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Jack

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Every Bible? Which "bibles" are you citing here Jack my friend?
I don't know of any Bible that agrees with you.
As well, the argument you mention is essentially a null statement. I could say the same thing "Do you really think that someone must believe that God will save all people in order for God to save all people"
Luke 13
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
Truly, I used to be a Christian Infernalist as well, I believed what you believed Jack. So I say this with kindness. Even if I had continued to promote Christian Infernalism, Christian Universalism would continue to remain true. God bless :D
You've been duped by Satan. You should have heeded God's warnings!

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,



Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
 

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In what way do I lead people to Hell my friend? I tell people they must believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, that's fact.
And what if they don't?

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!
If by Hell you mean Sheol/Hades, then people who don't believe, that's their choice for them to die with sins and go to the realm of the dead. Yet, eventually they will believe in Jesus Christ to be saved.

If by "Hell" you mean the Lake of Fire, then certainly, people will be refined by the furnace of affliction Isaiah 48:10 in order to be convinced to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved.

Christian Universalism is an eventuality. Everyone must become a believer in Jesus Christ to gain permanent life. Yet, with eternal concious torture, where people are still alive being tortured forever, you Jack my friend, have somehow granted people a permanent life even though they do not believe in Jesus Christ! Now that goes against scripture.

Eternal concious torture contradicts scripture, because it grants eternal life to people even though they do not believe in Jesus Christ!

John 14:6 ESVJesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
If you're wrong you're in danger of Hell. If I'm wrong I can't lose.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'
 

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Within Luke 13:24, indeed, it mentions that there are those who will not be able to enter the narrow gate, yet, for how long will they not able to? This verse refers to how many people will believe in Jesus Christ while they are still alive. Many people will die unsaved, without belief in Jesus Christ. But for how long will they remain unsaved? Certainly, after they die, they still have the chance to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, my friend :D

1 Timothy 4 does nothing to promote either Infernalism nor Christian Universalism, Jack my friend. Another null statement that does not contribute to any side. God bless :)
See above
 

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Yet another email from a different Canadian government worker today. To my sister, it says “You will be supervised by trusted government staff” (copy-pasted quote). My day job is also related to the Government of Canada.



If my family and I are tortured and killed by the murderous group I will namedrop in 2 days, so be it. This is information that I have not seen posted anywhere else, so I might be the first to leak this.



Because I promote Christianity with my handwritten Bible verses, my mother today physically calls me weird, an embarrassment and a disgrace to the family. She says I am like the evil Putin, a robot like ChatGPT with no feelings, no emotions, who does not understand and am being manipulated and possessed by the Devil. She says I will lose my job, get a new job, lose that one too, and keep repeating this process until I am living on the streets. So, I tell her that I love and care for her. I bless her.



Why? Because my mother worries our family will be killed by the evil international organization that I will namedrop in 2 days. That evil group has collaborations with the government and police force.



My mother says that if my sister is tortured (sin of violence Psalm 11:5) and murdered Exodus 20:13 that her blood will be on my hands and that I may feel guilty and kill myself so we’re both dead. I will miss the happy days of watching anime and playing video games with them… But truly I tell you, there will be a time where those happy days will never end as all will eventually believe in Christ and thus be saved and go to Heaven.



``` 1 Peter 3:17 ESV For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God's will, than for doing evil. ```



Why do I risk my life? My mother tells me we’re all going to die soon anyways. Climate change, world war, biodiversity loss, civil conflict, famine, etc. It’s like we are on the sinking ship of the Titanic and I’m mopping the floors. But this is precisely the reason why I’m so motivated, because soon all of our suffering will end! :D
 

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And what if they don't?

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

If you're wrong you're in danger of Hell. If I'm wrong I can't lose.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'
Hi Jack,

If I'm wrong I'm in danger of Hell? "Christian Universalism" I do not see as a salvation issue. It is 100% mandatory for a person to believe in Christ to be saved. Those who do not believe will continue to suffer due to sin until they do believe. Like I mentioned before, "everlasting" and "forever and ever" go back to aion, meaning age, a limited time span.

If I was teaching like... Unitarian Universalism, which falsely states that people can believe in whatever they want, then yeah, that would be a risk. But merely teaching the eventuality of Christ's salvation? I don't see the "Hell" danger here personally. God bless
 

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Hi Jack,

If I'm wrong I'm in danger of Hell? "Christian Universalism" I do not see as a salvation issue. It is 100% mandatory for a person to believe in Christ to be saved. Those who do not believe will continue to suffer due to sin until they do believe. Like I mentioned before, "everlasting" and "forever and ever" go back to aion, meaning age, a limited time span.

If I was teaching like... Unitarian Universalism, which falsely states that people can believe in whatever they want, then yeah, that would be a risk. But merely teaching the eventuality of Christ's salvation? I don't see the "Hell" danger here personally. God bless
Yeah Harold. Bible choppers are definitely heading for Hell.
 

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Thus, Christian Universalism is true, as all murderers like Cain, all sinners, will eventually believe in the LORD God Jesus and be saved.
"It's one thing to not know for sure about the eternal Hell fire clearly defined in the Christian Bible. Some new Christians don't know for sure. It's quite another to insist on removing it from the Bible because you don't like it. The consequences can be eternally DEADLY!

Revelation 22
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation 20
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

Either you or Jesus is lying. You're trying to lead people to Hell.

Matthew 25

41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'
 
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Yer, everyone gets to enter the Great White Throne Room in Heaven, where the judgement of each individual takes place, but there everyone is separated out into the righteous and the unrighteous. The righteous are then invited to enter further into the heavenlies and the refurbished earth, but the unrighteous are shown the door so to speak which leads them to the Lake of Fire, which is the second death never to escape their unrighteous destiny.

Oh well, we can all live in hope that we will be given a second chance, but we all had our chance to make the right choice as to who our master would be, before we got to the GWTR.
 
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You didn't heed God's warning Harold.

"Do not be deceived"!

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
 

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```Psalm 90:10 NIV

Our days may come to seventy years,

or eighty, if our strength endures;

yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,

for they quickly pass, and we fly away. ```



The decision to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved… I have empathy to the agnostics and skeptics; how can one choose quickly? All shall eventually choose to believe in Jesus Christ and be saved, but it will take time. Time to decide, yes, even after death.



We spend most of our waking lives working with little time to ponder the deeper meanings of life. With a retirement age of 65, after that, are we left with 5 years? Let’s not forget Time Dilation. 1 year = 100% of a 1-year-old’s life. 1 year = 50% of a 2-year-old’s life. Time relatively moves faster as you age. And what about those who spend their days merely fighting to survive?



My mother’s childhood in the Philippines was spent living in fear due to the violent Iglesia Ni Cristo. Her brother is a well-known INC member and would frequently get into street brawls. The INC taught the martial art called “Eagle”.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exIglesiaNiCristo/comments/12d2m7c


Out of revenge, these people wanted to kill her brother and his family. Rats would crawl around their hours and their buckets caught water leaking from the roof. Her family, them being members of the INC, would take shifts in the night, looking outside for danger. Some may enjoy the beautiful lights of fireworks, but to my mother, they were used as explosive weapons. They were already so poor, why does the INC continue to exploit those trapped in poverty by manipulating them to give more than they can afford?



As spoken by fellow Christian Universalist, mandatory monetary tithing is not biblical! Tithing, The Truth About Tithing And The Tithe



Yet interestingly, the INC does not have 10% tithing. Why? Because they ask for much much more then merely 10% of a person’s income.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exIglesiaNiCristo/comments/11lnj9g


So, I understand those who desire vengeance towards the evil Iglesia Ni Cristo because of how much the INC has taken away from people, but be warned of the sin of unjustified killing, which is murder Exodus 20:13, do not repay evil with evil! 1 Thessalonians 5:15. 1 Peter 3:9. Let us expose their evil to the public. Today, Aug 2 2023, my mother says that me spreading Bible verses is a crime and that my handwritten Bible verses are like garbage that should be thrown up to the mountains for no one to see it. She calls me a disgrace, a satanist and the devil’s convert. She says I’m making destruction of myself and making my life miserable. She says this is a privacy issue and that I will hate myself, but I do not regret leaking this information, this is good. How else can the infernalistic INC be brought to justice? Who else will expose the Iglesia Ni Cristo’s false doctrine of eternal conscious torment?



```Psalm 90:15 NIV Make us glad for as many days as you have afflicted us,
for as many years as we have seen trouble. ```
Don't you know that leading people to Hell will take you with them?
 

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Well I hope they are not teaching them Satan's doctrine of Universalism!
 

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I am against the Universalism where people are saved without belief in Christ, like Unitarian Universalism, Muslim Universalism, Jewish Universalism.

What makes Christian Universalism true is that it requires faith alone in Christ. The Universalism merely speaks of the end result, which God desires, in which all are saved. God bless Jack :D

1 John 2:2 ESVHe is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
You will be held accountable for everyone who spends eternity in Hell because you led them astray.

Revelation 20:15 (ESV)
15 And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 

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Not sure how I'm leading people to "Hell" when I'm telling them to believe in Jesus Christ, the only way to Heaven, to be saved.
In fact, do we, as mere human beings, have the power to lead anybody to

Proverbs 16:9 KJB A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.

Even if ECT were true, I would not be capable of leading people to Hell, it would be the LORD that establishes where they step. So let's see where the LORD wishes to plan OUR course

1 Timothy 2:4 ESV Who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

So this tells us that the LORD is directing all of our steps to reach this destination called "knowledge of the truth"
God isn't directing you to attack our Bible.

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
 

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And therein is where you have been mislead by brother. The Greek scriptures mistranslated a Greek word into "eternal" and that's NOT what it said. Here is the CORRECT translation for the verse you cited:

Matthew 25:41​

Young's Literal Translation​

41 Then shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;
Jerome, who was fluent in 30 Languages, translated from the true Account of Matthew, which was originally in Hebrew, for the Jews only.

We have John, the Beloved's, own Disciples, Polycarp and Papias, and several Church Fathers confirm that Matthew was "originally" written in Hebrew, and then basically, was translated into Greek, [their words] as "best" they could. So, the Greek is very inaccurate.

But, we do have Jerome's Translation of the Hebrew on file.

And the Greek Word YOU claim means, an AGE, is truthfully incorrect.

Matthew, actually wrote: into ETERNAL fire.


If, YOU, have made some decisions based off of thinking the Lake of Fire is just for an AGE, that AGE, will NEVER END!

ENJOY!
 

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Something else,
If the Lake of Fire was Temporary, that means Satan, the Antichrist, False Prophet, the GRAVE, and DEATH will all Resurrect!

To believe that the Lake of Fire is Temporary, is Heresy, at its finest!
 
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Something else,
If the Lake of Fire was Temporary, that means Satan, the Antichrist, False Prophet, the GRAVE, and DEATH will all Resurrect!

To believe that the Lake of Fire is Temporary, is Heresy, at its finest!

Satan is doing exactly what God intended him to do.
 

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Satan is doing exactly what God intended him to do.
Satan, only has a purpose, once it is finished, there's no reason to have him around.
This belief, that the Lake of Fire will end. and that basically it has to release Satan by Reason, is NOWHERE found in Scripture, and is a Heresy to claim.

And if You say, I did not say Satan would be released.
I would say, if all inhabitants of the Lake of Fire are released after an Age, it MUST include Satan and the Fallen Angels/Demons.

Why would God, release them again?

He has no need for them.

What purpose would there be to release Satan from the Lake of Fire after 100,000 years?
 

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Satan, only has a purpose, once it is finished, there's no reason to have him around.
This belief, that the Lake of Fire will end. and that basically it has to release Satan by Reason, is NOWHERE found in Scripture, and is a Heresy to claim.

And if You say, I did not say Satan would be released.
I would say, if all inhabitants of the Lake of Fire are released after an Age, it MUST include Satan and the Fallen Angels/Demons.

Why would God, release them again?

He has no need for them.

What purpose would there be to release Satan from the Lake of Fire after 100,000 years?

Is it your belief that God created Satan in order to use him and then torture him forever?