Luke 21:36 is Not a Rapture Passage

[marks]

ad hominem

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Post #62 is FACT based and has no 'ad hominen'

What facts do you disagree with?

At this point I'm waiting to see if you want to actually respond to the many posts I've already posted for you. I don't want to keep typing the same things over and over without any response. So there's already a lot for you to work with if you choose to.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

At this point I'm waiting to see if you want to actually respond to the many posts I've already posted for you. I don't want to keep typing the same things over and over without any response. So there's already a lot for you to work with if you choose to.

Much love!

Post #80 updated

 

[PinSeeker]

The way I read this is that they all went in on their own. Like God put something into the minds of the animals to cause them to come to the ark, and go inside.

Well, yeah...

I think Noah was in the ark, and the animals came in to join him.

Okay, but no matter. All that really matters is that they all got on before the rain...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[marks]

Post #80 updated

It's still not responsive to my posts. If you want to continue this discussion, that's the only way I'm interested.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Well, yeah...


Okay, but no matter. All that really matters is that they all got on before the rain...

Grace and peace to you.

Not interested in the details? OK. Personally I think the attention to detail in some, and lack thereof in others, is a major contributor to disagreements.

Much love!

 

[The Light]

The way I read this is that they all went in on their own. Like God put something into the minds of the animals to cause them to come to the ark, and go inside.

Genesis 7:13-16 KJV
13) In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14) They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15) And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16) And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the LORD shut him in.

I think Noah was in the ark, and the animals came in to join him.

Much love!

agreed.

 

[EclipseEventSigns]

Actually, from what I've seen Marks is one of the more respectful posters, unlike most of us.

He's mocked and ridiculed everything I've posted along with the rest of the flotsam and jetsam

 

[PinSeeker]

Not interested in the details?

Didn't say that, marks. It is interesting, sure. But disagreement on whether they got in the boat on the first day or the seventh day ~ other than believing God, of course ~ is not terribly important.

Personally I think the attention to detail in some, and lack thereof in others, is a major contributor to disagreements.

I would agree. And the manufacturing of details not included in some places is a problem, too...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[marks]

Okay, but no matter. All that really matters is that they all got on before the rain...

Matters? Not matters?

I think everything written matters.

Much love!

 

[PinSeeker]

Matters? Not matters? I think everything written matters.

SIGH.

Disagreement on the timing of getting on the boat is not a hill to die on, marks. Whether it was the same day God told Noah what He was going to do or the seventh day after.

And what is said ~ and how it is said, the intent behind it ~ matters, too. Maybe some self-examination is in order.

Dispensationalists are so "clever." LOL!

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

OK, I suspected that may be the case. I appreciate your post, I think I understand your view on this part now. I've never thought of it that way before, and I can see the sense this makes. I'm not sure yet whether I agree or not, but certainly something to consider!

Very interesting! I'll probably come back to this, as it continues to percolate. I'm going to need to reread the passage a number of times . . .

Much love!

That is our job, to always try the Spirits, the difference between a WALL and an OPEN MIND, is that the guy with an open mind understands demonstration by the Holy Spirit somewhat, right off, then goes about testing the spirits to see if they be of God or not.

No one showed me that the 1335 happened 1335 days before Jesus' 2nd Coming ended all of these wonders, the holy spirit did give me this nugget while researching Antiochus & Jason (real name Yeshua) the High Priest, and I still had to test the spirits, and it passed every test.

Anyway, the reason for this post was to ask you if you have read Johnathon Chans "Return of the GODS" yet? If not, read it, or get the Audible as I did. You can look at him speaking to people on Youtube about it over 30 minutes or an hour and get the gist of it, but the read is a must. He shows how an "Oracle" a woman gave the orders to start killing the Christians and how the Gospel freed the Western Civilization from its Demonic grip, but never quite freed the Eastern Cultures, and now those Demons having found the house empty, like the man freed of the Demon, and are rushing back in, bringing back in child sacrifice (Abortion) and all manner of evil. Give it a read, I knew the Matt. 24:10 false prophets were not Christian in nature, but he showed me it was a clash of false gods vs. the true God who was overcoming them by the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[marks]

SIGH.

Disagreement on the timing of getting on the boat is not a hill to die on, marks. Whether it was the same day God told Noah what He was going to do or the seventh day after.

It's not about this or that verse, rather, how we approach the Scriptures. That was the thing I was trying to express. We come with a different mindset, or so it seems to me. And how we come to the Scriptures, the mindset we bring, will have a notable effect on how we go about to interpret and internalize His Word.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I would agree. And the manufacturing of details not included in some places is a problem, too...

Absolutely! Some don't see what is there, and some see what is not there, and either way, it's a problem!

Much love!

 

[Keraz]

Flee and pass through are different, and the word there is flee. Escape.

Much love!

The Greek word in Luke 21:36 is: ekphygein.
Strongs does translate it as - escape or flee, however this doesn't necessarily mean a physical removal, especially not to heaven.
We can know it means protection from, or shelter so that whatever is happening won't affect us, from the many other Prophesies which describe this. Psalms 23 is a prime example. Just as God did for the three men in the furnace.

Also, to think it means removal, is a direct contradiction of the verse just before it, which says what will happen will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

 

[David in NJ]

It's still not responsive to my posts. If you want to continue this discussion, that's the only way I'm interested.

Much love!

On your previous Posts i could not respond because you were taking everything 'personal' and avoiding the FACTS.

FACT- pre-trib is a falsehood that gives birth to even more lies such as "Matthew ch24 is not speaking to the Bride of Christ".

FACT - the GOSPEL says that the Disciples of Christ are His Bride = John 3:25-35

Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. 26And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!”

27John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. 28You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
29He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. 30He must increase, but I must decrease. 31He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. 33He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. 34For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
35The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. (Genesis)
36He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

 

[marks]

The Greek word in Luke 21:36 is: ekphygein.
Strongs does translate it as - escape or flee, however this doesn't necessarily mean a physical removal, especially not to heaven.
We can know it means protection from, or shelter so that whatever is happening won't affect us, from the many other Prophesies which describe this. Psalms 23 is a prime example. Just as God did for the three men in the furnace.

Also, to think it means removal, is a direct contradiction of the verse just before it, which says what will happen will come upon everyone, the whole world over.

You may be misunderstanding me.

The word is active voice, while the passages concerning the rapture are passive voice, so these are not the same. My idea on this thread is that this is NOT a rapture passage.

Much love!

 

[marks]

@David in NJ



Are you willing to stand with the plain sayings of the words that are written?

So for example,

Matthew 25:31-33 KJV
31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

These are the words that are written, that when Jesus comes in glory, He's going to sit on His throne of glory, and gather all the nations to be judged, excepting of course "the chosen", who were previously gathered by the angels, at the time of Jesus' return.

Do you agree this is what the passage is intended to communicate? A parallel passage to Joel 3?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Then there arose a dispute between some of John’s disciples and the Jews about purification. 26And they came to John and said to him, “Rabbi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have testified—behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him!”

27John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. 28You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’
29He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. 30He must increase, but I must decrease. 31He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. 33He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. 34For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure.
35The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. (Genesis)
36He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

To whom was Jesus sent? To the lost sheep of Israel? Or to the gentiles? What did Jesus say?

Among whom was Jesus present, as John rejoiced as the friend of the Bridegroom?

To whom did God promise to wed? Do you know the Scriptures where this is written?

We must answer faithfully to Scripture. If you choose to answer this time.

Much love!

 

[David in NJ]

@David in NJ



Are you willing to stand with the plain sayings of the words that are written?

So for example,

Matthew 25:31-33 KJV
31) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33) And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

These are the words that are written, that when Jesus comes in glory, He's going to sit on His throne of glory, and gather all the nations to be judged, excepting of course "the chosen", who were previously gathered by the angels, at the time of Jesus' return.

Do you agree this is what the passage is intended to communicate? A parallel passage to Joel 3?

Much love!

Matthew 25 does not include the gathering of chapter 24 because it is a NON-ISSUE

Matthew chapter 23 is where JESUS stops speaking to the Jewish nation.

Matthew chapter 24 JESUS is speaking to His Bride, including ALL who would believe on Him.

Matthew chapters 25, 26, 27, 28 JESUS is speaking to His Bride = to us who are Saved and have His Spirit within us.

 

[David in NJ]

To whom was Jesus sent? To the lost sheep of Israel? Or to the gentiles? What did Jesus say?

Among whom was Jesus present, as John rejoiced as the friend of the Bridegroom?

To whom did God promise to wed? Do you know the Scriptures where this is written?

We must answer faithfully to Scripture. If you choose to answer this time.

Much love!

Peace of heavenly 'Angel Food Cake' for me to answer your questions according to "It is written".

Time-Out for me now(Family/Dinner) = will return later with the answers to your questions