Christ Saved Us... What Do Good Works Do?
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As you are making your arguments bear this in mind.
this Johnny come lately view, as you call it. (A post of mine from another thread)
Sola Fide (Faith Alone)
is important because it is one of the distinguishing characteristics or key points that separate the true biblical Gospel from false gospels. At stake is the very Gospel itself and it is therefore a matter of eternal life or death.
Getting the Gospel right is of such importance that the Apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 1:9 “As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!”
Paul was questioning on what basis is humanity declared by God to be justified?
Paul was wanting to know if it is by faith alone or by faith combined with works?
And in concluding Paul makes it clear in Galatians and Romans that humanity is “justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law”
Lol: Wonder if Kamala studied him...? He tells us in Galatians 2:16 "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
And I say from my studies the rest of the Bible agrees.
Now, you mentioned also Sola Scriptura (Scripture ALONE)
Fact of the matter is there are 5 Solas and deviating from one will lead to error in another essential doctrine, and the result will almost always be a false gospel which is powerless to save.
The essential Christian doctrines are represented by these five "Latin" phrases which accurately summarize the biblical teaching on these crucial subjects: sola scriptura (Scripture alone), sola fide (faith alone), sola gratia (grace alone), sola Christus (Christ alone), and sola Deo gloria (for the glory of God alone).
Now, since this has been primarily about faith alone, or faith with works I am only going to concentrait on Sola Fide...
This is a key point of difference between not only Protestants and Catholics but between biblical Christianity and almost all other religions and teachings.
The teaching that we are declared righteous by God (justified) on the basis of our faith alone and not by works is a key doctrine of the Bible and a line that divides most CULTS from biblical Christianity.
It is undeniable fact that most religions and cults teach people what works they must do to be saved HOWEVER the Bible teaches that we are not saved by works WE ARE SAVED by God’s grace through His gift of faith ... Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Do you not understand that biblical Christianity is distinct from every other religion in that it is centered on what God has accomplished through Christ’s finished work and all other religions are based on human achievement.
Fact..... If we abandon the doctrine of justification by faith, we abandon the only way of salvation.
Do you remember 2 Cor 5:21? He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
What does this mean?.....that those that trust Christ Jesus for justification by faith alone are those that are imputed with His righteousness
Simply said ...Sola fide is the doctrine of justification by faith alone apart from works and is simply recognizing what is taught over and over in Scripture
I wont bore YOU with what the likes of Martin Luther or others you would never study
said on this but I will say That is why Paul so adamantly denounces those who taught law-keeping or other works of righteousness in Galatians 1:9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
But maybe, just maybe you will believe Abraham. He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.
And know, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:
'‘All nations will be blessed through you.’ So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.’ Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, ‘The righteous will live by faith’” Galatians 3:6-11
You don't like Biblical truth and now we see you don't iike logic either.
LOL So now you're admitting that 1 Co 10 has to do without eternal life right?
So, all of Christian history, until the Protestant Reformation, they all had carnal minds, and didn't understand spiritual things, but, then, by a singular grace, Martin Luther was given the grace to believe the anti Scriptural doctrine of "faith alone" whereby you make no sense of Scripture, so that you can believe in total nonsense, because you're "spiritual". Cool story.
A Born Again is under the New Covenant...?
| Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.” New Living Translation Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, unless you are born again, you cannot see the Kingdom of God.” English Standard Version Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Berean Standard Bible Jesus replied, “Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.” |
Romans 8:7-9
Romans 8:7-9 NKJV
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God. But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.NKJV: New King James Version
Yup, justified by grace through faith, and yet if you don't remain in faith, but do things you doubt, you are not justified but condemned (Ro 14:23), and, at the end, there will be another judgment at which only doers of good will be justified (Ro 2).As you are making your arguments bear this in mind.
this Johnny come lately view, as you call it. (A post of mine from another thread)
Sola Fide (Faith Alone)
is important because it is one of the distinguishing characteristics or key points that separate the true biblical Gospel from false gospels. At stake is the very Gospel itself and it is therefore a matter of eternal life or death.
Getting the Gospel right is of such importance that the Apostle Paul wrote in Galatians 1:9 “As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!”
Paul was questioning on what basis is humanity declared by God to be justified?
Paul was wanting to know if it is by faith alone or by faith combined with works?
And in concluding Paul makes it clear in Galatians and Romans that humanity is “justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law”
Lol: Wonder if Kamala studied him...? He tells us in Galatians 2:16 "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified.
And I say from my studies the rest of the Bible agrees.
Now, you mentioned also Sola Scriptura (Scripture ALONE)
Fact of the matter is there are 5 Solas and deviating from one will lead to error in another essential doctrine, and the result will almost always be a false gospel which is powerless to save.
The essential Christian doctrines are represented by these five "Latin" phrases which accurately summarize the biblical teaching on these crucial subjects: sola scriptura (Scripture alone), sola fide (faith alone), sola gratia (grace alone), sola Christus (Christ alone), and sola Deo gloria (for the glory of God alone).
Now, since this has been primarily about faith alone, or faith with works I am only going to concentrait on Sola Fide...
This is a key point of difference between not only Protestants and Catholics but between biblical Christianity and almost all other religions and teachings.
The teaching that we are declared righteous by God (justified) on the basis of our faith alone and not by works is a key doctrine of the Bible and a line that divides most CULTS from biblical Christianity.
It is undeniable fact that most religions and cults teach people what works they must do to be saved HOWEVER the Bible teaches that we are not saved by works WE ARE SAVED by God’s grace through His gift of faith ... Ephesians 2: 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and [a]that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Do you not understand that biblical Christianity is distinct from every other religion in that it is centered on what God has accomplished through Christ’s finished work and all other religions are based on human achievement.
Fact..... If we abandon the doctrine of justification by faith, we abandon the only way of salvation.
Do you remember 2 Cor 5:21? He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
What does this mean?.....that those that trust Christ Jesus for justification by faith alone are those that are imputed with His righteousness
Simply said ...Sola fide is the doctrine of justification by faith alone apart from works and is simply recognizing what is taught over and over in Scripture
I wont bore YOU with what the likes of Martin Luther or others you would never study
said on this but I will say That is why Paul so adamantly denounces those who taught law-keeping or other works of righteousness in Galatians 1:9 As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!
But maybe, just maybe you will believe Abraham. He believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.
And know, then, that those who believe are children of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham:
'‘All nations will be blessed through you.’ So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith. All who rely on observing the law are under a curse, for it is written: ‘Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.’ Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, ‘The righteous will live by faith’” Galatians 3:6-11
The difference between us is I try to believe the whole Bible.
Yup, and Paul still said the New Covenant was typed by the salvation of the Jews--after salvation, they sinned and fell under God's wrath and didn't inherit the promise, and the same can happen to Christians today (1 Co 9:26 - 1 Co 10).
You try to believe the whole Bible?
How would “ YOU “ do that?
Where does your understanding of God’s word come from?
I've listened to, and read, many different teachers. No single person has all knowledge.
Oh but it does matter.
You aren’t understanding what it truly means to be Born Again.....you are in complete ignorance of what it truly means to be Born of God.
That’s all I have to say on the matter...your post spoke for itself..imo.
A Born Again is led through scripture by the Holy Spirit...
How else could they understand scripture...if they weren’t Born of God?
A Born Again walks in the Spirit...not in the flesh?
Well, it's funny that the "born again" Protestant is supposedly led by the Spirit through Scripture, yet disagrees with all the early church on doctrinal matters. I guess you were the first in history to be led by the Spirit.
This of course is nonsense.
You're not led by the spirit, you're led by your indoctrination to arrive at nonsensical conclusions.
Is this like answering a fool in his folly; Proverbs 26:4/5 or perhaps agreeing with the adversary while in the way with...... Matthew 5:25 !
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