Christian baker and transgender cake lawsuit

[JohnDB]

Children out of wedlock is OK with God?

You aren't endorsing a sin. You're doing your job. A job you asked state permission to enter into under condition you complied with state laws.

The object of hatred are gays and transgenders. There is no moral righteousness there.


Jesus rebuked his disciples when they judged him for eating with sinners.

And talking to a Samaritan woman was unacceptable. Yet, he did that.

Jesus interceded against a crowd of self righteous Jewish men ready to stone a woman to death for the sins they judged her worthy of dying for. Because those were intolerable in their community.

Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

They dropped their stones, all but one who thought himself worthy. Until Jesus let the man know Jesus knew his heart. And then that man released his stone.

The woman lived and was told to go and sin no more.

So many of us feel entitled to take up our stones. We defend that right.

When others treat us the way we feel entitled to treat those we judge worthy, we judge them.

My sister use to say, as God's daughter alive in the heart of Christ and he alive in me, I can be his good news as either a blessed example. Or the adversaries messenger that it is all a facade. Behavior, as proof. One way or the other.



We advertise who Jesus is, every day by how we treat others, and fellow Christians.

We are not endorsing sin when we read an electric meter at a home where a Transsexual lives. We're doing our job for our employer, the electric company.

Somehow, we think if we are self-employed we can behave in a way that would get us fired or written up.when working for others.

Now,a court has said we can devolve back to an era when it was legal to refuse blacks,Irish, Indians,and Catholics, service.

Somehow,we mistakenly think that legal opinion gives exclusive right to Christians.
Identity politics, is a sin.

God help us.
Again.

Again completely incorrect and wrong with your false allegations.
You accuse me of hating people. Completely incorrect.
I hate sin...not the sinners. God died for sinners and not the self righteous.
But that in no way allows me to endorse sin with artistic pursuits.

Try again.

 

[BarneyFife]

@JohnDB

I like your avatar pic. My family's from Harriman.

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[BarneyFife]

Are gays and Transsexuals children of God?

Could you define "child of God?"

I like your avatar pic too. :)

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[TinMan]

What if someone asked you to bake a cake for them to celebrate a murder they'd just successfully committed?

For an overtly idolatrous ceremony, maybe?

How about a successful bank job they'd just pulled?

What happens when God-haters get bold and defiantly demanding enough (if they haven't already) to walk in and say:
"I want a cake with blasphemies and God-cursing all over it?"

Already tried. A few years ago when Masterpiece Bakery was in the news for discrimination a Christian walked into a bakery in Colorado and tried to order a cake decorated with Leviticus 20:13 and with children wearing pink triangles that had been killed. The baker refused and he sued her because she had discriminated against him because of his religion. The courts ruled against him because the baker wouldn't accept such an order from anyone Christian or not.

You bring up these scenarios about criminal images to help vilify the people ordering cakes that are not depicting crimes, cakes that the bakers happily make all the time. When you pout up things like that it shows that it's not about the cake, it's about the person buying the cake.

 

[TinMan]

You've got to be kidding me. All I did was click on "New Posts," post a comment, and there you are.

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Hafa Adai!

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Did I break a forum rule?

 

[marks]

The object of hatred are gays and transgenders. There is no moral righteousness there.


Jesus rebuked his disciples when they judged him for eating with sinners.

And talking to a Samaritan woman was unacceptable. Yet, he did that.

Jesus interceded against a crowd of self righteous Jewish men ready to stone a woman to death for the sins they judged her worthy of dying for. Because those were intolerable in their community.

Jesus said, he who is without sin cast the first stone.

To me this isn't about judging others. I don't have personal issues with people because they have their own flavor of sin. What they do is between them and God. Given opportunity, I'll love and encourage and admonish and do all good things.

The issue for me is that my mind is a private space between me and God. I have talents and abilities that I put to use, the product of such use is an expression of my person. I don't bake cakes, but I do paint pictures.

Let's say I paint many pictures and open a gallery. One day someone enters, and complains that I don't have any pictures depicting homosexual activity, and they demand I paint some of those? My response? No, that's not what I do. Nor do I paint tulips. I just don't.

It's not about them, it's about me. I don't do that. The cakebaker just doesn't bake those kind of cakes.

Much love!

 

[TinMan]

Such as?

Discrimination is incredibly disgusting

 

[Raccoon1010]

To me this isn't about judging others. I don't have personal issues with people because they have their own flavor of sin. What they do is between them and God. Given opportunity, I'll love and encourage and admonish and do all good things.

The issue for me is that my mind is a private space between me and God. I have talents and abilities that I put to use, the product of such use is an expression of my person. I don't bake cakes, but I do paint pictures.

Let's say I paint many pictures and open a gallery. One day someone enters, and complains that I don't have any pictures depicting homosexual activity, and they demand I paint some of those? My response? No, that's not what I do. Nor do I paint tulips. I just don't.

It's not about them, it's about me. I don't do that. The cakebaker just doesn't bake those kind of cakes.

Much love!

I think the issue here may be along the lines of infringing on someone else's freedoms and rights. Homosexuals and all sinners for that matter have the right to sin so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedoms and rights of others. And in my oppinion suing someone for not taking part in a homosexual art work is infringing on the freedoms and rights of the baker in this case.

 

[TinMan]

None of those laws exist in scripture.

There is no sin in being a child of a single parent...the parent is not my concern except for paying for the cake. The child is.

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord. Deut 23:2

 

[TinMan]

Are gays and Transsexuals children of God?

not according to a lot of posters here

 

[TinMan]

All-or-nothing thinking and expression is rarely helpful in solving problems. :)

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Neither is special pleading but you keep on doing it

 

[BlessedPeace]

Again completely incorrect and wrong with your false allegations.
You accuse me of hating people. Completely incorrect.
I hate sin...not the sinners. God died for sinners and not the self righteous.
But that in no way allows me to endorse sin with artistic pursuits.

Try again.

I need not try again. I accomplished my intent the first time and you do not agree.
You seem to be quite upset.
I won't encourage that further.

God Bless.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Could you define "child of God?"

I like your avatar pic too. :)

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Thanks . She's an animated gif dancing happy, but that doesn't appear in the pp.

Can you define child of God?

 

[TinMan]

Again completely incorrect and wrong with your false allegations.
You accuse me of hating people. Completely incorrect.
I hate sin...not the sinners. God died for sinners and not the self righteous.
But that in no way allows me to endorse sin with artistic pursuits.

Try again.

Imagine all you have said here but applied to black people. Hate is hate no matter who it is directed agaisnt or how it is justified.

 

[BlessedPeace]

I think the issue here may be along the lines of infringing on someone else's freedoms and rights. Homosexuals and all sinners for that matter have the right to sin so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedoms and rights of others. And in my oppinion suing someone for not taking part in a homosexual art work is infringing on the freedoms and rights of the baker in this case.

What if the discrimination was due to their being Muslim? Or Pagan?

 

[TinMan]

To me this isn't about judging others. I don't have personal issues with people because they have their own flavor of sin. What they do is between them and God. Given opportunity, I'll love and encourage and admonish and do all good things.

The issue for me is that my mind is a private space between me and God. I have talents and abilities that I put to use, the product of such use is an expression of my person. I don't bake cakes, but I do paint pictures.

Let's say I paint many pictures and open a gallery. One day someone enters, and complains that I don't have any pictures depicting homosexual activity, and they demand I paint some of those? My response? No, that's not what I do. Nor do I paint tulips. I just don't.

It's not about them, it's about me. I don't do that. The cakebaker just doesn't bake those kind of cakes.

Much love!

Do you paint heterosexuals holding hands?

 

[TinMan]

I think the issue here may be along the lines of infringing on someone else's freedoms and rights. Homosexuals and all sinners for that matter have the right to sin so long as it doesn't infringe on the freedoms and rights of others. And in my oppinion suing someone for not taking part in a homosexual art work is infringing on the freedoms and rights of the baker in this case.

And people have the right to hate members of minorities as long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of those people. Refusing to sell the same goods and services to someone because they are a minority is an infringement of the rights of those people

 

[BlessedPeace]

What if someone asked you to bake a cake for them to celebrate a murder they'd just successfully committed?

I'd agree. I'd take the details of the design, their name and contact info. And schedule s pickup time.

Then I would call the homicide division of the local police.

For an overtly idolatrous ceremony, maybe?

How about a successful bank job they'd just pulled?

See above, re:murder.

What happens when God-haters get bold and defiantly demanding enough (if they haven't already) to walk in and say:
"I want a cake with blasphemies and God-cursing all over it?"

Would it be okay for me to sue a guy because, although he could order the stone veneer siding I want for my house and has installed it skillfully many times, he prefers to work only with fiber cement siding these days?

Or should I stick to suing only people who won't do work for me because of their religious beliefs?

Why would someone hire an artist who isn't sympathetic with the spirit of what they want to be expressed in the artwork being sought?

Is this fair questioning, for thought, at least?

Is sin iniquity?

 

[BlessedPeace]

Condoning sin means accepting sin. God does not want Christians to condone sin as sin only leads to pain, destruction, and separation from Him. The Bible tells us God hates sin (Proverbs 6:16-19), which means we should too.

Do Not Condone Sin
If a person condones sin, it means the person accepts, allows, and approves sin in their lives or in other people’s lives. While Christians are commanded not to judge others (Matthew 7:1), it does not mean Christians should condone sin.

A person’s sin separates them from God as the Bible says, “But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear” (Isaiah 59:2). If you condone sin in your own life, it will separate you from God. Even as believers, our sin can separate us from God.

Looks as if .....you need to do a little more reading ......

All are children of God.
All are born by God's will as sinners first.

 

[marks]

And in my oppinion suing someone for not taking part in a homosexual art work is infringing on the freedoms and rights of the baker in this case.

Exactly, and whether or not that artistry is for hire.

Much love!