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[amigo de christo]

Sounds like she simply fears for your safety. Yet, we were promised persecution.
You do what you must do. I think handing out scripture is wonderful!

The only advice i can give is folks better be preaching JESUS CHRIST and all things HE did say and teach .
Cause being i KNOW WHOM HE IS , IF ONE DENIES HIM , JESUS , they deny HE WHO SENT HIM .
And i also know something else . And you know this too dear sister .
GOD cannot lie . Thus CHRIST cannot lie . those who reject him WILL BE DAMNED .
And i dont say this on a hunch . I say it cause JESUS SAID IT FIRST .

 

[Jack]

Satan LOVES Universalism! He wants our company in Hell.

 

[amigo de christo]

Satan LOVES Universalism! He wants our company in Hell.

Its why he and his men preach this all inclusive religoin . FOR the road to perditon IS VERY BROAD indeed .
And the narrow way IS HATED MORE and MORE BY the all inclusive universilists . cause IT , AS IN FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST
gets in the way of their lie . The road the satan and perditon , to the lake that burneth with FIRE IS VERY BROAD INDEED .
And many therebe which through an inclusive universal broad path mindset , DO ENTER THERIN .
TIME FOLKS PREACH JESUS CHRIST is all i can say .

 

[Jack]

Its why he and his men preach this all inclusive religoin . FOR the road to perditon IS VERY BROAD indeed .

Perfect description of Universalism!

 

[Jack]

1 Samuel 15:2-3 ESV This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”



Murder is always a sin. Exodus 20:13. Murder = Unlawful unjustified killing. Not all killing is bad. God’s command to kill men/women/children/infants/animals is good because it’s lawful, as God cannot break His own law, and justified, as all are sinners and have fallen short of God’s glory. Romans 3:23. This killing is not חָמָ֑ס (ḥā·mās) Strong's 2555, which is violence, which the LORD God is against Psalm 11:5. Proverbs 3:31. Thus, God’s punishments, like God’s approved killings, cause grief as per Lamentations 3:31-33, the LORD Almighty does not enjoy it.



Will the LORD God rest in permanent unenjoyment? That’s what Infernalists and Annihlationists posit, who believe God tortures and destroys forever. Yet, Zephaniah 3:17 ESV tells us “He [the LORD God] will rejoice over you with gladness”. God does not enjoy punishing people, yet, here He’s glad? Huh???? Clearly there’s a contradiction here, which is only resolved through Christian Universalism, which posits that God’s punishments are temporary and all will be permanently made alive by faith in Christ. The fact that God rejoices means that there’s a time where punishment ends.

Why don't you accept my Bible challenge? Answer: You will lose.

 

[Jack]

I am LGBTQ+ affirming and support them, so this is good.

Not so good:

Romans 1
26 For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature.
27 Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.

And more BAD news:

I Cor 6 Homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

 

[Jack]

Satan LOVES it when his messengers convince people there is no eternal Hell!

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'

 

[Jack]

"Everyone Goes to Heaven"

Very Satanic! Leading people to Hell fire!

 

[Jack]

Hi Jack my friend,

The verse you presented, Matthew 25:41 describes "eternal" (NIV) aka "everlasting" (KJB) as

Matthew 25:41 - The Sheep and the Goats

Then He will say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

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αἰώνιον (aiōnion) Strong's 166: This, like aioníou, is the adjectival form of Αἰών, transliterated aeon, meaning a period of longer or shorter duration, having a beginning and an end,

Everything that has a beginning must have an end. Thus, for a punishment to be endless, it must not have a beginning.

Let's determine if this is an age. Does the everlasting fire have a beginning? Yes! As God says "Depart from Me", meaning there is a start to the departure. For something to last "forever", like this "eternal hell" you posit Jack, is that it must have no beginning and no end. We see this in Rev 20, where the devil is cast into the lake of fire, meaning, that the devil, the beast, the false prophets were not in the lake of fire already. Rather, they hopped in at a beginning.

This is where we see another adjectival form of Αἰών appear:

Revelation 20:10 - Satan Cast into the Lake of Fire

And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

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αἰώνων (aiōnōn) Strong's 165: From the same as aei; properly, an age;

Therefore, any form of Αἰών cannot be used to prove eternal concious torment is true, because Αἰών aka "aion" always means "age" and thus, it's adjectives meaning "pertaining to an age".

It's like trying to prove that the words "harden and hardening" means "soft" when literally the word root means "hard". It's an antonym! An age, which has a beginning and an end, and forever, which has neither beginning nor end, are thus complete opposites to one another.

God bless Jack my friend!

Then why do all of our Bibles say you're wrong?

 

[Jack]

Everyone goes to Heaven because everyone will believe in Christ, which ensures ultimate victory for God. As the enemy of God, Satan would not want everyone to be saved, because that means there sins continue to exist. By promoting an eternal concious torment, you desire for sins to remain unreconciled, for people to remain unclean forever. This is against God's desire my friend 1 Cor 13:8 Love never fails

Yes, everyone will believe, but too late for most. Why did Jesus mention the everlasting fire many times?

 

[Jack]

Jack my friend, there is only one Word of God, like that which is written in the original Hebrew/Aramic/Greek scriptures. You may look at multiple human translated Bibles, which contradict each other. But know that the Old Testament was written in Hebrew/Aramic and the New Testament in Greek.

John 17:17
Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth.

Now you're a Hebrew/Aramic/Greek expert? Who told you that? I think you're in grave danger of leading people to Hell.

 

[Jack]

Every Bible? Which "bibles" are you citing here Jack my friend?

I don't know of any Bible that agrees with you.

As well, the argument you mention is essentially a null statement. I could say the same thing "Do you really think that someone must believe that God will save all people in order for God to save all people"

Luke 13
23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

Truly, I used to be a Christian Infernalist as well, I believed what you believed Jack. So I say this with kindness. Even if I had continued to promote Christian Infernalism, Christian Universalism would continue to remain true. God bless

You've been duped by Satan. You should have heeded God's warnings!

1 Timothy 4
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons,

Ephesians 1:10 As a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

 

[Jack]

In what way do I lead people to Hell my friend? I tell people they must believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, that's fact.

And what if they don't?

Mk 16 He that believeth not shall be DAMNED!

If by Hell you mean Sheol/Hades, then people who don't believe, that's their choice for them to die with sins and go to the realm of the dead. Yet, eventually they will believe in Jesus Christ to be saved.

If by "Hell" you mean the Lake of Fire, then certainly, people will be refined by the furnace of affliction Isaiah 48:10 in order to be convinced to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved.

Christian Universalism is an eventuality. Everyone must become a believer in Jesus Christ to gain permanent life. Yet, with eternal concious torture, where people are still alive being tortured forever, you Jack my friend, have somehow granted people a permanent life even though they do not believe in Jesus Christ! Now that goes against scripture.

Eternal concious torture contradicts scripture, because it grants eternal life to people even though they do not believe in Jesus Christ!

John 14:6 ESVJesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

If you're wrong you're in danger of Hell. If I'm wrong I can't lose.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Rev 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'

 

[Jack]

Within Luke 13:24, indeed, it mentions that there are those who will not be able to enter the narrow gate, yet, for how long will they not able to? This verse refers to how many people will believe in Jesus Christ while they are still alive. Many people will die unsaved, without belief in Jesus Christ. But for how long will they remain unsaved? Certainly, after they die, they still have the chance to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved, my friend

1 Timothy 4 does nothing to promote either Infernalism nor Christian Universalism, Jack my friend. Another null statement that does not contribute to any side. God bless :)

See above

 

[Jack]

Hi Jack,

If I'm wrong I'm in danger of Hell? "Christian Universalism" I do not see as a salvation issue. It is 100% mandatory for a person to believe in Christ to be saved. Those who do not believe will continue to suffer due to sin until they do believe. Like I mentioned before, "everlasting" and "forever and ever" go back to aion, meaning age, a limited time span.

If I was teaching like... Unitarian Universalism, which falsely states that people can believe in whatever they want, then yeah, that would be a risk. But merely teaching the eventuality of Christ's salvation? I don't see the "Hell" danger here personally. God bless

Yeah Harold. Bible choppers are definitely heading for Hell.

 

[Jack]

Thus, Christian Universalism is true, as all murderers like Cain, all sinners, will eventually believe in the LORD God Jesus and be saved.

"It's one thing to not know for sure about the eternal Hell fire clearly defined in the Christian Bible. Some new Christians don't know for sure. It's quite another to insist on removing it from the Bible because you don't like it. The consequences can be eternally DEADLY!

Revelation 22
19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation 20
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire."

Either you or Jesus is lying. You're trying to lead people to Hell.

Matthew 25
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.'

 

[Jay Ross]

Yer, everyone gets to enter the Great White Throne Room in Heaven, where the judgement of each individual takes place, but there everyone is separated out into the righteous and the unrighteous. The righteous are then invited to enter further into the heavenlies and the refurbished earth, but the unrighteous are shown the door so to speak which leads them to the Lake of Fire, which is the second death never to escape their unrighteous destiny.

Oh well, we can all live in hope that we will be given a second chance, but we all had our chance to make the right choice as to who our master would be, before we got to the GWTR.

 

[Jack]

You didn't heed God's warning Harold.

"Do not be deceived"!

1 Corinthians 6
9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[Jack]

```Psalm 90:10 NIV

Our days may come to seventy years,

or eighty, if our strength endures;

yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,

for they quickly pass, and we fly away. ```



The decision to believe in Jesus Christ to be saved… I have empathy to the agnostics and skeptics; how can one choose quickly? All shall eventually choose to believe in Jesus Christ and be saved, but it will take time. Time to decide, yes, even after death.



We spend most of our waking lives working with little time to ponder the deeper meanings of life. With a retirement age of 65, after that, are we left with 5 years? Let’s not forget Time Dilation. 1 year = 100% of a 1-year-old’s life. 1 year = 50% of a 2-year-old’s life. Time relatively moves faster as you age. And what about those who spend their days merely fighting to survive?



My mother’s childhood in the Philippines was spent living in fear due to the violent Iglesia Ni Cristo. Her brother is a well-known INC member and would frequently get into street brawls. The INC taught the martial art called “Eagle”.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exIglesiaNiCristo/comments/12d2m7c


Out of revenge, these people wanted to kill her brother and his family. Rats would crawl around their hours and their buckets caught water leaking from the roof. Her family, them being members of the INC, would take shifts in the night, looking outside for danger. Some may enjoy the beautiful lights of fireworks, but to my mother, they were used as explosive weapons. They were already so poor, why does the INC continue to exploit those trapped in poverty by manipulating them to give more than they can afford?



As spoken by fellow Christian Universalist, mandatory monetary tithing is not biblical! Tithing, The Truth About Tithing And The Tithe



Yet interestingly, the INC does not have 10% tithing. Why? Because they ask for much much more then merely 10% of a person’s income.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exIglesiaNiCristo/comments/11lnj9g


So, I understand those who desire vengeance towards the evil Iglesia Ni Cristo because of how much the INC has taken away from people, but be warned of the sin of unjustified killing, which is murder Exodus 20:13, do not repay evil with evil! 1 Thessalonians 5:15. 1 Peter 3:9. Let us expose their evil to the public. Today, Aug 2 2023, my mother says that me spreading Bible verses is a crime and that my handwritten Bible verses are like garbage that should be thrown up to the mountains for no one to see it. She calls me a disgrace, a satanist and the devil’s convert. She says I’m making destruction of myself and making my life miserable. She says this is a privacy issue and that I will hate myself, but I do not regret leaking this information, this is good. How else can the infernalistic INC be brought to justice? Who else will expose the Iglesia Ni Cristo’s false doctrine of eternal conscious torment?



```Psalm 90:15 NIV Make us glad for as many days as you have afflicted us,
for as many years as we have seen trouble. ```

Don't you know that leading people to Hell will take you with them?

 

[Patrick1966]

Don't you know that leading people to Hell will take you with them?

Hey you're only supposed to use that insult against me!