The Gospel!! What is it?

[Godslittleservant]

First thing first you are going to the letters to the churches (already saved) to find Paul preaching the gospel to save them that is not the case he is reminding them of when they were saved and defending the teaching that is corrupt in the church.We need to go back to Acts where they we saving the people to find out how they did it.

Second when we do then we will see that Peter and Paul were both teaching the same. Also you go to Romans 10 which skips over 6 then back to 6 to then follow it with 1 Corinthians to discredit Paul teaching baptism in Christ name but it is Paul in Romans 6 that is teaching what baptism in Christ name is about but you want to say it is about Acts 2 where the spirit was poured out on the Jews but Acts 19 discredits that because the likeness was laying on of hands not an out pouring.but now if you follow the teaching on baptism which I was trying to do you see that if will all flow together that Acts 2:28 it described in Romans 6 and validated in Acts 19 and is in all the conversions in Acts but no where have we dealt with repentance which also is commanded so we have to take all the scriptures

But we can not agree that Paul meant what he said when he said that the spirit is given in the baptism in Christ name in Acts 19 or Romans 6 so we are stuck since the word is not in truth. It has to be the truth for us to grow on if we cannot see what is written as truth we are done no where else to go no standard to base the truth

 

[Eternally Grateful]

He did you just don't follow his teaching he said that in Mark 16:16
just before he returned to Gods side

Again you don't see what it is pointing to. It is talking about the indwelling spirit that was to be given but not until after his death burial and resurrection. Which is given in the baptism in the name of Christ Acts 2:38 and 19:1-5
[ quote ] In john 5, he would have said "he who hears my word and believes in what I said and goes out and gets baptised may have everlasting life. and may not come into Judgment
and again he did Mark 16:16
Harmonize all these together and see what it says

Mark 16 must be harmonized with John

You can;t do it. I can.

Again, Why do you boast of saving yourself by allowing a man to immerse you in water

 

[Godslittleservant]

Mark 16 must be harmonized with John

You can;t do it. I can.

Again, Why do you boast of saving yourself by allowing a man to immerse you in water

Again if you would just take scripture for what it teaches you would see why I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ take a look at Romans 6 it explains it for you I have given you this answer over and over you are just to stuck in your false notion of baptism you can not seed the truth. I have answered this over and over already so stop asking and listen for a change.

If you would take all the scriptures that teach about baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and stop trying to refute them but hear what is being said you can see but no it does not align with your belief so scripture is wrong not you and then you say I am the one that is boasting because I do not buy into your false doctrine of your man made salvation.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Again

WHY DO YOU BOAST OF SAVING YOURSELF BY ALLOWING A SINNER TO BAPTIZE YOU IN WATER?

can you answer?

you would not be able to see the truth if it bit you on the face for you are blinded by your falsehood you teach and even the scriptures can not penetrate your hardened heart I keep telling you because of Romans 6 get the trash out of your ears and listen to what is being told you

Your attitude is unChrist like and I am through with any dialog with you from this point on I have wasted enough time with the likes of you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

you would not be able to see the truth if it bit you on the face for you are blinded by your falsehood you teach and even the scriptures can not penetrate your hardened heart I keep telling you because of Romans 6 get the trash out of your ears and listen to what is being told you

Your attitude is unChrist like and I am through with any dialog with you from this point on I have wasted enough time with the likes of you

its ok

The fact you will not even look at what I said proves i what I am saying

I will pray for you that you see what you are doing.

 

[Randy Kluth]

You said: "Are you saying we have sin excised from our flesh,"

Yes, by Jesus. He cleansed us from ALL unrighteousness. That wouldn't be true if he didn't take away the source of sin, the DESIRE to sin in our our nature. A clean nature lets us partake of the divine nature of God.

I don't believe that a "New Nature" indicates we have now become perfect souls encased in defective bodies! Rather, a "New Nature" indicates our attitude and behavior are now oriented in a new direction, consistently pursuing things inspired by the Spirit of Christ. A "nature" is a trend or tendency. It is not an "entity."

I realize that "new creatures" sound like "new entities." But I don't believe that's the gist of the words. It means, to me, that we are the same creatures now oriented in a new, consistent direction indicating we have a new character, as opposed to what we had been previously.

We may have been on and off as far as righteousness goes, or just flat out wicked. But we have put on a new nature precisely because we've adopted a consistent attitude towards righteousness not just by following an ideal, but more, by inculcating the force that inspires this--the Holy Spirit.

or are you just saying that we have a pure nature from Christ existing within our sin-infected mortal bodies?

Our mortal body will die because of sin - Adam's sin. But we have a clean nature from Christ AND He lives inside.

Yes, Christ lives in us through the indwelling Holy Spirit. But this doesn't make us new and different beings--beings that are perfect and flawless. Rather, this means that we have been re-oriented in a new and righteous direction.

Christ in us is not a new entity. Christ in us is not our new nature. Our New Nature is the old us being reoriented in righteousness by the indwelling Christ. This makes us, in a sense, new creatures in Christ.

As Paul said, the Spirit of Christ gives life to our mortal bodies. He is speaking of the spiritual life of Christ, which directs us to Christ through the power and inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Not perfect, because that means the maturing also of all the fruit of the Spirit. But we are sinless on day one of having all our sins taken away (not just covered like a screen over a cesspool which is a false teaching). Run from any teacher that uses the word "covered," because that is Old Testament and ignorant.

I don't agree. "Covered" is a good word, indicating that God is looking past our flaws, applying the blood of Jesus to our failures when we confess them in Christ's name. We are certainly not "sinless on day one!" I don't know where you get this? The Apostle John made it perfectly clear that we all sin, that we all need to confess our sins, that we all need the blood of Christ applied to our short-comings.

Adopting perfect natures through Christ? It isn't us, but the Author and Finisher of our faith. The difference between the laws of God from the Old to the New Covenants is the Spirit. Under the Old Covenant, the Jews had to keep laws in opposition to their sin nature. In the New Covenant, because of the cleansing of the desire to commit lawlessness out of our nature, and the indwelling Spirit, we keep God's laws naturally.

I don't believe there's any real difference between OT and NT in the mechanics of living in righteousness. In both cases people respond to the Word of God, directing them by the Holy Spirit. The big difference in the covenants is the fact that in the OT era, final justification had not yet come, and temporary tokens of covering sin were offered until Christ could come and bring about final justification. Sin Nature in the OT was the same as it is in the NT era.

We are not sinners, period. We are children of God. We "keep ourselves" meaning we obey our conscience. 1 John 5:18 "We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.

This is a semantics problem. When we say "You're a sinner" to a wicked person, what we really mean is that the person has chosen to remain wicked. When we say "We're all sinners" as Christians, what we really mean is that we are flawed persons, despite our redemption from death. I would of course agree with you that even as sinners we need to live as saints.

1 John 3:3 "And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure."

Both of those would be impossible to do with a sin nature present.

Not true at all! The whole object of Grace, OT and NT, has been to keep God's People in a good relationship with the Lord, despite their flawed natures. Turning them into perfect people was not the object of Grace, since this is purely our Hope for the future.

Immortality and sinlessness comes later. Our new "orientation," or "nature," is purely a down payment on our future inheritance. We are 1st legally liberated from sin and guilt, and later we are physically changed into perfect beings.

Once clean, it is easy to keep ourselves that way.

No, it's always going to be a battle between our righteous orientation and our carnal tendencies--as long as we live in this present fallen age. I would agree that if we start right it will be easier to maintain the right direction.

I am not teaching Sinless Perfection as that doesn't exist.

Actually, you are using words and sentences that are suggesting just that. So you are "perfect" but not "perfect?"

I teach righteousness which is sinlessness, and is DAY ONE.

Sorry, people are righteous and yet sinners, just as Sampson or David were flawed people and yet considered saints. Grace enables us to be righteous even though we have failed in the past and remain imperfect people.

We do not become perfect to be saved, and I trust you're not saying that? Obviously, the right that we do must be from Christ, who himself is perfect! But there are many blends of righteousness, good deeds mixed with imperfect motives. Christ works through imperfect souls, and we constantly have to clean up our thoughts and acts.

Then towards the end of our life if we have been abiding in Christ we mature in the fruit and become like Christ - perfect. That is holiness. And both sinlessness and perfection can be in this lifetime. Otherwise when we die, we couldn't be holy as Revelation 22:11 says. It has nothing to do with our body as is taught by false teachers.

It is true that it is by regular practice and full maturity that we become more saint-like, or "holy." But again, it is Christ in us, who are imperfect souls, who inspires us and orients us to follow him regularly.

Just as it is not a myth that Jesus died a horrible death, sinlessness is absolutly real. When I was born again in 1977, I literally felt a heaviness lift out of me and I was completely freed of lawlessness. I had been struggling with adultery. The next day I was free. There is no struggle to be righteous after being filled with the Spirit, and this was after 30 years of going to church!


You are not the author and finisher of your faith. It is the POWER OF GOD only. Our only involvement is not quenching the Spirit.

I'm glad you conquered some of your "demons." And it is honorable that you're still holding onto your repentance. I wish more Christians would keep working on their "orientation towards Christ," and not "get weary in well-doing!" Take care....

 

[Godslittleservant]

its ok

The fact you will not even look at what I said proves i what I am saying

I will pray for you that you see what you are doing.

I have responded to everything you have said that is another false claim you made can't agree with any of it but have looked at it all so that is a flat out lie coming from you.

Still am even though I declared I will not so guess I can't help myself.

 

[Godslittleservant]

Again

WHY DO YOU BOAST OF SAVING YOURSELF BY ALLOWING A SINNER TO BAPTIZE YOU IN WATER?

can you answer?

OK please can anyone see where I have answered this question whether you agree with my answer or not can you see I have answered this so why does he keep yelling at me to do what I have already done

 

[Godslittleservant]

1 Corinthians 1:6
For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Just a thought. Some use this to say Paul did not preach the baptism in Christ name but scripture proves that to be a false statement.
Paul did preach baptism and did baptize some see Acts 19 where he taught baptism in the name of Jesus Christ and then baptized them in the name of Jesus Christ

So the context explains why he was reluctant to do the baptizing but he always taught baptism in Christ's name.

 

[Godslittleservant]

I guess I have worn out my welcome

 

[Aunty Jane]

A simple question but does not seem to have a simple answer and we wonder why we are so divided.

So true.....the message about the “good news (gospel) of God’s Kingdom” was to be preached in all nations until the very end of the age (Matt 24:14) as part of the “end times” prophesy......so who are doing that when none of the churches seem to know exactly what it is?

It is a simple question but apparently it doesn’t have a simple answer if those who are supposed to be preaching about it are missing in action....

 

[Lambano]

It is the church and it is now here no longer at hand but has come

I tend to agree, but it's not a kingdom like the kingdoms of this world, it's not what Jesus's contemporaries expected, and it's not fully realized yet. It's come, but it's yet to come.

 

[Lambano]

What was the kingdom that Israel was expecting? What was the kingdom promised in the OT prophets? Could that have been what Jesus meant? And could it be that they may have received that kingdom had they received Jesus?

Much love!

The "Plan B" theory?

Which brings up the question, did Paul preach a different gospel than what Jesus did? Which is part of a larger question, are Jesus's Kingdom teachings relevant to us today?

 

[Ritajanice]

I thought I would post this, from another topic that I posted this on.

I just felt the need to post.

When we’re in the flesh, we are being hostile to God and not pleasing him.

Of course he won’t stop us acting out in the flesh ..or even reacting to the flesh.

He’s teaching me all about the flesh at the moment....what it means to walk in the flesh.

He’s also teaching me the peace, joy, obedience, etc...by submitting to the Holy Spirit ...therefore walk in with the Spirit?

I’m sure that makes sense to you.....the more I submit,Debp....the more he teaches me his way....the flesh can be such a hindrance to our growth..

 

[Ritajanice]

online source.

Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:4-7, and Romans 5:1are just a few of the verses that demonstrate salvation is by faith alone, not by works. Think of the thief on the cross who placed his faith in Christ and was promised by Jesus he'd go to Heaven. Obviously baptism wasn't necessary, or even possible, for him.

Ephesians 2:8-9​

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not ofyourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Titus 3:4-7​

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4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Romans 5

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5 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord

 

[Ritajanice]

I guess I have worn out my welcome

I suggest that you may take a break as one can see from your posts, that you are extremely agitated.....I’ve done the same....as I don’t believe we are walking in the Spirit when we are like this.

We start to talk in the flesh and get annoyed because others aren’t agreeing with us.

Then we start to get personal...there is nothing edifying in what we say, when we start throwing insults around...speaking from my own experience....

I have also taking a break....God is showing me to think, before I post.....is it of him....or is it of me.

God Bless...hope you slept well last night...and are rested when you read this.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

To the tile of the OP:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he GAVE his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Ephesians 2
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

1 John 4
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Romans 1:16 -
For I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for IT IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH ON HIM shall not be ashamed.

1 Corinthians 15
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

This is the gospel or good news; that God's great love and unwillingness that any should perish through unbelief, he sent Jesus, God in the flesh, to die for our sins. He was buried and raised again on the 3rd day according to prophecy. Acceptance of this great gift of love and belief in the Son of God redeems us and we are no longer slaves to sin. This gospel sets us free!

 

[Ritajanice]

John 15:16 Meaning of You Did Not Choose Me, but I Chose You​

Feb 25, 2020 by Editor in Chief
John 15:16
“You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.”

Explanation and Commentary of John 15:16​

This verse comes at the end of the great discourse on the vine and the branches. Jesus has urged his disciples to remain in Him because that is the way are designed to bear fruit. Beyond being saved and going to Heaven someday, it seems that the goal of Christian life is to bear fruit.
Jesus says that the disciples were chosen by him and for a purpose. He is not speaking only about his choice of the twelve, but about the grace of God for salvation. The elect are saved by grace and will continue to move forward in grace, abiding in union with Christ and bearing the fruit of the Spirit and the continuation of Jesus’ ministry in the Church. One result is that the followers of Jesus will be effective in prayer.

Breaking Down the Key Parts of John 15:16​

#1 “You did not choose me, but I chose you…”
God has given free will to humans, and we will be held accountable for our choices. Nevertheless, apart from God’s grace, because of our sinful nature, we would be unable to see the Kingdom of God and come to God apart from His grace for regeneration (Jn 3:3).
#2 “…and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit”
Not only did God choose you to be his child, giving you a new heart (Ez 36:26), and making you a new creation (2 Cor 5:17), he has appointed you to bear fruit. This partly refers to the fruit of the Spirit (Gal 5:22-23) as our character is transformed more and more into the image of Christ, but more specifically here he seems to be speaking of ministry fruit. Disciples are called to allow Jesus to work through them to continue his work of saving the lost and training disciples (Mat 28:16-20).
#3 “—fruit that will last…”
The kind of fruit that will not last is that which was not the result of God’s work and power. There are many underhanded methods of bringing people into the church (2 Cor 4:2). Coercive leadership, easy believism, a false message are only a few of them. Whatever is not of God will not last. Like Paul, we should pray that our work, when tested at the judgment, will not burn up like straw (1 Cor 3:15).

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I guess I have worn out my welcome

Don't let EG scare you away. There are plenty of people on here, and some of us are actually Christians!

 

[Ritajanice]

THE FRUITS OF PRIDE​

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The Root of Everything Evil

• Most people do not consider themselves proud or vulnerable to pride. Yet, this is one of the major categories of sin the Bible says is in each of our hearts.
• 1 John 2:15-17 (NASB) “Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For everything in the world–the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does–comes not from the Father but from the world. The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.”
• Pride is the first sin and the most serious sin. Pride is our greatest problem. Not the devil. Not low self-esteem. Not our upbringing or injustices suffered.

God Hates Pride

• God hates pride; we must learn to hate what God hates and to love what God loves. How much do you hate pride?
• Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behaviour and perverse speech.”
• Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”
• Proverbs 16:5 “The LORD detests all the proud of heart. Be sure of this: They will not go unpunished.”
• Proverbs 16:18 “Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall.”
• God is not out to hurt your pride he is out to kill your pride.

Pride is Serious

• God is opposed to the proud. You don’t want God as your opponent.
• James 4:6 “But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.””
• 1 Peter 5:5 “Young men, in the same way be submissive to those who are older. All of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, ‘God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.'”
• Luke 14:11 “For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.””
• The way up is the way down. Completely the opposite of the world. Humble yourself and you will be exalted; exalt yourself and you will be humbled.

Humility is Critical to Receiving God’s Grace

• Proverbs 11:2 “When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.”
• Proverbs 15:33 “The fear of the LORD teaches a man wisdom, and humility comes before honour.”
• Proverbs 18:12 “Before his downfall a man’s heart is proud, but humility comes before honour.”
• Proverbs 29:23 “A man’s pride brings him low, but a man of lowly spirit gains honour.”
• Isaiah 57:15 “For this is what the high and lofty One says—he who lives forever, whose name is holy: “I live in a high and holy place, but also with him who is contrite and lowly in spirit, to revive the spirit of the lowly and to revive the heart of the contrite.”
• 1 Peter 5:6 “Humble yourselves, therefore, under God’s mighty hand, that he may lift you up in due time.”
• Isaiah 23:9 “The LORD Almighty planned it, to bring low the pride of all glory and to humble all who are renowned on the earth.”
• God resists the proud in order to show them their need of him. This results in his glory.
• 2 Corinthians 12:7-10 “To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may rest on me. That is why, for Christ’s sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.”
• We must change the source of our lives. You are weak whether you know it or not. Abiding is how you live the Christian life.