Following the UnCut Word Of God!

[GracePeace]

I need some Book on that, not a random answer.

Romans 2:6-16, 26, 27, as I have stated many times already.

 

[GracePeace]

How are they doer of the law if they don't know the law?

As already stated, because the Promise of the New Covenant is God will write His Law on the heart of the partaker of the New Covenant by His Spirit.

 

[knothead]

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Observations about the law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law - four different things

- What's the difference between the law and the Law? (capital L) - What's the difference between the law and God's law? - What's the difference between the law, God's law, and Christ's law? The law, the Law, God's law, Christ's law; four different things. Agree, or disagree? Points...

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[knothead]

It's written in 2 John 6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
Also Paul says in Romans 15: 4 For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

imo the whole chapter of Gal 3 explains it very well and also Eph 2 whole chapter John 15 whole chapter

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Jesus clearly says keep His commandments ( the ones Jesus spoke while on earth ) as he has kept His fathers commandments ( old law )
When He said keep His comandments He could as easily have said keep My Fathers comandmnts BUT He didn't, making it clear.

 

[bro.tan]

imo the whole chapter of Gal 3 explains it very well and also Eph 2 whole chapter John 15 whole chapter

Well, let's go into Galatians 3: 1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Romans 3:21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Thats two laws Paul is taking about there, let's back up a little, (Rom. 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The deeds of the law is referring to the animal sacrificial laws, all those sacrifices can never remove sins, so they could never be justified. This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. The animal sacrificial laws was added because people continue to sin, and the wages of sin bring for death. So instead of God killing people every time they sin, the Lord gave Moses a law to use, animals. So by the other law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement) is the knowledge of sin. Now let's read Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.

Jesus clearly says keep His commandments ( the ones Jesus spoke while on earth ) as he has kept His fathers commandments ( old law )
When He said keep His comandments He could as easily have said keep My Fathers comandmnts BUT He didn't, making it clear.

Actually that was Jesus in the old testament, by the name of Jehovah. Jesus say in John 5: 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

 

[bro.tan]

As already stated, because the Promise of the New Covenant is God will write His Law on the heart of the partaker of the New Covenant by His Spirit.

I agree, all is left is to do it.

 

[bro.tan]

Romans 2:6-16, 26, 27, as I have stated many times already.

Yeah but one must understand Romans 2:11-13

 

[bro.tan]

The Gentile believers are "doers of the Law", though they don't know the Law, because the Law is written on their hearts by the Spirit, which is the promise of the New Covenant (Jer 31).

Then they should be keeping the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week as the prophets, apostles and Jesus.

 

[BlessedPeace]

Let's reply with the word of God if possible, that way we can keep fellowship using the Bible and not so much our words.

You are debating with one who is an adversary of the word. Fellowship is not their intention here . Just as a bit of insight.

 

[GracePeace]

Well, let's go into Galatians 3: 1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.


Thats two laws Paul is taking about there, let's back up a little, (Rom. 3:20) Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sights for by the law is the knowledge of sin. The deeds of the law is referring to the animal sacrificial laws, all those sacrifices can never remove sins, so they could never be justified. This is true because the blood of Jesus can only justify us. The animal sacrificial laws was added because people continue to sin, and the wages of sin bring for death. So instead of God killing people every time they sin, the Lord gave Moses a law to use, animals. So by the other law (Ten Commandments, statutes and Judgement) is the knowledge of sin. Now let's read Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. You wouldn’t know what sin was if there was no law.


Actually that was Jesus in the old testament, by the name of Jehovah. Jesus say in John 5: 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

1. You don't have a leg to stand on. How are the Gentile believers deemed "doers of the Law" without the Law? Lol
No, the Law isn't nullified by faith, because those who serve not in the oldnesss of the letter but in the newness of the Spirit are "doers of the Law" (Ro 2).

2. LOL nope, we know what "the Law" refers to from Gal 4:21 "tell me you who desires to be under the Law, do you not hear the Law?"

He the proceeds to cite the Torah on the story of Abraham, etc, so "the Law" refers to the Torah, and the Torah indeed was given at Sinai all those hundreds of years later after Abraham.

The schoolmaster to bring us to Christ is the Torah--and we know it's not about sacrifices, because the Galatians weren't struggling with sacrifices, they were struggling with circumcision, observing special days, etc, (that Paul was trying to get them to step away from) which Colossians says are all a shadow, and Heb 10 says are a type, and all of the Torah is to lead us Christ (eg, the Bronze Serpent was about Christ), as Christ said, Moses spoke of Me".

 

[GracePeace]

You are debating with one who is an adversary of the word. Fellowship is not their intention here . Just as a bit of insight.

LOL youre literally defending a Judaizing heretic who believes Christians are under the Law of Moses because you have no answers for your own petty grievances that your falsehoods are disproven. You really ought to check yourself .

 

[GracePeace]

Then they should be keeping the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week as the prophets, apostles and Jesus.

Nope, 7th Day Sabbath commemorates God's rest after creating the old creation, but we're a new creation: since God created anew, He rested anew, and there is no obligation that I commemorate the old rest from creating the old creation.

 

[GracePeace]

Yeah but one must understand Romans 2:11-13

How does vv11-13 disprove vv6-16, 26, 27? Tell us. Lol

 

[bro.tan]

How does vv11-13 disprove vv6-16, 26, 27? Tell us. Lol

Because it's all about Jesus and keeping the law (Commandments) that include the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week.

 

[bro.tan]

Nope, 7th Day Sabbath commemorates God's rest after creating the old creation, but we're a new creation: since God created anew, He rested anew, and there is no obligation that I commemorate the old rest from creating the old creation.

I'm going to need you to copy and paste scriptures and verses to prove your belief, just like I do.

My answer back to you is nope, because if that was the truth, Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16) Jesus did this because it's the law.

 

[bro.tan]

1. You don't have a leg to stand on. How are the Gentile believers deemed "doers of the Law" without the Law? Lol
No, the Law isn't nullified by faith, because those who serve not in the oldnesss of the letter but in the newness of the Spirit are "doers of the Law" (Ro 2).

2. LOL nope, we know what "the Law" refers to from Gal 4:21 "tell me you who desires to be under the Law, do you not hear the Law?"

He the proceeds to cite the Torah on the story of Abraham, etc, so "the Law" refers to the Torah, and the Torah indeed was given at Sinai all those hundreds of years later after Abraham.

The schoolmaster to bring us to Christ is the Torah--and we know it's not about sacrifices, because the Galatians weren't struggling with sacrifices, they were struggling with circumcision, observing special days, etc, (that Paul was trying to get them to step away from) which Colossians says are all a shadow, and Heb 10 says are a type, and all of the Torah is to lead us Christ (eg, the Bronze Serpent was about Christ), as Christ said, Moses spoke of Me".

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12). This is our last chance Brothers and Sister.

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood.

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

 

[GracePeace]

Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law (I John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). When Jesus (the true Lamb of God) was sacrificed, he removed our past sins. If we accept Jesus as our sin offering, we are required to repent and get baptized IN THE NAME OF JESUS ("there is none other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved..."(Acts 4: 12). This is our last chance Brothers and Sister.

To repent means to turn from our sinful ways and start obeying God's law. The water baptism signifies the washing away of our past sins. After repenting and being baptized in the name of Jesus it would be foolish for us to turn around and willingly break God's commandments. If we make an honest mistake Jesus can help us, but if we sin willingly, look out! "...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation..." (Hebrews 10:26-27). When Jesus died only the sacrificial law was done away with, alone with Leviticus priesthood.

We still must obey all of God's laws and statues of conduct, from the ten commandments to the least commandment. We cannot choose to obey one without obeying the others. For instance, if it's still good to pay tithes (as many preach), then it is still good to obey God's dietary law (not eating pork, catfish, etc...Leviticus 11:1-47). Similarly, you cannot purposely trip a blind person (Leviticus 19:14) and claim to love your neighbor as yourself. Neither can you break God's Sabbath days (Leviticus 19:30) and claim to love God with all your heart, soul and mind.

Many fight to uphold man's traditional holidays (Sunday the 1st day as the Sabbath, Christmas, Easter and Halloween), but few are obeying God's Holy Days (Saturday the 7th day Sabbath, the Passover, Pentecost, etc...Leviticus 23:1-44). All of God's laws are still good and must be obeyed if we want eternal life. We might not be able to observe everything perfectly, but can fight a good fight. If we do this our prize awaits us at the end. "...if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments" (Matthew 19:17).

Already answered this.

 

[GracePeace]

I'm going to need you to copy and paste scriptures and verses to prove your belief, just like I do.

My answer back to you is nope, because if that was the truth, Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16) Jesus did this because it's the law.

Jesus didn't exist on it New Creation. Plus He was under Law. We are not.

 

[GracePeace]

Because it's all about Jesus and keeping the law (Commandments) that include the sabbath day on the seventh day of the week.

Yes, Jesus was under Law, and didn't exist in the New Creation, we are not under Law and are in the New Creation.

 

[bro.tan]

Yes, Jesus was under Law, and didn't exist in the New Creation, we are not under Law and are in the New Creation.

Book, chapter. and verse, please copy and paste.