The Rapture is Post-trib

[ewq1938]

Revelation 6 has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Revelation 19 and 20. Which is proof you do not understand the book of Revelation nor end times.

Or that is you...The 6th seal describes 7th trump events which is the timeframe of part of Rev 19, and 20.

 

[The Light]

Or that is you...The 6th seal describes 7th trump events which is the timeframe of part of Rev 19, and 20.

Or if we are looking for the correct answer, the 6th seal describes the coming Jesus immediately after the tribulation. Then the 7th seal is opened, and the WRATH OF GOD BEGINS. The trumpets are blown in order. The 7th trumpet is the end of wrath as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

 

[David in NJ]

Revelation 6 has nothing whatsoever to do with Revelation 19 and 20!

Revelation 6 has nothing whatsoever to do with Revelation 19 and 20!

You make an uneducated statement like this and you like to think of yourself as 'wise' - lol

 

[David in NJ]

Or if we are looking for the correct answer, the 6th seal describes the coming Jesus immediately after the tribulation. Then the 7th seal is opened, and the WRATH OF GOD BEGINS. The trumpets are blown in order. The 7th trumpet is the end of wrath as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.
Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The 6th Seal gives us the First View of 19:19-21

pre-trib rapture is self-seeking and boasts itself against the Truth

Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic. For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

 

[The Light]

LOL at Biblical ignorance!

As you drive round pegs into square holes, so the events of Revelation fit your beliefs.

Rev.6 covers all...

Hmmm. Revelation 6 is the coming of Jesus BEFORE WRATH, which is the second coming. Revelation 19 is the coming of Jesus at the END OF WRATH to set up His kingdom which is the second advent.

the events of the very end, including the day of Christ's future coming to pour out His cup of wrath upon the wicked, which is a 7th Vial event by the way. That is what His coming on a white horse wielding a sharp sword out of His mouth per Rev.19, is about.

Which has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Revelation 6.

So why don't you just admit it, you don't read The New Testament, and could care less about it,

You don't understand the 6th seal happens BEFORE the wrath of God.

It's laughable that you claim 7-7-7 but in reality you believe 6-7-7, and you can't even figure that out.

but are just here to push Judaizer doctrines against The New Testament Scriptures.

Or maybe I understand the New Testament Scriptures and understand why there are 144,000 first fruits.

 

[The Light]

It is the church being raptured. The rapture only happens once, and the second coming only happens once, at almost the same time.

If it was the Church being raptured, I'm pretty sure John would be capable of saying that. But he didn't.

And the harvest of Revelation 14, comes after the 144,000 first fruits that are redeemed from the earth. But you don't understand what that means, obviously.

 

[The Light]

You make an uneducated statement like this and you like to think of yourself as 'wise' - lol

You can always count on the blind to tell you what they see.

 

[The Light]

The 6th Seal gives us the First View of 19:19-21

No. The sixth seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest BEFORE the wrath of God.

Seen here.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

pre-trib rapture is self-seeking and boasts itself against the Truth

This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Pretribulation rapture. The pretrib rapture happens BEFORE the seals are opened.

 

[David in NJ]

You can always count on the blind to tell you what they see.

EYE C U R knot

 

[David in NJ]

No. The sixth seal is the coming of Jesus for a harvest BEFORE the wrath of God.

Seen here.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

This has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the Pretribulation rapture. The pretrib rapture happens BEFORE the seals are opened.

followers of men say: "The pretrib rapture happens BEFORE the seals are opened."

Followers of Truth believe: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days........gather the Elect"

C

JESUS never said what 'the followers' of men say

 

[The Light]

followers of men say: "The pretrib rapture happens BEFORE the seals are opened."

The Word of God says that the Church is in heaven before the seals are opened as the Lord Himself comes for the Church.

Followers of Truth believe: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days........gather the Elect"

The Word of God says that IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULTION of those days, at the 6th seal. BEFORE the wrath of God He sends His angels to gather the elect.

C

JESUS never said what 'the followers' of men say

The men you follow lacked faith that the Lord would keep His Word to the Nation of Israel.

Without faith it is impossible to please Him.

I follow the Word of God, not men, which is why I understand that there are two raptures. The rapture of the Church will be before the seals are opened as we can escape all these things that will come to pass. The 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman will be raptured at the 6th seal, BEFORE the wrath of God.

 

[David in NJ]

The Word of God says that the Church is in heaven before the seals are opened as the Lord Himself comes for the Church.

The Word of God says that IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULTION of those days, at the 6th seal. BEFORE the wrath of God He sends His angels to gather the elect.


The men you follow lacked faith that the Lord would keep His Word to the Nation of Israel.

Without faith it is impossible to please Him.

I follow the Word of God, not men, which is why I understand that there are two raptures. The rapture of the Church will be before the seals are opened as we can escape all these things that will come to pass. The 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman will be raptured at the 6th seal, BEFORE the wrath of God.

@The Light says: The Word of God says that the Church is in heaven before the seals are opened as the Lord Himself comes for the Church.

No it does not

If it did you would be able to post the scripture that clearly states it.

Your 'light' is dim

 

[ewq1938]

If it was the Church being raptured, I'm pretty sure John would be capable of saying that. But he didn't.

And the harvest of Revelation 14, comes after the 144,000 first fruits that are redeemed from the earth. But you don't understand what that means, obviously.

The 144k are raptured in the first harvest, the gathering.

 

[ewq1938]

Or if we are looking for the correct answer, the 6th seal describes the coming Jesus immediately after the tribulation. Then the 7th seal is opened, and the WRATH OF GOD BEGINS.

That is not what the text of the 7th seal says. You are inserting it there through eisegesis. The text of the 7th trump declares that the wrath of God has come, which some fully ignore because they believe the wrath comes far earlier. It seems people prefer their own words and text over what is actually there and what is not.

The trumpets are blown in order. The 7th trumpet is the end of wrath as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

Except it says the wrath starts at that time, not ends. I'll quote it for you again.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Rev 11:16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
Rev 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Here it clearly states that God's wrath has come (arrives) after the 7th trump sounds and that is the time he destroys those who destroy the Earth. Kind of hard to do that if God's wrath ended already. Clearly God's wrath hadn't come a long time before the 7th trump or else the statement would be meaningless.


The kingdoms become his and then he pours wrath on the people that took the mark and the beast etc.

 

[The Light]

@The Light says: The Word of God says that the Church is in heaven before the seals are opened as the Lord Himself comes for the Church.

No it does not

If it did you would be able to post the scripture that clearly states it.

Your 'light' is dim

I can provide a scripture that clearly states it. You seem unfamiliar with it.

Luke 21
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

When can you provide proof that He is coming? After you figure that out, I can assure you He is coming in an hour that you think not. This is why we are told to WATCH. You are watching for the Antichrist. I am watching for the Messiah.

Rev 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

 

[The Light]

The 144k are raptured in the first harvest, the gathering.

Here is the gathering.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Here are the 144,000 first fruits redeemed from the earth.

Revelation 14
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

The 144,000 are first fruits of the coming SECOND harvest.

 

[David in NJ]

I can provide a scripture that clearly states it. You seem unfamiliar with it.

Luke 21
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

When can you provide proof that He is coming? After you figure that out, I can assure you He is coming in an hour that you think not. This is why we are told to WATCH. You are watching for the Antichrist. I am watching for the Messiah.

Rev 3
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Those scriptures, in FACT, do not speak of a pre-trib rapture.

JESUS, in Fact, repudiates your error in His Revelation = chapter 16

And I saw three unclean spirits that looked like frogs coming out of the mouths of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet. 14These are demonic spirits that perform signs and go out to all the kings of the earth, to assemble them for battle on the great day of God the Almighty.

“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”

And they assembled the kings in the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon.

 

[ewq1938]

The 144,000 are first fruits of the coming SECOND harvest.

There is only one harvest or gathering and it is known as the rapture. It happens at the second coming.

 

[ewq1938]

I can provide a scripture that clearly states it. You seem unfamiliar with it.

Luke 21
40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

When can you provide proof that He is coming? After you figure that out, I can assure you He is coming in an hour that you think not. This is why we are told to WATCH. You are watching for the Antichrist. I am watching for the Messiah.

You are watching for the Ac actually but don't realize it. He is a false christ, and he comes first and the Apostasy happens because of him. That's the great Departure Pretrib is looking forward to.

 

[David in NJ]

There is only one harvest or gathering and it is known as the rapture. It happens at the second coming.

The 'harvest' began when JESUS walked this earth = John 4:34-38

Jesus said to them, “My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me, and to finish His work. Do you not say, ‘There are still four months and then comes the harvest’? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! And he who reaps receives wages, and gathers fruit for eternal life, that both he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together. For in this the saying is true: ‘One sows and another reaps.’ I sent you to reap that for which you have not labored; others have labored, and you have entered into their labors.”

The Harvest will be completed when JESUS rises up from the Right Hand of the FATHER and shuts the door, just as He did with Noah.