A Question for Jehovah's Witnesses

[face2face]

You mean Wrangler who denies that Jesus is THE Savior?

It appears that Kingdom Hall recruits illiterates.

Hebrews 1:6 (ASV)
6 And let all the angels of God worship him.

Hebrews 1:6 (AMP)
6 Let all the angels of God worship Him.

Hebrews 1:6 (CSBBible)
6 All of God's angels must worship him.

Hebrews 1:6 (CJB)
6 “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Hebrews 1:6 (CEV)
6 he commands all of his angels to worship him.

Hebrews 1:6 (Darby)
6 And let all God's angels worship him.

Hebrews 1:6 (ETRV)
6 "Let all God's angels worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (ESV)
6 “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Hebrews 1:6 (GW)
6 “All of God's angels must worship him.”

Hebrews 1:6 (HCSB)
6 And all God’s angels must worship Him.

Hebrews 1:6 (ICB)
6 "Let all God's angels worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (KJV)
6 And let all the angels of God worship him.

Hebrews 1:6 (MLB)
6 “And let all God’s angels worship Him.”

Hebrews 1:6 (NET1)
6 “Let all the angels of God worship him!”

Hebrews 1:6 (NASB77)
6 " AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."

Hebrews 1:6 (NASB)
6 "AND LET ALL THE ANGELS OF GOD WORSHIP HIM."

Hebrews 1:6 (NCV)
6 “Let all God’s angels worship him.“

Hebrews 1:6 (NIV)
6 "Let all God's angels worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (NIV2011)
6 “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

Hebrews 1:6 (NLT2)
6 “Let all of God’s angels worship him.”

Hebrews 1:6 (NRSV)
6 "Let all God's angels worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (RSV)
6 "Let all God's angels worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (TLB)
6 "Let all the angels of God worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (MSG)
6 "All angels must worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (TEV)
6 "All of God's angels must worship him."

Hebrews 1:6 (Webster's Bible)
6 And let all the angels of God worship him.

Actually, the angels did something rather moving, being the first human being to be exalted to such a high position, being at the right hand side of God on High. Of course this event signified a position he did not previously hold - the enormity of such an act would have been spine tingling.

Do you know what they did Jack?

 

[Wrangler]

You took the words right out of my mouth......no worship. Jesus rightfully received obeisance as the son of God, but he did not accept worship from anyone.....he told the devil that all worship was to go to his Father, Jehovah. (Luke 4:5-8)

I do not get the ‘he did not refuse’ worship assertion for it builds a case based on negation while simultaneously ignoring explicit and positive text such as Luke 4:5-8, as you pointed out.

It’s like what Jesus said is not important, what he did NOT do is important. Huh?

That can only make sense to a very special person.

 

[marks]

Blessing, and honour, and glory - not worship, right?

OK, I don't mind changing my wording here. The Son receives the same blessing, honor, and glory as the Father. The same.

As has been pointed out, worship, can apply to both God and man, depending on the context.

It sounds as though you are diminishing "blessing, honor, and glory" as something "less than". But I'll still point out that these are given equally to the Son as to the Father. without distinction. And besides, God already commanded all the angels of God to worship Him.

There's really only one right answer here.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

OK, I don't mind changing my wording here. The Son receives the same blessing, honor, and glory as the Father. The same.

The back door attempts to rationaliza a flawed doctrine are so funny.

Some things are absolute, not relative or a matter of degree. What is received is blessing, honor and glory. The passage does not speak of degrees because these are absolute. So, you have to read into the verse "same" to extrapolate to your goal of "supporting" an idea that is not actually in Scripture.

By contrast, did Jesus say all worship should go to the Father (singular, him) in Luke 4:5-8, as @Aunty Jane pointed out - or not?

 

[marks]

The back door attempts to rationaliza a flawed doctrine are so funny.

Some things are absolute, not relative or a matter of degree. What is received is blessing, honor and glory. The passage does not speak of degrees because these are absolute. So, you have to read into the verse "same" to extrapolate to your goal of "supporting" an idea that is not actually in Scripture.

By contrast, did Jesus say all worship should go to the Father (singular, him) in Luke 4:5-8, as @Aunty Jane pointed out - or not?

Back door attempts . . .

The passage renders it the same my friend! And I pretty much stopped reading AJ's posts due to poor manners.

And I'm glad you find me amusing this morning! Sure beats the alternative!

LOL!

Oh, and playing "Scripture against Scritpure", not a good plan! Best to understand each one.

Anyway, I'm getting tired of this discussion. I'm not really finding it spiritual or intellectual. Lots of repeating the talking points. It gets boring.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

Back door attempts . . . JW's are experts!

The passage renders it the same my friend! And I pretty much stopped reading AJ's posts due to poor manners.

So, rather than answer the question, you go right to Ad Hom, then claim AJ has bad manners. Yikes!

 

[marks]

So, rather than answer the question, you go right to Ad Hom, then claim AJ has bad manners. Yikes!

You are right. I fixed it.

Much love!

 

[Jack]

Actually, the angels did something rather moving, being the first human being to be exalted to such a high position, being at the right hand side of God on High. Of course this event signified a position he did not previously hold - the enormity of such an act would have been spine tingling.

Do you know what they did Jack?

Yeah, they worshiped Jesus because He is God.

 

[ElieG12]

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It sounds as though you are diminishing "blessing, honor, and glory" as something "less than". But I'll still point out that these are given equally to the Son as to the Father. without distinction.

Not so "equally". You can see here the difference:

The One seated on the throne "is worthy to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they came into existence and were created.” (Rev. 4:11)

The Lamb, who is Jesus, "is worthy to receive the power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing” (Rev. 5:12) ... because he was "slaughtered and with [his] blood [he] bought people for God out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation, and [he] made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.” (Rev. 5:9,10)

If you still talk about "equality", you are deceiving yourself.

And besides, God already commanded all the angels of God to worship Him.

There's really only one right answer here.

Much love!

Exactly, that is another difference: God commanded others to "worship" Jesus. So who is God?

God is not the one who was blessed by the superior one, but the One who gave the other the blessing; That is the One who is called God precisely there, since you say "God commanded others to worship him."

Heb. 7:7 Now it is undeniable that the lesser one is blessed by the greater.

You are trying to honor Jesus by taking glory out of his Father and placing it in the Son. How is Jesus going to react to that? (Matt. 7:21).

 

[marks]

The One seated on the throne "is worthy to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they came into existence and were created.” (Rev. 4:11)

Interestingly, speaking of Jesus . . .

John 1:3 KJV
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Colossians 1:16 KJV
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Much love!

 

[ElieG12]

No inspired writer of the Holy Writings said ever that everything was created "by Jesus".

 

[Jack]

No inspired writer of the Holy Writings said ever that everything was created "by Jesus".

Even the JW bible says Jesus is God!

 

[ElieG12]

I'll give you some input about what διᾰ́ means in Greek. That preposition is the one some versionists translate as "by" when the Scriptures say that the Universe was created through Jesus:


διᾰ́ IE *dis-; cf. Lat. dis-, AS te-, Alb. tsh- I A adv. or prevb. through, from one side to the other B in composition ⓐ through, of place or time ‖ of intervals among, between (...) ⓐ through, by means of, with, by, of means or agent: διὰ χειρὸς ἔχων holding in hand Soph. Ant. 1258; δι’ ὁσίων χειρῶν θιγών touching with cleansed hands Soph. O.C. 470; αἱ διὰ τοῦ σώματος ἡδοναί the pleasures of (= perceived by means of) the body Xen. Mem. 1.5.6; διὰ τῶν ἐπιστολῶν through letters NT 2Cor. 10:9; τὶ διὰ μνήμης ἔχειν to hold sthg. in memory Luc. Cat. 9 | of pers. δι’ ἀγγέλου or δι’ ἀγγέλων through a messenger or messengers Hdt. 1.69.3, al. etc.; δι’ ἑρμηνέως through an interpreter Xen. An. 2.3.17; δι’ ἑαυτῶν κτησάμενοι that they had acquired for themselves (power) Xen. Cyr. 1.1.4; πρῶτον μὲν ἐκ θεῶν γεγονότι, ἔπειτα δὲ διὰ βασιλέων πεφυκότι (you who are) in the first place a descendant of the gods, and in the second place born of a line of kings Xen. Cyr. 7.2.24; οὐδ’ ἂν εἰ δι’ αὐτῶν εἶχον τὴν πόλιν not even if they were masters of the city Demosth. 15.14; τὸ ῥηθὲν ὑπὸ κυρίου διὰ τοῦ προφήτου what was said by the Lord through the prophet NT Matt. 1:22 ‖ later in the name of: παρακαλῶ ὑμᾶς διὰ τῶν οἰκτιρμῶν τοῦ θεοῦ I beseech you by the mercy of God NT Rom. 12:1; παρακαλῶ ὑμᾶς διὰ τῆς πραΰτητος … τοῦ Χριστοῦ I supplicate you by the kindness of Christ NT 2Cor. 10:1 ⓑ s.times later of material (made) of: εἴδωλα δι’ ἐλέφαντος καὶ χρυσοῦ images made of ivory and gold Diod. 17.115; βρώματα διὰ μέλιτος καὶ γάλακτος γιγνόμενα foods made of honey and milk Ath. 14.646e. III ▶ prep. with acc. A of place (...) ⓐ usu. instrum. and caus. through, by means of, on account of, with the help of, thanks to: νικῆσαι … διὰ μεγάθυμον Ἀθήνην to win with the aid of great-spirited Athena Od. 8.520; ἔχω … ἅχω διὰ σὲ κοὐκ ἄλλον βροτῶν I have what I have because of you and no other mortal Soph. O.C. 1129; ἔχων δὲ δι’ ὑμᾶς … εὔκλειαν having renown through your achievements Xen. An. 7.6.33; διὰ Περικλέα βελτίους γεγονέναι to have become better thanks to Perikles Plat. Gorg. 515e; εἰ μὴ διὰ τὸν πρύτανιν if not for the opposition of the prytany Plat. Gorg. 516e | of things δι’ ἐμὴν ἰότητα through my will Il. 15.41; Καδμείων ἤνασσε θεῶν διὰ βουλάς he ruled over the Kadmeians by will of the gods Od. 11.276; δι’ ἀτασθαλίας because of stupidity Od. 23.67; δι’ ἔνδειαν on account of necessity Xen. An. 7.8.6; διὰ δέος out of fear [Xen.] Ath. 2.3; εἰ μὴ διὰ τὴν ἐκείνου μέλλησιν if not for his delaying Thuc. 2.18.4 | with pron. διὰ τοῦτο or διὰ ταῦτα because of this, because; δι’ ὅ or δι’ ἅ because of such a thing, consequently; διὰ τί why?, for what motive? Aristoph. Pl. 1111 etc. (...)

Taken from GE-The Brill Dictionary of Ancient Greek

It is very easy to deceive people who don't take the time to study the Bible with persons who know better, and instead of that attack others for trying to help them know the truth. Those who translate διᾰ́ as BY want to believe what the original Scripture does not say, so they change the meaning to deceive themselves and others.

 

[Jack]

I'll give you some input about what διᾰ́ means in Greek. That preposition is the one some versionists translate as "by" when the Scriptures say that the Universe was created through Jesus:


διᾰ́ IE *dis-; cf. Lat. dis-, AS te-, Alb. tsh- I A adv. or prevb. through, from one side to the other B in composition ⓐ through, of place or time ‖ of intervals among, between (...) ⓐ through, by means of, with, by, of means or agent: διὰ χειρὸς ἔχων holding in hand Soph. Ant. 1258; δι’ ὁσίων χειρῶν θιγών touching with cleansed hands Soph. O.C. 470; αἱ διὰ τοῦ σώματος ἡδοναί the pleasures of (= perceived by means of) the body Xen. Mem. 1.5.6; διὰ τῶν ἐπιστολῶν through letters NT 2Cor. 10:9; τὶ διὰ μνήμης ἔχειν to hold sthg. in memory Luc. Cat. 9 | of pers. δι’ ἀγγέλου or δι’ ἀγγέλων through a messenger or messengers Hdt. 1.69.3, al. etc.; δι’ ἑρμηνέως through an interpreter Xen. An. 2.3.17; δι’ ἑαυτῶν κτησάμενοι that they had acquired for themselves (power) Xen. Cyr. 1.1.4; πρῶτον μὲν ἐκ θεῶν γεγονότι, ἔπειτα δὲ διὰ βασιλέων πεφυκότι (you who are) in the first place a descendant of the gods, and in the second place born of a line of kings Xen. Cyr. 7.2.24; οὐδ’ ἂν εἰ δι’ αὐτῶν εἶχον τὴν πόλιν not even if they were masters of the city Demosth. 15.14; τὸ ῥηθὲν ὑπὸ κυρίου διὰ τοῦ προφήτου what was said by the Lord through the prophet NT Matt. 1:22 ‖ later in the name of: παρακαλῶ ὑμᾶς διὰ τῶν οἰκτιρμῶν τοῦ θεοῦ I beseech you by the mercy of God NT Rom. 12:1; παρακαλῶ ὑμᾶς διὰ τῆς πραΰτητος … τοῦ Χριστοῦ I supplicate you by the kindness of Christ NT 2Cor. 10:1 ⓑ s.times later of material (made) of: εἴδωλα δι’ ἐλέφαντος καὶ χρυσοῦ images made of ivory and gold Diod. 17.115; βρώματα διὰ μέλιτος καὶ γάλακτος γιγνόμενα foods made of honey and milk Ath. 14.646e. III ▶ prep. with acc. A of place (...) ⓐ usu. instrum. and caus. through, by means of, on account of, with the help of, thanks to: νικῆσαι … διὰ μεγάθυμον Ἀθήνην to win with the aid of great-spirited Athena Od. 8.520; ἔχω … ἅχω διὰ σὲ κοὐκ ἄλλον βροτῶν I have what I have because of you and no other mortal Soph. O.C. 1129; ἔχων δὲ δι’ ὑμᾶς … εὔκλειαν having renown through your achievements Xen. An. 7.6.33; διὰ Περικλέα βελτίους γεγονέναι to have become better thanks to Perikles Plat. Gorg. 515e; εἰ μὴ διὰ τὸν πρύτανιν if not for the opposition of the prytany Plat. Gorg. 516e | of things δι’ ἐμὴν ἰότητα through my will Il. 15.41; Καδμείων ἤνασσε θεῶν διὰ βουλάς he ruled over the Kadmeians by will of the gods Od. 11.276; δι’ ἀτασθαλίας because of stupidity Od. 23.67; δι’ ἔνδειαν on account of necessity Xen. An. 7.8.6; διὰ δέος out of fear [Xen.] Ath. 2.3; εἰ μὴ διὰ τὴν ἐκείνου μέλλησιν if not for his delaying Thuc. 2.18.4 | with pron. διὰ τοῦτο or διὰ ταῦτα because of this, because; δι’ ὅ or δι’ ἅ because of such a thing, consequently; διὰ τί why?, for what motive? Aristoph. Pl. 1111 etc. (...)

Taken from GE-The Brill Dictionary of Ancient Greek

It is very easy to deceive people who don't take the time to study the Bible with persons who know better, and instead of that attack others for trying to help them know the truth. Those who translate διᾰ́ as BY want to believe what the original Scripture does not say, so they change the meaning to deceive themselves and others.

Kingdom Hall has invaded the forum folks! I love correcting JW's! I enjoy teaching JW's what's in their own JW bible!

 

[marks]

I'll give you some input about what διᾰ́ means in Greek. That preposition is the one some versionists translate as "by" when the Scriptures say that the Universe was created through Jesus:

Yes, I know dia.

John used "dia", Paul used "en", so you have both, through, and in.

Look at your logic. Let's say, just for example, that this meant "agency", and not that Jesus is the actual Creator, and was Himself created. All things that were created, were created by "agency" of Jesus Christ. All things that were created. So you have Jesus Christ being created through the agency of Jesus Christ.

So you see the problem? It's saying, Who created Jesus? Jesus created Jesus. No, Jesus Himself created every created thing. Which is one more Biblical evidence that He was not Himself created. Actually, it's all the evidence anyone needs, if they are only willing to believe the Bible.

It is very easy to deceive people who don't take the time to study the Bible with persons who know better,

Apparently so!

Much love!

 

[ElieG12]

You can't make up meanings for words from other languages to make them fit you.

Jesus was the means through which his Father created all things. Because he was the Only Begotten and Firstborn Son, he was there with his Father, cooperating with the creation of which his Father was the direct Causer ... and the apostles knew it very well:

Acts 4:24 On hearing this, they raised their voices with one accord to God and said:
“Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them, 25 and who said through holy spirit by the mouth of our forefather David, your servant:
‘Why did nations become agitated and peoples meditate on empty things? The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers gathered together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one.’ (Psal. 2:1,2)
27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, 28 to do what your hand and counsel had determined beforehand to occur. 29 And now, Jehovah, give attention to their threats, and grant to your slaves to keep speaking your word with all boldness, 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus.”

 

[Aunty Jane]

I do not get the ‘he did not refuse’ worship assertion for it builds a case based on negation while simultaneously ignoring explicit and positive text such as Luke 4:5-8, as you pointed out.

It’s like what Jesus said is not important, what he did NOT do is important. Huh?

That can only make sense to a very special person.

I didn’t say “he did not refuse worship”…..I said “he did not accept worship”, because to worship a human, even if he claimed to be “a god”, would have been a breach of the First Commandment. If an individual was to engage in any ritual or act of devotion toward any other gods, it signified his abandoning true worship. No Jew would have accepted that their Messiah was God incarnate.

The Greek word “pro·sky·neʹo“ (translated either obeisance or worship depending on context) corresponds closely to the Hebrew term “hish·ta·chawahʹ” in expressing the thought of bowing down and, at times, worship. For Jews, bowing to honor someone was an act of respect in those times.
In the scriptures, the term pro·sky·neʹo is used in connection with a slave’s doing obeisance to a king, (Matt 18:26) as well as the act Satan stipulated when he offered Jesus “all the kingdoms of the world and their glory”. (Matt 4:8-9) Had he done obeisance to the Devil, Jesus would thereby have signified submission to Satan and made himself the Devil’s servant. But Jesus refused, saying: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship [form of Gr. pro·sky·neʹo or, in the Deuteronomy account that Jesus was quoting, Heb. hish·ta·chawahʹ], and it is to him alone you must render sacred service [form of Gr. la·treuʹo or Heb. ʽa·vadhʹ].’”
Accurate translation is vital if we are to gain the truth and separate it from the satanically inspired counterfeit that Jesus warned about in his parable of the wheat and the weeds.

In the British legal system, which Australia adopted as part of the British Commonwealth, a judge was addressed as ”Your Worship” reflecting the honor accorded to the judge, but it does not obviously involve worship. In the USA a judge is called “Your Honor”……same thing.

 

[ElieG12]

The word προσκυνέω does not even mean WORSHIP as someone "worships" a god. Jesus used that word here:

Rev. 3:9 Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews yet are not, but are lying—look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you.

Compare with:

Is. 60:14 The sons of those who oppressed you will come and bow down before you;
All those treating you disrespectfully must bow down at your feet,
And they will have to call you the city of Jehovah,
Zion of the Holy One of Israel.

... and it is used also here:

Matt. 18:26 So the slave fell down and did obeisance to him, saying, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay back everything to you.’

That's another word that versionists change the meaning of to make it fit them. It's horrible what they've done and keep doing to deceive people.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Look at your logic. Let's say, just for example, that this meant "agency", and not that Jesus is the actual Creator, and was Himself created. All things that were created, were created by "agency" of Jesus Christ. All things that were created. So you have Jesus Christ being created through the agency of Jesus Christ.

What is Jesus called ? “The only begotten son of God”…..what does “only begotten” (monogenes) mean? It means an “only child” and yet Jesus has brothers…..millions of them whom he brought into existence as the agent of creation. Jesus himself acknowledges that he is a created being…..
Rev 3:14…Jesus says….
“To the angel of the congregation in La·o·di·ceʹa write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God”. (KJV)

If Jesus says that he is “the beginning of God’s creation” then we can believe him.

You mentioned Paul’s words in Colossians ch 1 but you omitted the most important part of that passage….

Col 1:15-17….speaking of Jesus Paul said….
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” (KJV)

Or, in more modern translations, it is rendered…

”He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.
For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. (NASB)

If he is the “firstborn of every creature” then he is himself is a “creature”…a created being.

So you see the problem? It's saying, Who created Jesus? Jesus created Jesus. No, Jesus Himself created every created thing. Which is one more Biblical evidence that He was not Himself created. Actually, it's all the evidence anyone needs, if they are only willing to believe the Bible.

Well, do you see the problem? Who created Jesus? His Father brought him into existence as the very beginning of his creative works. As wisdom personified in Prov 8:22-31, the son is spoken of as being “the beginning” of God’s way….”The LORD” there is Yahweh.

“22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. . . .

25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delightful , rejoicing always before him;
31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.” (KJV)

The Bible says that Jesus is a created “only begotten son” from a Father who is immortal….the only one who has no beginning or end…..the son has a beginning. In order to be “begotten“ he needed a ‘begetter’ who existed before him. The Bible says that the son was “with” his Father “in the beginning”……the beginning of creation. (John 1:1-2)
He is God’s “firstborn“ and only the trinity argues with what the entirety of scripture teaches about “the son of God”…..never once was he ever called, “God the son”.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Rev. 3:9 Look! I will make those from the synagogue of Satan who say they are Jews yet are not, but are lying—look! I will make them come and bow before your feet and make them know that I have loved you.

In the KJV that verse is rendered….
“9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

This has practicers of false religion, the pretenders, worshipping at the feet of God’s servants. Obeisance is not worship. Any reverence or honor offered to a human, is obeisance…..worship belongs only to the Father…..”to Him alone” we are to give “worship”. (Luke :5-8)

The deception is horrible, but then, would we expect anything less from God’s adversary? A deception is recognized only in hindsight, which in the case of deceived humankind, will be too late. Will God allow people to be deceived? YES! Why?

As Paul wrote in 2 Thess 2:9-12….
“But the lawless one’s presence is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders 10 and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. 11 That is why God lets a deceptive influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, 12 in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness.”

If we have no love for the truth because it dispels what we want to believe, then God allows the lies to remain as truth for those who want to worship what they love.