Daniels 70-Weeks Timeline

[Eternally Grateful]

Ok. I go along with your assumption. It's the very common one. Presented by Sir Robert Anderson and later updated by Harold Hoehner. So when exactly was that decree by Artaxerxes given? It's always assumed it was on Nisan 1. But no where is that information given. THAT is the faulty foundation in this view.

its in the passage

in the month of Nissan in the 20th year of artexerxes.

all one has to do is determine what year was the 20th, and then we know nissan is usally march..

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

its in the passage

in the month of Nissan in the 20th year of artexerxes.

all one has to do is determine what year was the 20th, and then we know nissan is usally march..

No it is not in the passage. That is entirely the point. What date? Number of the month? Specific day? The view you are presenting always assumes the decree was made specifically on Nisan 1. Without evidence? And therein is the flaw in this system - among others.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No it is not in the passage. That is entirely the point. What date? Number of the month? Specific day? The view you are presenting always assumes the decree was made specifically on Nisan 1. Without evidence? And therein is the flaw in this system - among others.

show me any other passage of scripture where the command to restore the CITY happened.

Dan 9:
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem

the city, Not the temple..

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

show me any other passage of scripture where the command to restore the CITY happened.

Dan 9:
“Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem

the city, Not the temple..

Yes. That's exactly the point. That's why I give the test of Ezra 6:14. Where is the decree of God which Ezra is referring to?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes. That's exactly the point. That's why I give the test of Ezra 6:14. Where is the decree of God which Ezra is referring to?

Ezra 6:
8 Moreover I issue a decree as to what you shall do for the elders of these Jews, for the building of this house of God: Let the cost be paid at the king’s expense from taxes on the region beyond the River; this is to be given immediately to these men, so that they are not hindered. 9 And whatever they need—young bulls, rams, and lambs for the burnt offerings of the God of heaven, wheat, salt, wine, and oil, according to the request of the priests who are in Jerusalem—let it be given them day by day without fail, 10 that they may offer sacrifices of sweet aroma to the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king and his sons.

11 Also I issue a decree that whoever alters this edict, let a timber be pulled from his house and erected, and let him be hanged on it; and let his house be made a refuse heap because of this. 12 And may the God who causes His name to dwell there destroy any king or people who put their hand to alter it, or to destroy this house of God which is in Jerusalem. I Darius issue a decree; let it be done diligently.

The Temple Completed and Dedicated​

13 Then Tattenai, governor of the region beyond the River, Shethar-Boznai, and their companions diligently did according to what King Darius had sent. 14 So the elders of the Jews built, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they built and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the [e]command of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia. 15 Now the temple was finished on the third day of the month of Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius. 16 Then the children of Israel, the priests and the Levites and the rest of the descendants of the captivity, celebrated the dedication of this [f]house of God with joy. 17 And they offered sacrifices at the dedication of this house of God, one hundred bulls, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs, and as a sin offering for all Israel twelve male goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel. 18 They assigned the priests to their divisions and the Levites to their divisions, over the service of God in Jerusalem, as it is written in the Book of Moses.

As I said earlier. this is the decree to rebuild the temple

the temple is Not jerusalem. Thats why years later artexerces gave the command to Nehimiah to rebuild jerusalem.

thats the date

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Ezra 6:
8 Moreover I issue a decree as to what you shall do for the elders of these Jews, for the building of this house of God: Let the cost be paid at the king’s expense from taxes on the region beyond the River; this is to be given immediately to these men, so that they are not hindered. 9 And whatever they need—young bulls, rams, and lambs for the burnt offerings of the God of heaven, wheat, salt, wine, and oil, according to the request of the priests who are in Jerusalem—let it be given them day by day without fail, 10 that they may offer sacrifices of sweet aroma to the God of heaven, and pray for the life of the king and his sons.

11 Also I issue a decree that whoever alters this edict, let a timber be pulled from his house and erected, and let him be hanged on it; and let his house be made a refuse heap because of this. 12 And may the God who causes His name to dwell there destroy any king or people who put their hand to alter it, or to destroy this house of God which is in Jerusalem. I Darius issue a decree; let it be done diligently.

The Temple Completed and Dedicated​

13 Then Tattenai, governor of the region beyond the River, Shethar-Boznai, and their companions diligently did according to what King Darius had sent. 14 So the elders of the Jews built, and they prospered through the prophesying of Haggai the prophet and Zechariah the son of Iddo. And they built and finished it, according to the commandment of the God of Israel, and according to the [e]command of Cyrus, Darius, and Artaxerxes king of Persia. 15 Now the temple was finished on the third day of the month of Adar, which was in the sixth year of the reign of King Darius. 16 Then the children of Israel, the priests and the Levites and the rest of the descendants of the captivity, celebrated the dedication of this [f]house of God with joy. 17 And they offered sacrifices at the dedication of this house of God, one hundred bulls, two hundred rams, four hundred lambs, and as a sin offering for all Israel twelve male goats, according to the number of the tribes of Israel. 18 They assigned the priests to their divisions and the Levites to their divisions, over the service of God in Jerusalem, as it is written in the Book of Moses.

As I said earlier. this is the decree to rebuild the temple

the temple is Not jerusalem. Thats why years later artexerces gave the command to Nehimiah to rebuild jerusalem.

thats the date

That's NOT the decree of God. It's the decree of Cyrus.
[Ezr 6:3 LSB] 3 "In the first year of King Cyrus, Cyrus the king issued a decree: '[Concerning] the house of God in Jerusalem, let that house, the place where sacrifices are offered, be rebuilt and let its foundations be retained, its height being 60 cubits and its width 60 cubits;

Nope. Try again.
And in order to use the decree of Artaxerxes, you must come up with the actual date of the decree. The day of the month it was given.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's NOT the decree of God. It's the decree of Cyrus.
[Ezr 6:3 LSB] 3 "In the first year of King Cyrus, Cyrus the king issued a decree: '[Concerning] the house of God in Jerusalem, let that house, the place where sacrifices are offered, be rebuilt and let its foundations be retained, its height being 60 cubits and its width 60 cubits;

Nope. Try again.
And in order to use the decree of Artaxerxes, you must come up with the actual date of the decree. The day of the month it was given.

Sorry Bud

Unless you can show me where anyone ELSE made a decree to rebuild the CITY,, Then you have nothing to offer.

Jesus told the people they they should have known the time of his coming, but they did not. so now their city would be left desolate.

the reason they would have known is because they knew when the command to restore THE CITY was given.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Ezra plainly says it in Ezra 6:14. It's up to you to explain what he means by that in your particular system. And I've already shown the fatal flaw in your view.

 

[Christian Gedge]

Ok. I go along with your assumption. It's the very common one. Presented by Sir Robert Anderson and later updated by Harold Hoehner. So when exactly was that decree by Artaxerxes given? It's always assumed it was on Nisan 1. But no where is that information given. THAT is the faulty foundation in this view.

True. Your first video makes that point well. (not so keen on your subsequent ones tho) Incidentally, the date referenced can be found by comparing Nehemiah with Ezra - about half way through Nisan.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

True. Your first video makes that point well. (not so keen on your subsequent ones tho) Incidentally, the date referenced can be found by comparing Nehemiah with Ezra - about half way through Nisan.

Where and how can that be determined?

 

[Jay Ross]

@Jay Ross



Cutting to the crux of your view, you claim the 70 Weeks happened between 494 BC and 4 BC. That's a new one I haven't heard before. What exactly happened in 494 BC?

Gabriel speaking on behalf of God is pretty specific that it is 70 weeks (of years) which have been cut out from history. Three and a half ages? Don't see a lick of evidence for that in what Gabriel said.
[Dan 9:24 LSB] 24 "Seventy weeks have been determined for your people and for your holy city, ....

Here is a screen shot from one of your videos: -



When you add the following numbers from this chart, i.e., 49 + 98 + 343+2027+7, the sum comes to 2,615 years.

I would humbly suggest to you that the Gap 2 will have a further 1,000 plus years added to it before the 1 week of years comes into play after the Bottomless pit is unlocked. That would make the total number of years in the above diagram 3,615 year which is my book is close enough to being 3.5 ages.

Now i did ask you in the locked thread if you could tell us the span of the prophecy found in Daniel 9:26b, but you did not respond to my question.

I would suggest to you that the time span of Dan 9:26b covers two ages, and after that time period as foretold in Isaiah 24:21-22, the heavenly hosts, i.e., Satan, the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and the Little Horn of Daniel 7 & 8, will be judged in heaven, along with the Gentile Kings of the earth and their armies who are given to the Little Horn as stated in Daniel 8, will be judged on the earth and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days, namely 365,250 or there about days awaiting the time of their punishment.

Now from my understanding I have concluded that the Daniel 8 prophecy of the God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts being trampled for 2,300 years began around the year 250 BC and will continue to occur right up and until the end of this present age when the visitation of the father's iniquities will be visited upon the father's children and the children's children in the third and the fourth age of the existence of Abraham's descendants from the time of Isaac's birth.

Now many claim that the "he" in Daniel 9:27a is Christ, but I would suggest that it is in fact the Little Horn/The False Prophet who is the one who enters into a solemn covenant with the peoples of the earth, also found in Daniel 7:25, in the first portion of this verse and that the desolator, i.e., Satan, in the second portion of the verse will change and void that covenant and even until the complete destruction , which is determined, Is poured out on the desolator.”

This portion of Daniel 9:27b is also confirmed in Revelation 20:9-10 where we are told that Satan will be captured and thrown into the Lake of fire where Christ had previously, shortly beforehand had dispatched the beast and the false prophet.

If the end of Daniel 9:27b occurs at the end of the Seventh Age, then since the Daniel 9:24 portion began after the Temple was rebuilt and the Sin Sacrifice could once more be offered up to God, I suppose that the Temple altar began functioning around 494 BC. But that is just my guess but ties in with Israel being called to repent their idolatrous worship over a period of 490 years. Where the 494 BC sign post comes from is the assumption that Christ was born in the year 4 BC.

Now I am not saying that I have dotted all of the "i's" or crossed all of the "t's" in explanation above, however I believe that I have tied enough of the scriptures together to confirm what I have posted.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

Grammar isn't an opinion. It's an objective set of rules.

Confirmed in this instance by Scripture and history.

Yes, and our history is twisted to reach a desired conclusion. It all comes back to how we interpret history and whether we are all seeing the same driving forces behind the history that is observed.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Here is a screen shot from one of your videos: -

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When you add the following numbers from this chart, i.e., 49 + 98 + 343+2027+7, the sum comes to 2,615 years.

I would humbly suggest to you that the Gap 2 will have a further 1,000 plus years added to it before the 1 week of years comes into play after the Bottomless pit is unlocked. That would make the total number of years in the above diagram 3,615 year which is my book is close enough to being 3.5 ages.

Now i did ask you in the locked thread if you could tell us the span of the prophecy found in Daniel 9:26b, but you did not respond to my question.

I would suggest to you that the time span of Dan 9:26b covers two ages, and after that time period as foretold in Isaiah 24:21-22, the heavenly hosts, i.e., Satan, the four beasts of Daniel 7:1-12 and the Little Horn of Daniel 7 & 8, will be judged in heaven, along with the Gentile Kings of the earth and their armies who are given to the Little Horn as stated in Daniel 8, will be judged on the earth and they will be gathered together and imprisoned in a pit for many days, namely 365,250 or there about days awaiting the time of their punishment.

Now from my understanding I have concluded that the Daniel 8 prophecy of the God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts being trampled for 2,300 years began around the year 250 BC and will continue to occur right up and until the end of this present age when the visitation of the father's iniquities will be visited upon the father's children and the children's children in the third and the fourth age of the existence of Abraham's descendants from the time of Isaac's birth.

Now many claim that the "he" in Daniel 9:27a is Christ, but I would suggest that it is in fact the Little Horn/The False Prophet who is the one who enters into a solemn covenant with the peoples of the earth, also found in Daniel 7:25, in the first portion of this verse and that the desolator, i.e., Satan, in the second portion of the verse will change and void that covenant and even until the complete destruction , which is determined, Is poured out on the desolator.”

This portion of Daniel 9:27b is also confirmed in Revelation 20:9-10 where we are told that Satan will be captured and thrown into the Lake of fire where Christ had previously, shortly beforehand had dispatched the beast and the false prophet.

If the end of Daniel 9:27b occurs at the end of the Seventh Age, then since the Daniel 9:24 portion began after the Temple was rebuilt and the Sin Sacrifice could once more be offered up to God, I suppose that the Temple altar began functioning around 494 BC. But that is just my guess but ties in with Israel being called to repent their idolatrous worship over a period of 490 years. Where the 494 BC sign post comes from is the assumption that Christ was born in the year 4 BC.

Now I am not saying that I have dotted all of the "i's" or crossed all of the "t's" in explanation above, however I believe that I have tied enough of the scriptures together to confirm what I have posted.

Shalom

And what is the significance of 494 BC?

 

[St. SteVen]

And what is the significance of 494 BC?

Wow. These guys are all over the place.
I've lost count of how many theories have been presented here.
And none of them addresses the city of Jerusalem.
Nor do they focus on Israel. Opting to make this about the gentiles.

 

[Christian Gedge]

No sir, you are not understanding my question.
I assume this means Israel and Jerusalem. "your people and for your holy city"
No indication that it was about the gentiles. Am I missing something?
I mean, besides the gentiles. - LOL

Wow. These guys are all over the place.
I've lost count of how many theories have been presented here.
And none of them addresses the city of Jerusalem.
Nor do they focus on Israel. Opting to make this about the gentiles.

It may come as a surprise to you, but the ending of the 70th week is all about Gentiles. Such an idea appears contradictory at first because the angel spoke of ‘your people’ when referring to Daniel’s people, the Jews. Yes, the angel did say, “Seventy weeks are determined for your people ...” but that is the whole point. Israel is about the Gentiles! Israel was the vehicle so to speak, by which salvation would come to the world, for that is what was ultimately in God’s mind.

So when he says, “Seventy weeks are determined for Israel,” God means 490 years will pass and then the times of the Gentiles can begin. The destiny of Israel climaxes with good news to the world! Accordingly, St. Peter said to the Jews:

“Men of Israel … you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, ‘Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.’ When God raised up his servant, he sent him first to you to bless you by turning each of you from your wicked ways.” (Acts 3:12, 25-26)​

In other words, he confirmed the covenant by guaranteeing first option to the children of the covenant then afterward by granting the good news to the Gentiles as he had promised all those years before.

 

[Christian Gedge]

I dont understand your comment that I dont address the city of Jerusalem. I show it at the end of the timeline diagram on the O.P.

 

[St. SteVen]

I dont understand your comment that I dont address the city of Jerusalem. I show it at the end of the timeline diagram on the O.P.

Pardon my ignorance.
"your people and for your holy city"
At the end of 70 weeks, what happens to Jerusalem?
Assuming that is the Holy City.

 

[St. SteVen]

Israel is about the Gentiles! Israel was the vehicle so to speak, by which salvation would come to the world, for that is what was ultimately in God’s mind.

That seems like a projection of Christianity onto a Hebrew text.
What did it mean to Daniel?

 

[David in NJ]

Here is my timeline and dates for Daniels 70-weeks prophecy.

"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city… Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, there shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks …​

And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; … he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week he shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” (Daniel 9:24-27 NKJV abbrev.)​

As you can see, I have it starting 457 BC date being Artaxerxes' 7th year. However, there have been no small number of differences when it comes to the terminus a quo of Daniels weeks. Some say the first year of Cyrus in 538 BC. Others say Darius (520 BC) Still others, Artaxerxes' 20th year (444 BC)

As if that wasn’t as all over the place enough, the crucifixion of Jesus – the high point of the prophecy – has ranged from AD 29 to AD 33!

We could do without the muddle and, as you can see, the diagram shows exactly 7 + 62 + ½ weeks from the emperor’s decree until the cross. Let’s discuss.

Christ died/resurrected/ascended in the 70th week = Everlasting Righteousness

The "Holy People" of Daniel has always been and will always be = Believers in the Word

Romans ch9
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”

 

[David in NJ]

That seems like a projection of Christianity onto a Hebrew text.
What did it mean to Daniel?

Christ died/resurrected/ascended in the 70th week = Everlasting Righteousness

The "Holy People" of Daniel has always been and will always be = Believers in the Word

Romans ch9
What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, 24even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

25As He says also in Hosea:

“I will call them My people, who were not My people,
And her beloved, who was not beloved.”
26“And it shall come to pass in the place where it was said to them,
‘You are not My people,’
There they shall be called sons of the living God.”