The Gospel of Grace:

[brother dave]

It is written:
Psa 12:2

They speak vanity every one with his neighbour: with flattering lips and with a double heart do they speak.
Psa 12:3

The LORD shall cut off all flattering lips, and the tongue that speaketh proud things:
Psa 12:4

Who have said, With our tongue will we prevail; our lips are our own: who is lord over us?
Psa 12:5

For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.

 

[Axehead]

The Lord Empowers Us to Overcome the Flesh

Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help (resist the flesh, world and devil) in time of need.

Understand that mercy and grace empower us to resist the temptations of the flesh, which come from Satan. Mercy and grace have been perverted by carnal doctrines, which tell us we can practice the desires of the flesh (lawlessness) without judgment.

Disciples of Christ are justified by faith and this faith leads us to fulfill the law. He Spirit leads us to put to death all the deeds of the lawless flesh nature. This must happen so your heart can be purified and you can love your neighbor as yourself. You have then laid down your life. This is the only way we can walk in the love that God demands:

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Dave, you are quoting some wonderful scriptures but they only represent one leg for the NEW MAN in Christ. You are limping on one leg and ignoring all the Word of God that represents the other leg that you need to walk correctly. We are showing you those scriptures but you are staying away (ignoring) them. And what we are saying is that just selecting part of the Word of God instead of receiving ALL of it, will not conform you or anyone else to godliness (Jesus Christ).

Axehead

 

[brother dave]

Dave, you are quoting some wonderful scriptures but they only represent one leg for the NEW MAN in Christ. You are limping on one leg and ignoring all the Word of God that represents the other leg that you need to walk correctly. We are showing you those scriptures but you are staying away (ignoring) them. And what we are saying is that just selecting part of the Word of God instead of receiving ALL of it, will not conform you or anyone else to godliness (Jesus Christ).

"BY PROMISE" "BY SPIRIT" not works of flesh!
2Co 3:17

Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18

But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
1Co 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
1Co 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
1Co 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
1Co 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

Deu 19:4 And this is the case of the slayer, which shall flee thither, that he may live: Whoso killeth his neighbour ignorantly, whom he hated not in time past;
Deu 19:5 As when a man goeth into the wood with his neighbour to hew wood, and his hand fetcheth a stroke with the axe to cut down the tree, and the head slippeth from the helve, and lighteth upon his neighbour, that he die; he shall flee unto one of those cities, and live:
Deu 19:6 Lest the avenger of the blood pursue the slayer, while his heart is hot, and overtake him, because the way is long, and slay him; whereas he was not worthy of death, inasmuch as he hated him not in time past.
A scripture just for you brother Axehead?

Mat 14:27 But straightway Jesus spake unto them, saying, Be of good cheer; it is I; be not afraid.
Mat 14:28 And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
Mat 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
Mat 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
Mat 14:31 And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?


SEE HIM! and be not blown about by winds of doctrine!

 

[us2are1]

Any man can pick through the Bible and take the verses that promise blessing and say 'That's me!' and reject the ones with hard warnings or judgments and say 'God would never do that to me, don't you see the beautiful promises he gave me?'

Anyone can do it, and very many do... But this is disconnected from reality.

What about...

Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

When you hear this, is your attitude 'is it me, Lord?' or is your attitude 'Certainly it is not I!'??

You have already revealed it in your words, but I ask for your own sake.

The carnal man looks through a catalogue and picks out what he likes... And he comes to the Bible with the same approach. But a Spiritual man seeks only the truth, and waits for God to reveal it.

It is not us who take the Bible and interpret it, but it is the Bible, by what we do with it, that interprets us. How we use it reveals our intent. Are we seeking to save our own life or give it up?

Amen Prentis

Praise God for that.

 

[haz]

Hi brother dave,

As you know, both sides of this debate speak of different gospels.

Under grace we see the following.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
1John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God,
1John 5:5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Under grace, the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" was born of God, he overcame the world, he was perfected (Heb 10:14), sanctified (Heb 10:10), holy (Rom 11:16) and righteous. And so it is with anyone who believes on Jesus.


BUT, under the gospel others here like Epi and Co. offer, we see that none of the above applies unless one is living a perfect lifestyle/behavior as proof they are abiding in Christ.
Anyone who does not live a perfect lifestyle dies under their gospel.
Epi, Prentis, and maybe dragonfly and Axehead, all say they still 'sin', claiming that one day they will eventually live a perfect lifestyle, continually, in this life. Whitestone however claims he is living a perfect lifestyle now.

I see Epi's gospel above as being works of self-righteousness (although he claims otherwise). He and his friends mix grace with works of self-righteousness which cannot be (Rom 11:6). Such lukewarm gospels have bad outcomes unless repented of (Rev 3:15-19).

Amen to your scripture quotes, Dave

 

[us2are1]

Hi brother dave,

As you know, both sides of this debate speak of different gospels.

Under grace we see the following.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
1John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God,
1John 5:5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Under grace, the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" was born of God, he overcame the world, he was perfected (Heb 10:14), sanctified (Heb 10:10), holy (Rom 11:16) and righteous. And so it is with anyone who believes on Jesus.


BUT, under the gospel others here like Epi and Co. offer, we see that none of the above applies unless one is living a perfect lifestyle/behavior as proof they are abiding in Christ.
Anyone who does not live a perfect lifestyle dies under their gospel.
Epi, Prentis, and maybe dragonfly and Axehead, all say they still 'sin', claiming that one day they will eventually live a perfect lifestyle, continually, in this life. Whitestone however claims he is living a perfect lifestyle now.

I see Epi's gospel above as being works of self-righteousness (although he claims otherwise). He and his friends mix grace with works of self-righteousness which cannot be (Rom 11:6). Such lukewarm gospels have bad outcomes unless repented of (Rev 3:15-19).

Amen to your scripture quotes, Dave

You have to be in Christ before any of these scriptures are talking about you. You have to be believing Him to the doing of what He said before you are included. Otherwise you don't believe and are not in Him and are already condemned. So for those who would see life and be included it is a good Idea to ask God for His Spirit because if you don't ask you won't receive.

 

[brother dave]

Hi brother dave,

As you know, both sides of this debate speak of different gospels.

Under grace we see the following.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not condemned
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus
Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me;
1John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God,
1John 5:5 Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Under grace, the thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" was born of God, he overcame the world, he was perfected (Heb 10:14), sanctified (Heb 10:10), holy (Rom 11:16) and righteous. And so it is with anyone who believes on Jesus.


BUT, under the gospel others here like Epi and Co. offer, we see that none of the above applies unless one is living a perfect lifestyle/behavior as proof they are abiding in Christ.
Anyone who does not live a perfect lifestyle dies under their gospel.
Epi, Prentis, and maybe dragonfly and Axehead, all say they still 'sin', claiming that one day they will eventually live a perfect lifestyle, continually, in this life. Whitestone however claims he is living a perfect lifestyle now.

I see Epi's gospel above as being works of self-righteousness (although he claims otherwise). He and his friends mix grace with works of self-righteousness which cannot be (Rom 11:6). Such lukewarm gospels have bad outcomes unless repented of (Rev 3:15-19).

Amen to your scripture quotes, Dave

Rom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
Rom 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Rom 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
Rom 8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
Rom 8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
Rom 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
Rom 8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Brother, i dont care if an Angel from heaven or from the pit of hell, tells me i can not be in His love for me?
I WILL REBUKE HIM OR IT IN THE NAME OF JESUS! for it is written! and The Word of God is greater than any created being! NOTHING CAN KEEP US FROM HIS LOVE FOR US! GLORY!
when the accuser comes the Word is our Sword!

You have to be in Christ before any of these scriptures are talking about you. You have to be believing Him to the doing of what He said before you are included. Otherwise you don't believe and are not in Him and are already condemned. So for those who would see life and be included it is a good Idea to ask God for His Spirit because if you don't ask you won't receive.

God forbid.
Rom 9:15

For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16

So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. AMEN!

 

[Episkopos]

It amazes me that people who don't believe God are seeking to attribute their salvation to believing in God.

It is too easy to compare oneself to Abraham. Very few have faith like he did.

When God told him he would be the father of many nations...although old and not able to conceive children with his wife...Abraham believed the impossible.

His attitude was.. Lord you can do it!!!

When God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac he again trusted God with this seeming contradiction of commands and was ready to do it...thinking that God would raise his son back up to life again.

His attitude was...Lord you can do it!!!

Now if Abraham was living today what would his attitude be towards the claim of God that in Christ we can both die and be resurrected to a new creation that is created without sin able to walk exactly as Jesus walked.

His attitude would be... Lord you can do it!!!

But the unbelieving on this thread that claim to have the faith of Abraham do lie...

Joh_8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

 

[brother dave]

Jas 3:14 but if ye have bitter emulation and strife in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.
Jas 3:15 This is not the wisdom which comes down from above, but earthly, natural, devilish.
Jas 3:16 For where emulation and strife are , there is disorder and every evil thing.
Jas 3:17 But the wisdom from above first is pure, then peaceful, gentle, yielding, full of mercy and good fruits, unquestioning, unfeigned.
Jas 3:18 But the fruit of righteousness in peace is sown for them that make peace.

It amazes me that people who don't believe God are seeking to attribute their salvation to believing in God.

It is too easy to compare oneself to Abraham. Very few have faith like he did.

When God told him he would be the father of many nations...although old and not able to conceive children with his wife...Abraham believed the impossible.

His attitude was.. Lord you can do it!!!

When God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac he again trusted God with this seeming contradiction of commands and was ready to do it...thinking that God would raise his son back up to life again.

His attitude was...Lord you can do it!!!

Now if Abraham was living today what would his attitude be towards the claim of God that in Christ we can both die and be resurrected to a new creation that is created without sin able to walk exactly as Jesus walked.

His attitude would be... Lord you can do it!!!

But the unbelieving on this thread that claim to have the faith of Abraham do lie...

Joh_8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Heb 11:8 By faith Abraham, being called, obeyed to go out into the place which he was to receive for an inheritance, and went out, not knowing where he was going.
Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned as a stranger in the land of promise as a foreign country, having dwelt in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise;
Heb 11:10 for he waited for the city which has foundations, of which God is the artificer and constructor.
Heb 11:11 By faith also Sarah herself received strength for the conception of seed, and that beyond a seasonable age; since she counted him faithful who promised.
Heb 11:12 Wherefore also there have been born of one, and that of one become dead, even as the stars of heaven in multitude, and as the countless sand which is by the sea shore.
Heb 11:13 All these died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them from afar off and embraced them , and confessed that they were strangers and sojourners on the earth.
Heb 11:14 For they who say such things shew clearly that they seek their country.
Heb 11:15 And if they had called to mind that from whence they went out, they had had opportunity to have returned;
Heb 11:16 but now they seek a better, that is, a heavenly; wherefore God is not ashamed of them, to be called their God; for he has prepared for them a city.
Heb 11:17 By faith Abraham, when tried, offered up Isaac, and he who had received to himself the promises offered up his only begotten son ,
Heb 11:18 as to whom it had been said, In Isaac shall thy seed be called:
Heb 11:19 counting that God was able to raise him even from among the dead, whence also he received him in a figure.

This is Abrahams works! maybe you have heard of his Faith?

1Co 4:1 Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God.
1Co 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man's judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
1Co 4:4 For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

 

[haz]

It amazes me that people who don't believe God are seeking to attribute their salvation to believing in God.

It is too easy to compare oneself to Abraham. Very few have faith like he did.

When God told him he would be the father of many nations...although old and not able to conceive children with his wife...Abraham believed the impossible.

His attitude was.. Lord you can do it!!!

When God told Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac he again trusted God with this seeming contradiction of commands and was ready to do it...thinking that God would raise his son back up to life again.

His attitude was...Lord you can do it!!!

Now if Abraham was living today what would his attitude be towards the claim of God that in Christ we can both die and be resurrected to a new creation that is created without sin able to walk exactly as Jesus walked.

His attitude would be... Lord you can do it!!!

But the unbelieving on this thread that claim to have the faith of Abraham do lie...

Joh_8:39 They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.

Hi Epi,

Yes, the Lord can do it !
And He DID do it in believers !

Here's an example that God provided (in advance) that contradicts your gospel. God knew your gospel would come up so provided this example to counter it.

The thief on the cross (on his deathbed) called Jesus "Lord". He was saved that day.
He was born of God that day, 1John 5:1
He overcame the world that day, 1John 5:5
He was perfected that day, Heb 10:14
He was sanctified that day, Heb 10:10
He was holy that day, Rom 11:16
He was righteous that day

By one offering He did this.
And our works are to believe on Jesus (John 6:29), just like the thief on the cross did.

Your gospel contradicts the above claiming that we are not believers until we have gone through some process of works resulting in perfect lifestyle here in this life, thus proving one is truly abiding in Christ. To fail this process results in death under your gospel.

Whilst you accuse believers here of being in unbelief, the reality is it is you who professes "Lord you can do it!!" but by your works you deny him, not believing He did it until you see the physical evidence in this physical body which is dead (Rom 8:10) having been crucified with Christ (Rom 6:6).

Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe.

 

[Episkopos]

Hi Epi,

Yes, the Lord can do it !
And He DID do it in believers !

Here's an example that God provided (in advance) that contradicts your gospel. God knew your gospel would come up so provided this example to counter it.

The thief on the cross (on his deathbed) called Jesus "Lord". He was saved that day.
He was born of God that day, 1John 5:1
He overcame the world that day, 1John 5:5
He was perfected that day, Heb 10:14
He was sanctified that day, Heb 10:10
He was holy that day, Rom 11:16
He was righteous that day

By one offering He did this.
And our works are to believe on Jesus (John 6:29), just like the thief on the cross did.

Your gospel contradicts the above claiming that we are not believers until we have gone through some process of works resulting in perfect lifestyle here in this life, thus proving one is truly abiding in Christ. To fail this process results in death under your gospel.

Whilst you accuse believers here of being in unbelief, the reality is it is you who professes "Lord you can do it!!" but by your works you deny him, not believing He did it until you see the physical evidence in this physical body which is dead (Rom 8:10) having been crucified with Christ (Rom 6:6).

Blessed are they who have not seen and yet believe.

How did you know that I have seen the Lord???

I do know many that have never seen the Lord but believe in the whole testimony of the bible...including the parts that sound impossible. With God..ALL things are possible.

 

[brother dave]

How did you know that I have seen the Lord???

I do know many that have never seen the Lord but believe in the whole testimony of the bible...including the parts that sound impossible. With God..ALL things are possible.

Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly,

 

[haz]

How did you know that I have seen the Lord???

I do know many that have never seen the Lord but believe in the whole testimony of the bible...including the parts that sound impossible. With God..ALL things are possible.

Hi Epi,

And many will say 'Lord, Lord' in that day and He will say 'depart from me I never knew you'.

Your efforts here on this forum have consistently been to undermine the faith of those believing on Jesus. You accuse them of believing in fantasy unless they follow your gospel of a perfect lifestyle as proof one is abiding in Christ.

I would that you did see the Lord, but your works deny this.

 

[brother dave]

:lol:

How did you know that I have seen the Lord???

1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
I THINK SOMEBODY IS LYING? Col 2:18 Let no one who delights in humility and the worship of angels cheat you out of the prize by boasting about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without cause by his carnal mind.
Col 2:19 He does not hold on to the head, from whom the whole body, which is nourished and held together by its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that comes from God.
ANOTHER TRANSLATON:
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
either way this guy is full of hot air! :lol:

 

[Axehead]

You mean if we just call Him "Lord" we'll be saved? That's it? Nothing else to do or say? Such a deal, who can resist that? Certainly not God.

Just say the "magic" word and God cannot help but be OBLIGATED to the MAGIC word!

Axehead

 

[brother dave]

You mean if we just call Him "Lord" we'll be saved? That's it? Nothing else to do or say? Such a deal, who can resist that? Certainly not God.

Just say the "magic" word and God cannot help but be OBLIGATED to the MAGIC word!

Axehead

Rom 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above
Rom 10:7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
Rom 10:8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Sorry we didnt make the rules!

have you seen the Lord too? or are you guys just looking in the mirror?

Please forgive my humor! i will try to take you guys more serious? epi, did you get any pictures?

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

 

[Axehead]

Are there any other "rules", Dave?

Can I just tear Romans 10 out of the Bible and forget the rest?

Such a deal!!! No pain, but lots of gain. I likey very much.

Axehead

 

[brother dave]

Are there any other "rules", Dave?

Can I just tear Romans 10 out of the Bible and forget the rest?

Such a deal!!! No pain, but lots of gain. I likey very much.

Axehead

Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.
Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.

when you reject the rightousness of faith? you can not see nor know the rest!

Gal 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
Gal 3:4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.
Gal 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
Gal 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:12 And the law is not of faith:

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Been trying to tell you bunch of wanta be teachers you have to lay the foundation of faith and the building of His love!

Gal 5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Gal 5:7 Ye did run well; who did hinder you that ye should not obey the truth?
Gal 5:8 This persuasion cometh not of him that calleth you.
Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

 

[us2are1]

:lol:
1Jn 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
I THINK SOMEBODY IS LYING? Col 2:18 Let no one who delights in humility and the worship of angels cheat you out of the prize by boasting about what he has seen. Such a person is puffed up without cause by his carnal mind.
Col 2:19 He does not hold on to the head, from whom the whole body, which is nourished and held together by its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that comes from God.
ANOTHER TRANSLATON:
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
either way this guy is full of hot air! :lol:

Who was it that Paul saw on the road to Damascus? Something wrong with your understand? Or is it just the Spirit of the accuser troubling you?

Ask God for His Spirit to overcome these obstacles and you will see things in the Light of day.



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[brother dave]

Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Heb 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest,

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2Pe 2:22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

if you had continued in faith you would understand how it all works!