What is New Testament Holiness?

[amigo de christo]

its odd he would mock that you believe what the bible says.

Just goes to show what we all have been saying

He slips . I have watched he who cometh in the name of THE OVERSEER .
And he slips . They have an agenda . The DIRE NEED to BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST , IS IN THE WAY
of their agenda . But we GONNA CONTINUE to remind all about the dire need to BELIEVE ON CHRIST
being hearers and doers of the glorious word . ITS A WAR my friend
and the agenda of men gone wrong aims to Unify the souls under a lost cause that will not and cannot save them .
A CHRISTLESS cross is all they can preach . FOR HE who was crucified on it
they will not POINT TO . They preach a CHRISTELESS ressurection
For they believe one does not have to beleive in CHRIST , in order to pick up the cross
or to walk in newness of life .
You may ask him . Go ahead ask the overseer who cometh In anothers name .
ASK him if their are not buddists , muslims , atheiest at work WHOM we know they dont BELIEVE IN CHRIST
yet they say , OH so long as they are doing good works , believing them to be carrying their own cross .
THESE PEOPLE believe GOD is at work in all the religoins. Its why all they do is basically
teach aspects about the CROSS , aspects about the RESSURECTION
and teach this as though someone you can TEACH the unbeliever the concepts about GOD
and yet they DONT TEACH THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
IN other words , INCLUSVISM is , MANS WAY TO GOD , HIS OWN IDEALS
NOT The things of GOD . Only aspects , ideals .
But IF JESUS SAID IT , LAMBS BELIEVE IT . inclusivism says OTHERWISE . OH they shall not perish
just do good . IT wont bode well on the day of the LORD .

 

[MatthewG]

Hello to anyone who many read,

What is new testament holiness?

It's personal sanctification of an old life into a new one.

Picking up your cross,
Dying with Christ,
Being buried with Christ,
Raising to newness of life in Christ.

All new born again Christians are babes in Christ, and as they go through life they can become a son or daughter of God - for those who walk by the spirit.

Both do struggle between the flesh and spirit.

Very subjective and only able to boast in the Lord and what he has done, and what Yahava has accomplished by you allow them to work in your life.

That comes with a day to day choice and also knowing who God was, and who God sent, if you so desire.

 

[amigo de christo]

Praying

To the trenches dear sister . The LORD is our hope , HE IS OUR SALVATION

 

[amigo de christo]

Hello to anyone who many read,

What is new testament holiness?

It's personal sanctification of an old life into a new one.

Picking up your cross,
Dying with Christ,
Being buried with Christ,
Raising to newness of life in Christ.

All new born again Christians are babes in Christ, and as they go through life they can become a son or daughter of God - for those who walk by the spirit.

Both do struggle between the flesh and spirit.

Very subjective and only able to boast in the Lord and what he has done, and what Yahava has accomplished by you allow them to work in your life.

That comes with a day to day choice and also knowing who God was, and who God sent, if you so desire.

But if one believes not that JESUS is the CHRIST , well its all vain my friend .
ALL vain and wont save a soul .
NOW for BELIEVERS , i repeat FOR BELIEVERS IN JESUS CHRIST , the four points are true and this by grace is what we do .
BUT if a man cometh and tries to teach picking up the cross
dying with Christ
being buried with CHRIST
Raising to newness in life in CHRIST
but teaches one does not need to BELIEVE IN JESUS AS THE CHRIST . ITS ALL A VAIN SHOW .
ITS an AGENDA . to simply unify the religions to be as one under a works and self righteous LIE from HELL .
Yeah , i am very direct when i see folks and specially when i see folks TRYING TO SLIP In the idea
THAT others dont even have to BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST . I EXPOSE THAT SHAM of SHAME .

 

[amigo de christo]

There is your problem - you need spiritual ears to hear what the spirit is saying. God's ways are higher than man's. His goodness is higher than man's, and that is what Jesus was talking about to the Jews who thought they could be worthy and accepted for their own goodness/righteousness. When Jesus came He raised the bar so to speak. If you even look at a woman to lust you have committed adultery with her......higher standard there. It was time for the "children" being tutored under the Law to graduate and grow up spiritually, so to speak, through a new covenant, when He came.

All humanity fails to make the grade (falls short of the glory) apart from Christ, having His Spirit, His goodness within. There is no being reconciled to God without Jesus, and being reconciled to God is the essence of salvation. How can anyone be saved apart from being reconciled to God? Our sins separated us from God and there is nobody who is without sin - and only through Christ is anyone forgiven of their sins and reconciled and joined back to Him. That's what the bible teaches.

IF you examine what it is they are really trying to do
Its just another SELF RIGHTEOUS path to GOD to create unity amongst all religoins .
GO ahead , ask EPI what he believes . They teach certain points of TRUTH
YET OMIT THE VERY TRUTH from the equation .
THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST , well that is NOT NECESSARY TO THEM .
Rather they try and teach us about THE CROSS , about DYING TO SELF
about ressurected life , YET OMIT THE DIRE NEED TOO BELIEVE ON HE WHO GIVETH SUCH LIFE .
I expose them all .
They , epi and others , make the cliam they are teaching us . BUT ITS THEY WHO DENY THE TEACHER .
JESUS CHRIST , who said what occures to those who BELEIVE and what occures to those who deny him and believe not .
THIS is nothing more than another religoin , another way , another very broad man made , man works way TO GOD .
ITS A LIE . And you know me sister . I aint no hyper grace false one .
These people are and will meet as one and as one under a lie , a lie which by no means will save them .
THEY claim to preach JESUS CHRIST , HIS CROSS , His ressurection , YET DENY THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM
SO , ITS ALL VAIN . The oveseer who cometh in the name of humanity , WONT BE HEEDED . JESUS WILL BE HEEDED .

 

[Lizbeth]

How is your dad doing?

Brain damage and failing kidneys. Taking him off life support today, as he would have wanted. But I am at peace with it, in so many ways I realized it is God's perfect timing and a mercy. Thank you all so much for praying.

 

[Lizbeth]

IF you examine what it is they are really trying to do
Its just another SELF RIGHTEOUS path to GOD to create unity amongst all religoins .
GO ahead , ask EPI what he believes . They teach certain points of TRUTH
YET OMIT THE VERY TRUTH from the equation .
THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST , well that is NOT NECESSARY TO THEM .
Rather they try and teach us about THE CROSS , about DYING TO SELF
about ressurected life , YET OMIT THE DIRE NEED TOO BELIEVE ON HE WHO GIVETH SUCH LIFE .
I expose them all .
They , epi and others , make the cliam they are teaching us . BUT ITS THEY WHO DENY THE TEACHER .
JESUS CHRIST , who said what occures to those who BELEIVE and what occures to those who deny him and believe not .
THIS is nothing more than another religoin , another way , another very broad man made , man works way TO GOD .
ITS A LIE . And you know me sister . I aint no hyper grace false one .
These people are and will meet as one and as one under a lie , a lie which by no means will save them .
THEY claim to preach JESUS CHRIST , HIS CROSS , His ressurection , YET DENY THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM
SO , ITS ALL VAIN . The oveseer who cometh in the name of humanity , WONT BE HEEDED . JESUS WILL BE HEEDED .

Many are turning the gospel and offense of the cross into a non-offensive man-pleasing philosophy. But the gospel offends, because it is meant to....it confronts and upsets powers and principalities in high places. And Jesus Himself said no man can come to the Father but by Him. And that message is clearly seen in the account of what happened in Noah's day. One needs to get on board that Ark to be saved.

 

[Episkopos]

IF you examine what it is they are really trying to do
Its just another SELF RIGHTEOUS path to GOD to create unity amongst all religoins .
GO ahead , ask EPI what he believes . They teach certain points of TRUTH
YET OMIT THE VERY TRUTH from the equation .
THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST , well that is NOT NECESSARY TO THEM .
Rather they try and teach us about THE CROSS , about DYING TO SELF
about ressurected life , YET OMIT THE DIRE NEED TOO BELIEVE ON HE WHO GIVETH SUCH LIFE .
I expose them all .
They , epi and others , make the cliam they are teaching us . BUT ITS THEY WHO DENY THE TEACHER .
JESUS CHRIST , who said what occures to those who BELEIVE and what occures to those who deny him and believe not .
THIS is nothing more than another religoin , another way , another very broad man made , man works way TO GOD .
ITS A LIE . And you know me sister . I aint no hyper grace false one .
These people are and will meet as one and as one under a lie , a lie which by no means will save them .
THEY claim to preach JESUS CHRIST , HIS CROSS , His ressurection , YET DENY THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM
SO , ITS ALL VAIN . The oveseer who cometh in the name of humanity , WONT BE HEEDED . JESUS WILL BE HEEDED .

A dogmatic religion gives us something we MUST believe about God....get His name right...line up certain religious beliefs...as if God was so capricious that unless we had our beliefs right or say His name correctly, we incur His wrath.

This is on the level of superstition....not faith.

As if God was Rumpelstiltskin who threw a hizzy fit unless we did everything just so. As we think so our imaginary God appears to us. It is the religious ideologues that throw the hizzy fits when anyone's beliefs don't line up with their own.

No, these people refuse to believe God ....and resist, knowledge, wisdom and understanding. They are truly darkened in their understanding.

Christianity should not be approached in a religious or superstitious way.

God is looking for people who love Him. You want to FORCE people to love God OR ELSE????For that silly dogma Christianity is mocked in the world. It is false caricature of God.

Look at how God is good to all people...giving us air to fill our lungs and so much more. Is God capricious with His air...His sunlight?

God attracts people to Himself by His goodness. He is severe on those who give God a bad name...namely the kind of religious ideologues that twist God's words to justify their own uncrucified selves.

God's enemies will always claim to know Him, to love Him. The lack of knowledge causes these to perish...there will be a great surprise for those who take on God's "defense" while smearing His name.

 

[amigo de christo]

A dogmatic religion gives us something we MUST believe about God....get His name right...line up certain religious beliefs...as if God was so capricious that unless we had our beliefs right or say His name correctly, we incur His wrath.

This is on the level of superstition....not faith.

As if God was Rumpelstiltskin who threw a hizzy fit unless we did everything just so. As we think so our imaginary God appears to us. It is the religious ideologues that throw the hizzy fits when anyone's beliefs don't line up with their own.

No, these people refuse to believe God ....and resist, knowledge, wisdom and understanding. They are truly darkened in their understanding.

Christianity should not be approached in a religious or superstitious way.

God is looking for people who love Him. You want to FORCE people to love God OR ELSE????For that silly dogma Christianity is mocked in the world. It is false caricature of God.

Look at how God is good to all people...giving us air to fill our lungs and so much more. Is God capricious with His air...His sunlight?

God attracts people to Himself by His goodness. He is severe on those who give God a bad name...namely the kind of religious ideologues that twist God's words to justify their own uncrucified selves.

God's enemies will always claim to know Him, to love Him. The lack of knowledge causes these to perish...there will be a great surprise for those who take on God's "defense" while smearing His name.

Just like you refuse to BELIEVE GOD .
If JESUS said it GOD said it . TRY believing it for a change .
You just keep pumping emotionalism and humanistic understanding .

 

[amigo de christo]

Many are turning the gospel and offense of the cross into a non-offensive man-pleasing philosophy. But the gospel offends, because it is meant to....it confronts and upsets powers and principalities in high places. And Jesus Himself said no man can come to the Father but by Him. And that message is clearly seen in the account of what happened in Noah's day. One needs to get on board that Ark to be saved.

Many dont BELIEVE GOD . oh they claim too and they claim to know his love .
But humanstic reasonings and gospels of men wont save any .
The biggest thing under attack is fast becoming the dire need to EVEN HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS in the FIRST PLACE .
and epi is a leader of it . He aint alone either .
THEY accuse us of being legalistic , But it aint us trodding JESUS under foot with some other path of SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS .
Its them who do such a thing .

 

[Episkopos]

Many are turning the gospel and offense of the cross into a non-offensive man-pleasing philosophy. But the gospel offends, because it is meant to....it confronts and upsets powers and principalities in high places. And Jesus Himself said no man can come to the Father but by Him. And that message is clearly seen in the account of what happened in Noah's day. One needs to get on board that Ark to be saved.

It is modern believers who are offended by the cross. They want their own lives AND eternal life.

You have only a superficial name it claim it religion that has no power.

 

[amigo de christo]

It is modern believers who are offended by the cross. They want their own lives AND eternal life.

You have only a superficial name it claim it religion that has no power.

Yeah , she dont sit under the blab it and grab it camp. And we sure as heck dont sit under you alls camp either .
Time to open bibles AGAIN .

 

[Episkopos]

Yeah , she dont sit under the blab it and grab it camp. And we sure as heck dont sit under you alls camp either .
Time to open bibles AGAIN .

Sure...ok

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


24 Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

 

[mailmandan]

Many are turning the gospel and offense of the cross into a non-offensive man-pleasing philosophy. But the gospel offends, because it is meant to....it confronts and upsets powers and principalities in high places. And Jesus Himself said no man can come to the Father but by Him. And that message is clearly seen in the account of what happened in Noah's day. One needs to get on board that Ark to be saved.

Amen! 1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[amigo de christo]

Sure...ok

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?


23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


24 Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

So cease with the idea folks dont even have to BELIEVE on CHRIST .
Cause that aint the work of the HOLY GHOST .
He would convict folks of sin . OF SIN , because THEY BELIEVE NOT ON ME .
Yeah epi , you can teach aspects about doing good , the cross and etc all day ,
BUT it wont do any good when YOU DENY the fact folks must FIRST BELIEVE in THE CHRIST OF GOD CHRIST JESUS .
It would be like telling a horse all day about how to drink water
and then bringing it to an empty trough . Its vain epi . Its all vain .
And its time to cease that work that saveth none . Preach the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS
FIRST and FOREMOST , cause UNBELIEF , IS SIN EPI .
And it will save none .
The way you imply things is like a man
that preaches aspects about a horse and carriage .
He can tell you about the wheels , the carriage , bout a horse
but his application ends up being
the wheels on his own back , the horse in the cart and the man trying to PULLL the cart .
WITHOUT FAITH IN JESUS EPI , ITS NOT GONNA WORK at all .
But you OMIT the DIRE NEED TO EVEN have to believe on him
and try and teach folks to put the wheels on their back and pull the horse in the cart . AND IT aint gonna work epi .
GOTTA put the HORSE FIRST and you get in the cart and let the HORSE LEAD .

 

[Episkopos]

Amen! 1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Paul's preaching of the cross has to do with being crucified with Christ...being dead in Him (for real) and walking in resurrection life...walking in the same power over sin that Jesus walked in. Your idea of the cross is that Jesus died for you so you don't have to give up your life. You can walk in your own power...sin all day...and just point to Christ thinking your guilt is wiped away by your religious bent. That God is somehow SO flattered that you use Him as a cosmic Genie that He serves you and cleans up after you like a cosmic janitor. You are diametrically opposed to Paul and His gospel. But you don't see that, of course.

Paul's glorying in the cross is in what he lost in order to win Christ. This idea is WAAYYYY too deep for dogmatic believers like yourself.

There is a gospel of holiness..like Pauls. And a gospel of UNholiness...like Luther preached.

 

[mailmandan]

Sure...ok

Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever hears these sayings of mine, and does them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and not in Christ alone. Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved (vs. 23) so they were not genuine believers. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ - Romans 3:24-28; Philippians 3:9) was still stained with sin. Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. (John 6:40)

As we read on in Matthew 7:24-27, we find two different foundations with two different results, and not salvation by works, as some would suppose. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock, and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the sand and it collapses.

Those deceived by their own self-righteousness in Matthew 7:22-23 were "outwardly" doing all the things that the righteous would do yet they did not truly know Christ (had no personal relationship with Christ) which stemmed from not truly believing in Him. The rock the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

*Only those who truly believe in Him are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. *The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.

 

[Episkopos]

These many people in Matthew 7:22 had the wrong foundation. They were trusting in their works to save them and not in Christ alone. Jesus never knew them which means they were never saved (vs. 23) so they were not genuine believers. Their hearts were not right with God, so their "attempted external obedience" (apart from the righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ - Romans 3:24-28; Philippians 3:9) was still stained with sin. Seeking salvation by works is not the will of the Father. (John 6:40)

As we read on in Matthew 7:24-27, we find two different foundations with two different results, and not salvation by works, as some would suppose. Each house has a different material upon which its foundation is laid, and each house has a different final outcome. One house is built by a wise man upon a rock, and it stands. The other is built by a foolish man upon the sand and it collapses.

Those deceived by their own self-righteousness in Matthew 7:22-23 were "outwardly" doing all the things that the righteous would do yet they did not truly know Christ (had no personal relationship with Christ) which stemmed from not truly believing in Him. The rock the wise man builds upon is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand the foolish man builds upon is self-righteousness.

*Only those who truly believe in Him are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. *The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.

These are foolish words. The righteous are doers of the word not hearers only. Jesus says to DO what He says....build on the rock. Your twisting of the words of God makes this a lie. You prefer..the righteous don't DO the word...they just hear it...that's enough....any effort to obey is wrong. So you are an enemy of righteousness AND the cross.

Learn reading skills...the rock that Jesus refers to is "DOING"..."OBEYING" His words. Read again.

Do you deny.... If you love Me obey My commandments. (You continue to misrepresent Jesus..is this a hobby for you?).

 

[mailmandan]

Paul's preaching of the cross has to do with being crucified with Christ...being dead in Him (for real) and walking in resurrection life...walking in the same power over sin that Jesus walked in. Your idea of the cross is that Jesus died for you so you don't have to give up your life. You can walk in your own power...sin all day...and just point to Christ thinking your guilt is wiped away by your religious bent. That God is somehow SO flattered that you use Him as a cosmic Genie that He serves you and cleans up after you like a cosmic janitor. You are diametrically opposed to Paul and His gospel. But you don't see that, of course.

Paul's glorying in the cross is in what he lost in order to win Christ. This idea is WAAYYYY too deep for dogmatic believers like yourself.

There is a gospel of holiness..like Pauls. And a gospel of UNholiness...like Luther preached.

You remind me of the Pharisee in the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector in Luke 18:9-14. You glory in self rather than the cross.

In Philippians 3:8-9, we read - Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

All you do is talk about walking in power over sin as if you live a sinless, perfect life 100% of the time (exactly as Jesus lived) then you look down your nose at the rest of us who understand otherwise. (1 John 1:8-10)

It's actually you who is diametrically opposed to Paul and his gospel. The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation, which you obviously don't. Instead, you trust in SELF.

The apostle Paul warned us about people like you in Acts 20:28-31. Your "holier than thou" gospel is no gospel at all.

 

[Lizbeth]

Amen! 1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.