They should correct their child, and train him/her up in the way they should go. Amigo de Christo gave a good example of how his father easily dealt with a potential problem, and it was not abusive and worked. What you shouldn't do is encourage and "support" your child to go in the wrong direction! Don't let the devil get a foothold, isn't that what the word says? Nip it in the bud while it is easy to do, before it becomes a stronghold. Problem is people don't know the difference between a wrong direction and a right one these days and parents themselves are confused as to what to do....and you're right, churches aren't much help, they themselves don't know. But the word of God gives us the answer, and we are always free to ASK Him, if only we would believe and heed what He says. But we need ears to hear don't we, if we are to learn, that is another problem. For example, in these discussions some people apparently were deaf to the simple answer and light that was given and carry on refusing the light but seem to prefer their own stumbling and bumping into walls in the dark.
WWJD with LGBTQ?
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In reference to what?
Lizbeth said:
His church is NOT of this world.....our citizenship is in heaven and we are strangers and pilgrims just passing through this world.
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If anyone was brave enough to actually watch the videos I posted they would see the struggles
these parents went through when considering where they were headed.
Those who decide to go forward with their transgender identity will face a hard road ahead.
And most children grow out of it as they approach their teenage years. But not all...
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In response to my comment you said there is nothing to SEE here, so I just reminded that we are to walk by faith NOT by sight.
Oh, I see. - LOLIn response to my comment you said there is nothing to SEE here, so I just reminded that we are to walk by faith NOT by sight.
Thanks, that's funny. =o)
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When believers don't know what sin is, they need instruction in the word of God. And nowadays there seem to be many called Christians who aren't certain about whether homosexuality is sinful or not. When I came to faith some sins fell off me automatically and miraculously, a work of God, but not all of them......I had a boyfriend at the time.....I started to wonder about it, but then reasoned in myself that it doesn't SEEM wrong or FEEL wrong and the sex wasn't hurting anybody......it wasn't until I saw the word fornication in the bible that I realized my relationship with my boyfriend needed to either end or change. When the Israelites came out of Egypt they brought many of their sins with them........and so the Law was added because of their transgressions......in other words they needed instruction as to what constituted sin and what righteousness looked like. Likewise as believers even though we have His laws written on our hearts, we easily can talk ourselves out of some of them (the Holy Spirit can be so gentle in His unctions and we may not recognize them at first until we begin to learn how) unless/until we are instructed in the truth. The apostles didn't hold back on teaching what sin is and how and why we need to stop sinning the sins we sinned when we were back in "Egypt". They wrote that the Law is good when it is used properly ( ie, in the new way of the Spirit, I believe).
The more a person desires after Yahava, and look towards Him, I am sure they will feel some type of way when they do wrong to their neighbor, lash out in hatred, and things of that nature that comes from our own nature to do. Greed, lust, so on and so forth. Going along with faithlessness isn't gonna bring you to Yahava, who is ready and willing to work on us where we are in our lives, and the only way to renew the mind is by use of the bible. I agree.
Romans 12:1-3
Living Sacrifices to God
12 I beseech[a] you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your [b]reasonable service. 2 And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.Serve God with Spiritual Gifts
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.
The Spirit and the law are in contradiction. IMO (the letter kills) The "spirit of the law" is not biblical. (a legal term)
Galatians 3:12 NIV
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary...
2 Corinthians 3:6 NIV
... the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
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The Law is good, its for the lawless and rebellious, according to what Paul wrote to Timothy.
1 Timothy 1:3-11.
3As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines 4or devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculation rather than the stewardship of God’s work, which is by faith.a
5The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith. 6Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert.
8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave tradersb and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching 11that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.
Who does that law bring us to? The one that is needed? Yeshua.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is an end of law for righteousness to everyone who is believing,
Perhaps that is why it is good that in just about all countries there is a "Jailing system."
Eternally Grateful
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amigo de christo
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Because HIS CHURCH , HIS KINGDOM , is NOT of this world .
Men have tried , under guise of wrong thinking , to try and establish the KINGDOM on earth through
Mens ideals . men trying to create a utopia upon earth .
Our mission is not to create WORLD peace . RATHER its to bring men to the PEACE of GOD .
BELIEVE ME the peace of GOD gets in the way of the peace of men .
CAUSE to men the only way to attain peace on earth is to find a way to get and to bring the nations and peoples together
REGARDLESS OF THEIR BELIEFS , sins or etc .
The peace of GOD can only be attained one way . And while in this world we have to understand
there will never be peace between those who dont believe and those who do believe .
FOR THERE IS NO WAY DARNKESS AND LIGHT can find common ground , peace or any kind of unity or agreement .
THE DARKNESS WILL HATE THE LIGHT .
THE PEACE OF GOD is the gospel of CHRIST . aka WE GOTTA PREACH n TEACH THE DIRE NECESSITY TO BELIEVE ON
JESUS CHRIST. and jesus wont save , ONLY JESUS will save . Oh wait you might be wondering why
ONE JESUS is capitlized and another jesus aint . The answer is in the statement i just made , CAUSE another jesus
contrary to GOD , to THE JESUS OF the bible , BE A FALSE ONE . its love cannot save it is the dragon working
under guise of the name of JESUS .
WE also SHOULD KNOW , there will be no WORLD PEACE , no peace in this world .
THAT WILL COME in the NEW WORLD , the new heavens and the new earth . WHERE THOSE WHO BELIEVED IN JESUS
in THIS LIFE , will one day be forever .
TILL THEN , NO PEACE . men will try very hard to establish peace .
BUT IF We truly examined the bible and even history itself , we will see while many men have come
and many have come even in the name of JESUS , while others have not , BUT THEY too have come to
establish what they called and considered to be PEACE . WAS ALWAYS ABOUT POWER AND CONTROL .
AND IT ALWAYS HAS AND ALWAYS WILL , SO LONG AS THIS OLD WORLD EXISTS , bring blood shed .
The pope is false , most all of even the protestant realms leaders and peoples are false .
THE IDEA of world peace and safety will never occur in this world . IT WILL IN THE NEXT but not in this world .
Men whose hopes are in men have always been led astray into the guise of their leaders ideals about peace n safety .
And it dont matter whose side preached it . IT was always about one thing , POWER and CONTROL
and it has always led to one thing , THE BLOOD of all who resisted its ideals .
We about to see this experienced on the largest scale ever seen or recorded by men .
My advice is , hope not , trust not , cling not to men . not to popes , not to politics , CLING TO CHRIST
and not to anti christ . WE BESS BIBLE UP and fast . for many many many decievers do abound .
BIBLE TIME . TIME TO LEARN THAT GOD , TIME TO LEARN HIS CHRIST , for ourselves , OR BE DECIEVED , the choice is yours .
MY cry and constant reminder is , CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom ye gonna serve , trust , hope in and cling too .
IT BETTER BE GOD , CHRIST , aka the one in that bible and not the one rather created of men through their own
ideologies . IT CANNOT SAVE but one thing it can do is , GRAVE . its death and leadeth only to the second death .
OPEN BIBLES . learn for yourselves that which GOD INSPIRED .
Do you remember our discussion about man-made doctrine?
I have more bad news for you. Are you ready?
The Bible was translated by flawed humans.
Have you seen this?
Aionios mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.
All these verses below use the same NT Greek word, "aionios",
the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in Matthew 25:46.
See bold below. This shows that "aionios" cannot mean eternal or everlasting.
Matthew 13:22
The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life
and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.
Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
1 Corinthians 1:20
Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age?
Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?
1 Corinthians 2:8
None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Ephesians 2:2
in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the
kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient.
Galatians 1:4-5 KJV
Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world,
according to the will of God and our Father:5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Luke 18:29-30
“Truly I tell you,” Jesus said to them, “no one who has left home or wife
or brothers or sisters or parents or children for the sake of the kingdom of God
30 will fail to receive many times as much in this age, and in the age to come eternal life.”
Compare: Matthew 12:32; Mark 10:30; Luke 18:30; Luke 20:35; Ephesians 1:21
Aionios, the Greek word mistranslated as "eternal" and "everlasting" in the Bible (eternal hell?)
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amigo de christo
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YES the LAW IS GOOD and WHO is it used for , the lawless , DIS OBEDIANT , rebellious .The Law is good, its for the lawless and rebellious, according to what Paul wrote to Timothy.
1 Timothy 1:3-11.
3As I urged you on my departure to Macedonia, you should stay on at Ephesus to instruct certain men not to teach false doctrines 4or devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies, which promote speculation rather than the stewardship of God’s work, which is by faith.a
5The goal of our instruction is the love that comes from a pure heart, a clear conscience, and a sincere faith. 6Some have strayed from these ways and turned aside to empty talk. 7They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not understand what they are saying or that which they so confidently assert.
8Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately. 9We realize that law is not enacted for the righteous, but for the lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinful, for the unholy and profane, for killers of father or mother, for murderers, 10for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave tradersb and liars and perjurers, and for anyone else who is averse to sound teaching 11that agrees with the glorious gospel of the blessed God, with which I have been entrusted.
Who does that law bring us to? The one that is needed? Yeshua.
Romans 10:4 For Christ is an end of law for righteousness to everyone who is believing,
THE LAW can be used for correction and instruction .
SO , how come we aint using the law for those who are disobediant and lawless .
I mean man with man must be corrected By the law . USE IT to correct , BUT NEVER USE IT FOR THE IDEA
that one can attain to RIGHTEOUSNESS BY IT . NO we gotta preach JESUS FOR THAT . HE ALONE is how
we attain to righteousness , even , yes even the righteousness of the law .
SO STOP putting rainbows up in churches under the guise its love and JESUS is fine with it .
NOPE ITS GOTTA BE CORRECTED . USE THE LAW TO CORRECT IT . EXPOSE IT AS THE WICKED SIN IT IS
EXPOSE any and all sin as the wicked SIN IT IS . SIN IS AS THE REBELLION OF WITCHCRAFT .
USE the law to correct SIN . USE THE LAW to also show men THERE IS NONE that is righteous
that all indeed DO NEED , NEED ..............now take heed ............NEED TO BELEIVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
FLING universal all inclusivness to the trash where it belongs , FOR IT DOES NOT SAVE , but only shall grave .
TIME TO MAKE BIBLICAL CORRECTION GREAT AGAIN . YOU ever wonder why paul even used the law
in quite a few of his letters . NOT TO JUSTFIY , NO HE SPOKE BIG TIME AGAINST TRYING TO JUSTIFY oneself
by the law . RATHER TO CORRECT those in error . Murder is sin , Homosexuality is sin
SIN is sin and must be corrected . USE the law as a method to correct , but never as a method to JUSTIFY .
amigo de christo
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TORAH was rewritten over the years by the jews . BUT IT DIDNT mean the problem was in TORAH
The problem was in men who led the people astray . THE BIBLE IS ACCURATE
its men who are the problem . men who either twist it , omit parts of it , TO FIT TO THEIR OWN agendas and teachings .
GOD is and has always been in control . LEARN IT FOR YOU . stop learning it through the harlot
for she twists things and so do her children . OPEN BIBLE , READ BIBLE . STOP TRUSTING IN MEN . TRUST IN GOD ALONE .
STOP TRUSTING IN charlatons . Charlatons who have fast sold out and sell their churches out
to the lie . THE LIE that cometh in the name of a false love to gather the world and her religoins to be as one .
IT HAS TROD JESUS UNDER FOOT . I SHUN IT TO HADES , had i the power to do so .
But i have not that power , but i do have , by grace the ability to expose the lie and that i will do no matter the cost .
YOU ALL are being decieved big time . Take note the word you and ALL means more than one .
MANY ARE BEING DUPED In these last days and hours upon earth . BIBLE TIME . learn it well FOR YOU
and then test all men against THE TRUTH IN THAT BIBLE .
Eternally Grateful
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I see what you are talking about as man made
Once a person dies. They have no way to repent. So their death will be forever.
jesus sends them to the lake of fire to be with satan and his angels.
Since they can never be saved after this then they are cast out forever.
Doesnot matter what AIONIOS can mean, when you interpret it with the word to get context. Forever is the only interpretation
Eternally Grateful
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I did not say anythign about your spiritual condition. I said you do not understand the difference
BlessedPeace
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It did answer your question. You just don't agree with it.
The fallen mind wants their sins to be accepted by the church , and while being accepted as such by it also. And when that cannot happen,they cry victim,accuse homophobia, and then start their own temples of sin they wrongly label churches, where they claim to be accepted among themselves there.
They even go so far as to blaspheme and denegrate the Bible by writing their own. Omitting what they insist are the clobber verses. Those passages they refuse to accept that describe their sins and condemn them as such.
No,the real church of God does not ever shun sinners. It actually loves them enough to call them to repent of those sins,and be brought into a new and better life.
I know that won't reach you.
It isn't written for that purpose.
Rather,it is written to reach those who may happen upon this thread and are actually homosexual,while seeking a way to peace and redemption from the emptiness and misery within that leads them to want to save themselves from the misery within that makes them journey for salvation.
And contrary to what their enemies posit against that effort, it isn't the straight Christian community and church that leads them unto self loathing.
It's their fallen nature that is overwhelmed by having fallen that far.
I pray for you and all those accounts that attend Christian forums in an effort to harass. You are pathetic. And that is deeply sad.
That's what we were taught as evangelicals. Man-made doctrine.
Have you heard of the Harrowing of Hell? It has already happened once.
Matthew 12:40
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish,
so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Note: Christ was laid in an above ground tomb. Where is the heart of the earth?
Answer: the realm of the dead
1 Peter 3:18-20
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.
He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—
20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah
while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,
Ephesians 4:8-10
This is why it says: “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?
10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.)
1 Peter 4:6 NRSV
For this is the reason the gospel was proclaimed even to the dead, so that,
though they had been judged in the flesh as everyone is judged, they might live in the spirit as God does.
Romans 14:9
For this very reason, Christ died and returned to life so that he might be the Lord of both the dead and the living.
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