. (Of course my "inclusivism is seen as something wrong...as if God was LESS merciful than we are.) All symptons of very bad doctrine.

I remember those days and it can be perceived in hindsight. There is a difference between the so-called righteousness of man and the righteousness of Christ.

So called by God. You need a better grounding in the word of God before calling down righteousness. You badly need instruction in righteousness. Rather than putting down the world...you need to lift Jesus higher.

We need to accept what the bible says about fallen man and seek God for the understanding.

Yes...first in ourselves. THEN we can be an example to others. This should be common sense.

It's for that reason God sent us a Saviour in the first place, because mankind needs Him in order to be saved, not because we don't.

Not just saved....but transformed into His people. What's the point in being saved if we are to be living examples of shame?

And scripture is clear that there is salvation in no other name under heaven.

That's true. But that name is Jesus Christ. He decides. I see no scriptural evidence that half-baked religious people have any say in that. ;)

 

[Lizbeth]

Why do you always want to compare yourself with those who are not held to the same standard? If you were in an army boot camp and under orders to do something difficult...and always compared yourself to civilians and what they did...I would surmise you want OUT of the army. If you constantly harped on how bad non-musicians are at playing piano, I would think you hate to practice. You need to consider what it is you really want. If you really want to progress...look to those who are further than you...not behind you.


Here again. This should not concern you. The self-righteousness of the church should keep you up at night in prayer....and look to yourself in this...how you see yourself. Compare yourself to Christ.


This is better. :)


Our apostasy to holiness is mirrored by a decline in righteousness in the world. The church is responsible for this decline. So it begins with us. You are seeing it from a outward sinfulness rather than on a spiritual blindness level.


I see the same thing among the "saved"....who have received a religious spirit based on what Jesus did for the whole world. Many claim an exclusivity to that sacrifice. (Of course my "inclusivism is seen as something wrong...as if God was LESS merciful than we are.) All symptons of very bad doctrine.


So called by God. You need a better grounding in the word of God before calling down righteousness. You badly need instruction in righteousness. Rather than putting down the world...you need to lift Jesus higher.


Yes...first in ourselves. THEN we can be an example to others. This should be common sense.


Not just saved....but transformed into His people. What the point in being saved if we are to be living examples of shame?

That's true. But that name is Jesus Christ. He decides. I see no scriptural evidence that half-baked religious people have any say in that. ;)

Do you understand it was Abraham's FAITH that was counted to him for righteousness? Not his works, not his righteousness that was counted. His works wrought with his FAITH. Understand that he worked righteousness because of his faith, because he believed God - not apart from faith. Same with all the OT saints who were commended by the Lord.

I'm not "putting the world down", I'm talking to those in the CHURCH, who name the name of Christ, who believe anyone can be saved by their own righteousness. God's word, not mine. Trying to show them their error in this.

 

[Lizbeth]

Anyone who feels led to, may I ask that you please pray for my father's salvation - he's 95 and in hospital right now facing very risky surgery. Thanks and bless you in advance.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Anyone who feels led to, may I ask that you please pray for my father's salvation - he's 95 and in hospital right now facing very risky surgery. Thanks and bless you in advance.

Praying

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you understand it was Abraham's FAITH that was counted to him for righteousness? Not his works, not his righteousness that was counted. His works wrought with his FAITH. Understand that he worked righteousness because of his faith, because he believed God - not apart from faith. Same with all the OT saints who were commended by the Lord.

I'm not "putting the world down", I'm talking to those in the CHURCH, who name the name of Christ, who believe anyone can be saved by their own righteousness. God's word, not mine. Trying to show them their error in this.

Amen

God said we would be saved by having abrahams faith.

not because of works.. but by his mercy.

 

[GTW27]

Anyone who feels led to, may I ask that you please pray for my father's salvation - he's 95 and in hospital right now facing very risky surgery. Thanks and bless you in advance.

Blessings in Christ Jesus Lizbeth! I pray in agreement with you, and others for your fathers salvation. I drove the miles when I knew it was my fathers time(as per The Lord) and in the hospital my dad pushed me away when he knew what was coming next. I pray this does not happen to you. I have heard The Holy Spirit speak through you my sister in Christ Jesus. So be encouraged when you visit your father.