The Bible teaches repentance unto confession, not confession unto repentance

[Ghada]

If you don't believe, why would you do anything? This seems to me a nonsensical statement.

Tell it to Jesus. I only quote the Bible, to let it teach itself. Neither the Bible nor I try to make anyone believe it.

What is perfect sense to the Bible, is nonsesnsical to unbelievers in the parts of the Bible they don't like.

You are simply arguing for the Christian doctrine of believing to be saved first, and then let repentance follow on as unnecessary and unimportant to be saved and justified by God. That kind of repentance is according to man's timeline only, and never ends in repenting of all sinning, but just less.

In your covenant, you demand that God save you forever with guarantee of resurrection unto life, based solely upon you now agreeing with His word. And then you get around to stop doing some evil as it suits you.

 

[Ghada]

There is no other Christian gospel.

Once again. You don't believe the Bible.

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Paul says if he preaches another gospel as yours, then he is cursed. But of courses, that chimes in your gospel of Paul being a cursed chiefest of sinners.

I now know where this comes from in your doctrine. You teach that anyone sinning in the past can never be judged by God as not sinning to day. That's because you teach an impure gospel of partial conversion only, where there is never anytime of all things being new and of God.

And scripture doesn't contradict scripture. You quoted a scripture that says repentance is 1st.

True. And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

I quoted one that says belief is 1st.

No, you quote something from your own doctrine that is not found in the Bible. You change the Bible words in order to fit your unbelief in some words of the Bible.

They are and have to both be right.

Nope. trying to preach something else than what the Bible says, is never right with the Bible. It's just as impossible to preach we are justified by works, and not by faith only, and then try to preach being justified by faith alone without works.

When you hear the gospel preached to you, you realize you're in sin but at the same time you're also believing in Jesus Christ and his ability to save you from sin, you're repentant and believing at the same time,

True. If we repent of sinning, and not only agree that you are sinner. Your faith only repentance of the mind only, is not the Bible. Juzt agreeing we are sinning and not enjoying it as before, is not repenting of sinning.

Your continued repentance is an ongoing, life long process with periodic confession of sin (not confessipn of belief as at first) along your life's journey.

Continuing in repentance from dead works not to sin with the devil, is continuing to walk with Jesus as when newborn of God.

Your progressive Christian religion of continuing to repent of more sinning, so that you do less sinning, is not the Bible. Only repenting of all sinning from the start begins believing the gospel unto salvation.

You very obviously must believe in Jesus 1st or you'll do nothing.

This contradicts your Christian doctrine of sinning with the mind only. If we do not repent of sinning as being justified with God, then we can never believing sinning is not justified with God.

 

[DJT_47]

Posted again from the bible not my doctrine. Pretty clear. Belief 1st not repentance according to Romans 10, but as I said, they (belief and repentance) go hand-in-hand as was the case with the Jews in Acts 2:38

Romans 10

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

[Ghada]

Posted again from the bible not my doctrine. Pretty clear. Belief 1st not repentance according to Romans 10, but as I said, they (belief and repentance) go hand-in-hand as was the case with the Jews in Acts 2:38

Already corrected this by teaching of Romans 10 with the parable of Sower.

You teach believe and then repent, the Bible preaches repent and believe unto salvation.

 

[DJT_47]

Already corrected this by teaching of Romans 10 with the parable of Sower.

You teach believe and then repent, the Bible preaches repent and believe unto salvation.

Romans 10 teaches itself

 

[Jack]

The Bible preaches to repent and believe the gospel. It does not say believe the gospel and then repent.

Why would someone repent if he doesn't already believe? Do you read your own posts?

 

[Ghada]

Posted again from the bible not my doctrine. Pretty clear. Belief 1st not repentance according to Romans 10, but as I said, they (belief and repentance) go hand-in-hand as was the case with the Jews in Acts 2:38

Romans 10

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

You don't believe in repent and believe. And I have corrected your Romans 10 reference without a response from you.

Can't go any further from here.

 

[Ghada]

Romans 10 teaches itself

This is true of all plain verses of the Bible. The only problem is when readers change the meaning of one part of the Bible by unbelief in another part of the Bible.

If we believe Jesus stating repent and believe, then we will not interpret Romans 10 as saying believe first, and then do some repenting down the road.

It's the same with believing faith alone without works cannot save a man in James 2, so that we won't interpret Eph 2 as saying we are saved by faith alone without works.

Once one part of the Bible is not believed, then other parts of the Bible will be interpreted from that unbelief. It's called the Domino effect with Bible verses. Once some reader is willing to knock down one verse by unbelief, then a whole line of dominoes will be knocked down by continued unbelief.

I will engage a person not believing some words of the Bible, but will only show how their next effort only overthrows another verse. I don't keep going down that destructive road with them any further.

 

[DJT_47]

You don't believe in repent and believe. And I have corrected your Romans 10 reference without a response from you.

Can't go any further from here.

YOU can't unwrite what's written in the bible nor can YOU correct what's written in it, namely, Romans 10, so a response from me is unnecessary. Explain, by your logic, the account of the Ethiopian eunuch's conversion in Acts 8 and the account of the Jew's conversion on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2.

 

[Ghada]

Why would someone repent if he doesn't already believe?

And so, you know what the words of the Bible say, but you don't agree with them. And so you instead to philosophic questions about it, rather than just do it.

The Bible calls it vain questions only leading to more ungodliness rather than unto the righteousness of God, which in the Bible is only by repenting of sinning with a whole heart.

This further shows a heart that does not believe it is necessary to repent first.

It's the heart of the righteous, that doesn't really need to repent like the 'wicked'. And so, philosophic and doctrinal arguments are offered instead of just repenting first as God commands.

This is why Jesus comes only for those who know they need to repent, in order to come to God at all.

When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

I know what I am talking about, not only because it is Bible teaching, but also because I was one of the righteous, that wanted to be saved and go to heaven, but I never really thought I was such a sinner that I had to repent of my unwicked sinning also. And though I tried to convince myself I could be saved without first repenting as God commands, I just couldn't convince myself enough of it, as some Christians obviously have learned to do.

 

[Ghada]

Why would someone repent if he doesn't already believe? Do you read your own posts?

Because God commands all men to. (Acts 17)

Why would any man not repent, except by rebellion?

Why would God draw any man to believe His gospel unto eternal life, so long as he is still rebelling against His commandment and warning to repent?

The covenant of God in the Bible being offered to man today is simple enough. If we first repent from the heart of sinning, then He will draw us to believe His good news and have eternal life in Christ Jesus.

If we reject His offer and not repent first, then He let's us alone, and seeks those with a heart to repent, that we may also know Him and have everlasting salvation.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:

 

[Jack]

And so, you know what the words of the Bible say, but you don't agree with them. And so you instead to philosophic questions about it, rather than just do it.

The Bible calls it vain questions only leading to more ungodliness rather than unto the righteousness of God, which in the Bible is only by repenting of sinning with a whole heart.

Believing comes first.

Romans 10
9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Jack]

Because God commands all men to. (Acts 17)

Why would any man not repent, except by rebellion?

Why would God draw any man to believe His gospel unto eternal life, so long as he is still rebelling against His commandment and warning to repent?

The covenant of God in the Bible being offered to man today is simple enough. If we first repent from the heart of sinning, then He will draw us to believe His good news and have eternal life in Christ Jesus.

If we reject His offer and not repent first, then He let's us alone, and seeks those with a heart to repent, that we may also know Him and have everlasting salvation.

For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of:

Where are all these people repenting who don't believe???

 

[Ghada]

YOU can't unwrite what's written in the bible nor can YOU correct what's written in it, namely,

Namely:

The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

And of course I'm not the one doing so. It's amazing to watch the unbelieving mind at work, trying to convince itself and others how believing it is.

Namely Romans 10, so a response from me is unnecessary. Explain, by your logic, the account of the Ethiopian eunuch's conversion in Acts 8 and the account of the Jew's conversion on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2.

Already done that too.

But, you just prove the point, that once plain words in the Bible are rejected and not believed, then it is pointless to go on down the road to other verses and accounts, where one side argues from faith in all the words of the Bible, and the other side argues from unbelief in some of the words of the Bible.

Afterall, you already declare you do not believe the words to repent ye, and believe the gospel, and instead teach your own doctrine of believe ye the gospel, and then repent. Which of course is when you get around to it in your own good time, or as some Christians like say to say, when God finally starts to get 'really serious' about it. And of course, that repentance is never fully of all sinning from a whole heart for God.

 

[Ghada]

Believing comes first.

Romans 10
9 If you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

As I said. So long as you do not believe repent ye, and believe the gospel, then there's no use bothering with your arguments from unbelief elsewhere.

Obviously you really want to try and show how your unbelief is better than the words Jesus speaks to us.

I'll tell you what. When you agree the Bible says to repent first and believe, then I will like to see how from those words alone, you can say Jesus is telling us to believe first and then repent.

 

[Jack]

As I said.

"Where are all these people repenting who don't believe???"

 

[Ghada]

Where are all these people repenting who don't believe???

This is a great question. I am one. Until I went ahead and repented from sinning with a whole heart, with nothing off the table, then I never knew the Lord by His Holy Ghost personally filling my soul. I believed by words only, that it is supposed to be true, but I never knew it to be true, until I repented first, and then instantly He made me to know Him personally.

Until then, so long as I was trying to convince myself I could be saved and/or was already saved by my 'zeal' of faith alone, It was still just me, myself, and I in this life, other than knowing of God, but not knowing Him.

Believers can think they know Him by their faith alone, but they do not know Him as they ought, otherwise they could not be sinning against Him and still think they know Him. It's the same with the Bible. We can believe we agree with the Bible, but then we live and preach things against the Bible, such as knowing Him without keeping His commandments, and so we are not what we think we are by faith alone.

 

[Jack]

This is a great question. I am one. Until I went ahead and repented from sinning with a whole heart, with nothing off the table, then I never knew the Lord by His Holy Ghost personally filling my soul. I believed by words only, that it is supposed to be true, but I never knew it to be true, until I repented first, and then instantly He made me to know Him personally.

You repented with a whole heart and didn't believe? lol

 

[Ghada]

"Where are all these people repenting who don't believe???"

Once again, this is a good question, but an even greater one is, why are all these believers not repenting???

Because they believe first and then repent, which repenting is never complete.

 

[Jack]

Once again, this is a good question, but an even greater one is, why are all these believers not repenting???

Whom are you referring to?

Because they believe first and then repent, which repenting is never complete.

How can someone repent of something he doesn't believe? How utterly ridiculous!