How should we view the Rich Young Ruler?

[Behold]

Philippians 3:9 - and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith.

Apply that verse to everyone who believes they can "lose their Salvation".

The Math then says...

So, you are trying to stay saved by SELF....
While the verse says..."not having my own Righteousness".... = Yet, when a person believes they can lose their Salvation, then they no longer trust in Christ to KEEP THEM SAVED...

So, who is left that they trust to get themselves into heaven?


A.) ""Fallen from Grace""" into Self Righteousness.


This is why these "self savers" want to argue about = "keeping commandments, and enduring to the end, and Law, and working righteousness....and Water Baptism".

As all that is their SELF SAVING Belief system. All that is what THEY CAN DO for THEMSELVES>.
See it?
Their FAITH in CHRIST is broken.
They have broken faith.

Their typical response is carnal, and its this..

"well, you are saying we dont have to WORK... you are saying we dont have to be obedient and keep Christ's Commandments..., you are teaching OSAS"....


That is how their mind/flesh, thinks.... when confronted with the GRACE OF GOD.
That is how their broken faith responds to "THE GIFT of Salvation". and "The GIFT of Righteousness".

 

[Episkopos]

"Born again" gets you into the KOG, into Heaven, and "In Christ" "one with God"..which you should note, is all the same thing.

Notice this verse.

The born again are "seated in Heavenly Places" in Christ"... so, that is more then the "gate".

Again you are using a vivid imagination. To be seated in heavenly places is not a philosophical concept. It is to walk in the light as He is in the light. If you knew what that meant you wouldn't be posting such twaddle.

Entering into Christ is done like this..

(Let Christ explain it to you..)

Jesus said. "You must be born again"

RIGHT THERE.. is the only "entrance".... into Heaven, the KOG, Christ and The Father.

Go here for Eternal Life.

John 14:6

You CAN enter into the KOG and see it...but that is not an automatic thing. We must be born again to do those things.

It's like saying that unless you are born in the world you can't go to Harvard. Does everyone automatically go to Harvard.

You really have a silly interpretation based on religious ideology...no real knowledge of experience of anytrhing you pontificate about.

 

[Episkopos]

Pauline Theology.
is the only Class i teach.

(Wiki it). "Pauline Theology"..

Pauline was a heretic. A follower of Luther. Luther actually invented Pauline.

The Gospel is the "power of God unto Salvation..""

Yes it is. The power to translate us into the higher walk that is without sin.

This is the "Preaching fo the Cross".

No. the preaching of the cross is the price we must pay...to die with Christ is order to be raised into life with Him.

Salvation is to be "made free from sin" by the = "One time eternal sacrifice of Christ on the Cross".

You mean you can sin with impunity.

To hear this, is to hear "Paul's Gospel" that is "the Gospel of the Grace of God", that Jesus delivered to Paul in person.
Paul, (and all the born again) are called by Jesus to give/preach/teach this " Gospel of the Grace of God"...= "in the Time of the Gentiles".
= Paul is the " Apostle to the Gentiles".

Read your bible, and learn all about that event.

And many Gentiles are having quite the time of it.

Im already born again, so, my Justification is completed by the Blood Atonement, that is the New Covenant.
This is literally the Cross of Christ, where God has provided the Sacrificial Blood of 1 Timothy 3:16 "God manifested in the Flesh".. as our eternal Redemption.

Each born again Christian, has received the "gift of Salvation" that is "The Gift of Righteousness".

A sample of grace is not the full measure. You still need to "win Christ". (Look it up and try to explain this) Paul was after that. But you are after religious delusions.

God only declares us Eternally redeemed from our sin, and given the Righteousness of God in Christ, when we do this..

= Jesus said... '"You must be born again".

How? = By the Spirit of God.

Based on what?

Jesus said... "ALL that BELIEVE IN ME.. I GIVE UNTO THEM...... ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall never go to Hell, (perish).

Believe INTO Him and receive the heavenly walk in the eternal realm according to resurrection life.

Your reading is far too shallow.

What is the meaning of the Greek word "eis". I know you don't care. Believe whatever your outer man finds comforting.

 

[Behold]

Again you are using a vivid imagination. To be seated in heavenly places is not a philosophical concept. It is to walk in the light as He is in the light. If you knew what that meant you wouldn't be posting such twaddle.

Study this...

We dont "walk" when we are "seated".
And the reason we are "seated in Heavenly places" is because to be there, is to be "IN CHRIST"... who after He finished His work on the Cross, went back to Heaven and """SAT DOWN on the "right hand of the Father".
So, when a person is born again, they are "IN CHRIST who is sitting by the Father.
This is why the born again are "seated in Heavenly Places" (where Christ is)... "IN Christ".

You CAN enter into the KOG and see it.

No.

The KOG is a spiritual Kingdom.
You can't see it just like you can't SEE the Holy Spirit., yet all the born again are become "the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
Jesus said.. "the KOG is within you"... Its "Righteousness, Peace, and Joy, in the Holy Spirit".

Luke 17:20-21

Romans 14:17

It's like saying that unless you are born in the world you can't go to Harvard. Does everyone automatically go to Harvard.

When Jesus said....>"you must be born again" He was not talking about going to Harvard.
He was talking about what is necessary so that a person's spirit become "in Spiritual Union" with God... as "in Christ... "one with God".

The original Harvard, was a Christian College.
Its not now, tho it might still make that claim.

You really have a silly interpretation based on religious ideology...no real knowledge of experience of anytrhing you pontificate about.

Here is my solid advice to you, and its offered with no grain of salt, implied., Episkopos.
For you to be of true service to this Forum, or to any believer.... you need to post your Instrumental Music on my Jazz Music Thread, and never again teach anything related to Christianity.
Never.
You only insult the Cross and the Grace of God with your bizarre theology (Posts, and most Threads)..., and im not the only one here who knows it.
Believe it.

 

[Behold]

Pauline was a heretic. A follower of Luther. Luther actually invented Pauline.

Pauline Theology, that i teach, is the Doctrine of Paul, not Luther., unless Luther is Paul the Apostle.

A.) not quite

Does WIKI now teach that Pauline, means Martin Luther's, full doctrine?
In that case, Omit Wiki, as they updated it at some point, apparently, and not in a good way.

Luther was right about much, but, he had been so indoctrinated into the CC's theology, that some of that remained in his belief system.

Im not a follower of MLuther

I only do this..

Paul said...>>"Be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ" and he means, ... the walk of faith and doctrinal understanding.

Yes it is. The power to translate us into the higher walk that is without sin.

WE are esteemed by God as "made righteous"...so, our walk has no impact on that.... it only has impact on our discipleship and our accountability before others.
See, people look at your attitude, behavior, and Lifestyle, and they perceive "FRUIT">
God does not see it that way..
He sees the HEART, as that is where the real fruit lives or never will.

No. the preaching of the cross is the price we must pay...to die with Christ is order to be raised into life with Him.

God does not require a person to hang on a Cross, beaten bloody, so that they can go to heaven.
I must say that your religion and your commentaries are undeniably Cross Rejecting, according to your own posts.

See, being born again, is how we are "raised with Christ"., as a "new Creation" "in Christ".

You mean you can sin with impunity.

There is no Sin in Christ., as Jesus is the 'one time eternal sacrifice for sin".
All the born again are "in Christ".

Each individual believer, has to "present their body, as a living Sacrifice to God" and that is their Discipleship....not their Salvation.

A sample of grace is not the full measure.

There is no "simple measure of Grace" except in the commentary you'll run back to ,= to then paste as a post, later.

Listen... The Grace of God, is The Cross of Christ, and that is a FULL Salvation, not a partial, not a temporary, and cant be earned.

 

[amigo de christo]

The law being a schoolmaster. I do believe he could know he was a sinner

Sadly, many jews. including this young man, deames themself righteous/ They were not trained by the law as they were supposed to be. that's why they did not think they needed a savior..

examine what the goal is . what is their goal . TO GET US TO BELIEVE what .
DO they sound like JESUS or the apostels who preached the DIRE NECESSITY TO BELEIVE
to be hearers and doers BELIEVERS IN CHRIST . OR do they sound like all inclusive universalists .
JESUS never came preaching UNIVERSALISM . THAT be a fact . JESUS Preached , BELIEVE
these preach oh well if one believes not . DONT SOUND LIKE JESUS Preaching to ME .

 

[amigo de christo]

Study this...

We dont "walk" when we are "seated".
And the reason we are "seated in Heavenly places" is because to be there, is to be "IN CHRIST"... who after He finished His work on the Cross, went back to Heaven and """SAT DOWN on the "right hand of the Father".
So, when a person is born again, they are "IN CHRIST who is sitting by the Father.
This is why the born again are "seated in Heavenly Places" (where Christ is)... "IN Christ".


No.

The KOG is a spiritual Kingdom.
You can't see it just like you can't SEE the Holy Spirit., yet all the born again are become "the Temple of the Holy Spirit".
Jesus said.. "the KOG is within you"... Its "Righteousness, Peace, and Joy, in the Holy Spirit".

Luke 17:20-21

Romans 14:17




When Jesus said....>"you must be born again" He was not talking about going to Harvard.
He was talking about what is necessary so that a person's spirit become "in Spiritual Union" with God... as "in Christ... "one with God".

The original Harvard, was a Christian College.
Its not now, tho it might still make that claim.



Here is my solid advice to you, and its offered with no grain of salt, implied., Episkopos.
For you to be of true service to this Forum, or to any believer.... you need to post your Instrumental Music on my Jazz Music Thread, and never again teach anything related to Christianity.
Never.
You only insult the Cross and the Grace of God with your bizarre theology (Posts, and most Threads)..., and im not the only one here that knows it.
Believe it.

This might be a song to the choir , but i sing it anway . DONT FOLLOW EPI . CLING TO JESUS CHRIST and preach THAT GOSPEL
and not the go spell of epi .

 

[Behold]

This might be a song to the choir , but i sing it anway . DONT FOLLOW EPI . CLING TO JESUS CHRIST and preach THAT GOSPEL
and not the go spell of epi .

Agreed.

 

[amigo de christo]

Agreed.

You have two types of people .
Now visualize this my friend .
You have the many who see a horse , a cart , wheels
so they go about it to create their own way . They take the wheels OFF the cart .
They put the horse IN the cart . They put the wheels on their own back and tie it to the cart and BEGIN to pull .
THEN you have those with eyes and ears to see , WHO SIMPLY WERE PUT IN THE CART
and LET THE HORSE PULL THE CART . ANY GUESSES which one has the right mind .
JUST SAYING . WITHOUT CHRIST NUTTING IS POSSIBLE and man cannot PULL THE HORSE AND THE CART .
BUT if man simply believes the TRUTH and lets THE HORSE PULL the man , WELL what a simple easy ride that will be .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The blood sacrifice is meant for atonement (being cleansed and freed from sins) not forgiveness. You haven't been paying attention in class.

when your sins are atoned. You are forgiven.

Whatever class you have been going to. You should walk away rom and find another class

No. Regeneration is by the Spirit. Being made alive in Christ, we enter into the race of faith. Not as we think but according to God's will. He runs the show....or else we turn into vain religious ideologues...as we have seen.

Regeneration is new birth. It is called eternal life. It is the begining of the race of us learning to be like christ.. But it is our salvation. Without salvation. Your running in vein

No. Romans 8 is about being translated into the kingdom walk. If we are born again of the Spirit, we have entered into the race of faith...whether we are willing participants or not. We are not to change God's ways to feel secure at whatever stage we are at.

Lol. You and your higher walk.

Get saved first.. otherwise. there will be no higher walk.

if your not a child of God. You’re just an imitator.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well said, brother.
Especially like this bit. (bold in your quote above - my emphasis)

"... they will not tolerate correction of any kind. They will use the bible as an excuse to be smug and to not walk out what they have begun with by the grace of God. ..."

Remember, thtat person you are praising bore false witness against a sister and refused to repent. He was smug to her and does not walk by the grace of God. If he walked by the grace of God. He would have confessed his error and asked forgiveness. Instead of refusing to even admit he was in error.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

How can you never get anything right? You are stuck in the maternity ward. Being born again just gets you into the race. You still have to win Christ to put on the righteousness of God. The very idea that millions of immature believers are running around having the very righteousness of God is absurd...but it does fit your MO of absurdity.

your still stuck in religion. You attack him as if he does not know. When it is you who do not understand.

Being born again is overcoming the world. It is overcoming sin. And it is overcoming the penalty of sin.

Adding to the words of God brings a stiff penalty. You have to enter into Christ in a personal way..to walk as Jesus walked without sin...by the power of His resurrection, before you can claim to be holy as He is.

I'm not a mind reader....your false ideas are in your own head.

lol

again, all we have to do is follow the two commands..

your trying to earn your way to something you can not earn..

 

[Episkopos]

Remember, thtat person you are praising bore false witness against a sister and refused to repent. He was smug to her and does not walk by the grace of God. If he walked by the grace of God. He would have confessed his error and asked forgiveness. Instead of refusing to even admit he was in error.

Now you can properly understand what slander is...exactly what you are doing. When I speak to someone in their error I don't talk behind their back. You on the other hand accuse me of what you are doing. Such dishonesty.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

LOL. Are you really an English speaker. Can you read? You are in the very slow stream in class. Look up Aphesis...freedom...not forgiveness.

attack attack attack, belittle belittle.

this is all you know how to do.

The gospel is about liberation from sin...setting free the captives of sin. He who is sins is the slave of sin. Jesus sets us free...not just forgives us. So you are completely off about the gospel.

You are looking to be justified in your sins...you and all who think you aren't speaking foolishness.

Imagine Jesus going to a jail and declaring everyone forgiven without opening the prison doors to let people out.. That is your version of the gospel.

The gospel is about salvation

we need saved because without salvation we will spend eternity apart from God.

instead of trying to justify yourself you should become as the tax collector and repent

 

[Eternally Grateful]

G859 from Strong's Concordance
aphesis
af'-es-is
From G863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon: - deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Total KJV occurrences: 17

Sis, you should not pick and chose what you want to see. Look at the whole work.

we are pardoned. We are forgiven, we are delivered from the penalty of sin. Which delivers us from the power of sin. Sin no longer has control over us..

 

[Behold]

You have two types of people .
Now visualize this my friend .
You have the many who see a horse , a cart , wheels
so they go about it to create their own way . They take the wheels OFF the cart .
They put the horse IN the cart . They put the wheels on their own back and tie it to the cart and BEGIN to pull .
THEN you have those with eyes and ears to see , WHO SIMPLY WERE PUT IN THE CART
and LET THE HORSE PULL THE CART . ANY GUESSES which one has the right mind .
JUST SAYING . WITHOUT CHRIST NUTTING IS POSSIBLE and man cannot PULL THE HORSE AND THE CART .
BUT if man simply believes the TRUTH and lets THE HORSE PULL the man , WELL what a simple easy ride that will be .

A lot of very religious people are trying to be a Christian.

They try it with water baptism.
They try it with works.
They try it with Mary.
They try it with a Cookie and some Wine or Juice.
They try it with Commandment keeping.
They try it with Moses's Law.
They try it with the Pope.

However, CHRISTianity.....Its not something you try to do.
Its something that God causes you to become by Spiritual Birth, instantly.

"Born again".

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Now you can properly understand what slander is...exactly what you are doing. When I speak to someone in their error I don't talk behind their back. You on the other hand accuse me of what you are doing. Such dishonesty.

You did not speak of someone in their error

You were the one who lied. You stated she said it was only for the jews. She did not

YOU LIED

repent my friend..

or prove you are not only a fraud but a false teacher.

 

[Episkopos]

attack attack attack, belittle belittle.

this is all you know how to do.

The gospel is about salvation

Oh my...how deep.

we need saved because without salvation we will spend eternity apart from God.You accuse me

So deep. Sunday school was not lost on you. But you have not progressed beyond the most simplistic and errant views.

instead of trying to justify yourself you should become as the tax collector and repent

I am calling out those who justify themselves...who claim to be sinfully holy and yet possess the very righteousness of God while they sin away. So you are accusing me of what you are doing.

Do you have any other tricks...or is it always the same old bloviating?

 

[Mink57]

*Sigh* Watching from the sidelines about this "slightly" off-topic debate, I wonder sometimes if we make things more difficult than they actually are. *shrugs*

 

[Episkopos]

*Sigh* Watching from the sidelines about this "slightly" off-topic debate, I wonder sometimes if we make things more difficult than they actually are. *shrugs*

The difficulty lies in allowing the gospel and oneself to be slandered. Because this is a public forum, I feel I have to answer what is obviously very off-track. I realize that some must bring in heresies. But there also has to be some sort of discernment that points that out.