Proselyting Techniques of Mormon Missionaries

[Jane_Doe22]

Note: Joseph Smith ain't anyone's Savior. Christ is MY Savior (+yours too). I'm here to follow the Son of God and talk about Him.

One thing I notice about "anti" folks, whether they be anti-Mormon or anti-Catholic, or whatever is that why don't focus on Christ & folks relationships with Him. They'd rather talk about how Joseph Smith was a sinner (obvious fact) or the pope, or whatever their pet topic is. But always skipping over Christ and love of Him.

 

[The Learner]

I'd advise STRONGLY against this one, as it's full of Satan style half-truth. No Christian, no matter their denomination, needs that.

again all they are doing is printing early and modern lds materials --- there is nothing wrong with that.

 

[The Learner]

5000%.

He is MY King, Savior, and Lord. The very divine Son of God, creator of the world. Only way to salvation. He pulled me out of darkness, gave me hope and preserved me when life has just been terrible.

If I remember correctly, "Jesus created the earth under the direction of God the Father. Since all matter is co-eternal with God, creation of the earth was not performed ex nihilo. Rather, God performed creation by organizing pre-existing matter."

God of the Bible, created the matter in Gen 1:1 and then used it to form, make stuff.
Hebrew words found there: bara (בָּרָא, to create) and asah (עָשָׂה, to make or do).

Verb. בָּרָא • (bará) (pa'al construction, passive counterpart נִבְרָא‎) To create (when act of a deity).

 

[David in NJ]

Please define Holy Spirit?

a little humor:

ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS = THANK YOU

 

[Jane_Doe22]

If I remember correctly, "Jesus created the earth under the direction of God the Father. Since all matter is co-eternal with God, creation of the earth was not performed ex nihilo. Rather, God performed creation by organizing pre-existing matter."

God of the Bible, created the matter in Gen 1:1 and then used it to form, make stuff.
Hebrew words found there: bara (בָּרָא, to create) and asah (עָשָׂה, to make or do).

Verb. בָּרָא • (bará) (pa'al construction, passive counterpart נִבְרָא‎) To create (when act of a deity).

Before we go and argue whether or not the Bible ex nihilo, first can you acknowledge my relationship with Christ?

Call it PTSD (because it is), but I've been through too many conversations where the person just argues their small pet points and totally skips talking about Christ and saving relationship with Him (which is the big point).

 

[The Learner]

How do you friend understand: "And if ye shall say there is no law, ye shall also say there is no sin. If ye shall say there is no sin, ye shall also say there is no righteousness. And if there be no righteousness there be no happiness. And if there be no righteousness nor happiness there be no punishment nor misery. And if these things are not there is no God. And if there is no God we are not, neither the earth; for there could have been no creation of things, neither to act nor to be acted upon; wherefore, all things must have vanished away." (2 Ne. 2:13)

For Roberts, this would seem to place God under explanation 2 of the law(s). The laws are eternal and God is God because God embodies them perfectly.

The attribute “Omnipotence” must needs be thought upon also as somewhat limited. Even God, notwithstanding the ascription to him of all-powerfulness in such scripture phrases as “With God all things are possible,” “Nothing shall be impossible with God”—notwithstanding all this, I say, not even God may have two mountain ranges without a valley between. Not even God may place himself beyond the boundary of space: nor on the outside of duration. Nor is it conceivable to human thought that he can create space, or annihilate matter. These are things that limit even God’s Omnipotence. What then, is meant by the ascription of the attribute Omnipotence to God? Simply that all that may or can be done by power conditioned by other eternal existences—duration, space, matter, truth, justice—God can do. But even he may not act out of harmony with the other eternal existences which condition or limit even him.14
The statement that God’s power is limited by other eternal existences including truth and justice would seem to bring this part of Roberts’s stance closer to position 3. In order for the universe that includes persons to emerge, each person has a kind of eternal power that limits the other persons, powers, and laws. These eternal existences include duration, space, and matter but also truth and justice. Other eternal existences, including other eternal intelligences, limit God’s power. Latter-day Saints occasionally sing a hymn that reflects this position: “Know This, That Every Soul Is Free,” which includes the line “God will force no man to heav’n.”15 This relates to Alma 42:13 in the Book of Mormon where Alma declares that should God’s mercy rob justice, “God would cease to be God.” This is how Brigham Young understood the passage. God seems subject to some eternal principles, whether laws or tenets arising from his relation to other persons. He explains this in a discourse from 1866.

The volition of the creature is free; this is a law of their existence and the Lord cannot violate his own law; were he to do that, he would cease to be God. He has placed life and death before his children, and it is for them to choose. If they choose life, they receive the blessing of life; if they choose death, they must abide the penalty. This is a law which has always existed from all eternity, and will continue to exist throughout all the eternities to come.16

In 1853 Young outlined what he believed were two eternal principles: increase and destruction. These were eternal.

The Lord Jesus Christ works upon a plan of eternal increase, of wisdom, intelligence, honor, excellence, power, glory, might, and dominion, and the attributes that fill eternity. What principle does the devil work upon? It is to destroy, dissolve, decompose, and tear in pieces. The principle of separation, or disorganization, is as much an eternal principle, as much a truth, as that of organization. Both always did and will exist. Can I point out to you the difference in these principles, and show clearly and satisfactorily the benefit, the propriety, and the necessity of acting upon one, any more than the other?17

These two eternal principles echo Lehi’s discussion of order and dissolution of order in 2 Nephi 2:11 and in 2:27 of choosing between liberty and eternal life or captivity and death, increase or dissolution: “Wherefore, men are free according to the flesh; and all things are given them which are expedient unto man. And they are free to choose liberty and eternal life, through the great Mediator of all men, or to choose captivity and death, according to the captivity and power of the devil; for he seeketh that all men might be miserable like unto himself” (2 Ne. 2:27).

 

[The Learner]

sources

Is God Subject to or the Creator of Eternal Law? - BYU Studies

Whether God is subject to law or whether God created all law is a question long debated in priesthood quorums, Relief Society meetings, Gospel Doctrine classes, and around Latter-day Saint dinner tables. Both sides claim the scriptures and the Prophet … Continued

byustudies.byu.edu

 

[The Learner]

I'd say that is 7,000,000% Divine, Holy, Just and AWESOME

We are ETERNALLY related and SAVED by HIS BLOOD

Do Mormons believe God is on a planet?
Mormon cosmology - Wikipedia
A prevailing view among Mormons is that God once lived on a planet with his own higher god. According to Mormon scripture, the Earth's creation was not ex nihilo, but organized from existing matter.

 

[Wrangler]

Here is the scripture you seek:

John 10:17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”

No sir. Not only does this verse not support your claim, your entire reply is not responsive. Carry on wayward son.

What techniques to convert people to Christ do you support?

 

[Wrangler]

This guy has made some very good videos on Joseph Smith.

https://www.youtube.com/@danvogel6802/videos

I'll watch it later this week.

 

[The Learner]

Christ is the Hope of the world.
Christ in you is the Hope of GLORY!

Zion hears and is glad,
And the daughters of Judah rejoice
Because of Your judgments, O Lord.
For You, Lord, are most high above all the earth;
You are exalted far above all gods.

You who love the Lord, hate evil!
He preserves the souls of His saints;
He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.
Light is sown for the righteous,
And gladness for the upright in heart.
Rejoice in the Lord, you righteous,
And give thanks at the remembrance of His Holy Name.
Psalm 97

Isaiah 43:10

Easy-to-Read Version

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10 The Lord says, “You people are my witnesses and the servant I chose. I chose you so that you would help people believe me. I chose you so that you would understand that ‘I Am He’—I am the true God. There was no God before me, and there will be no God after me.

Mormon 7:7
7 And he hath brought to pass the aredemption of the bworld, whereby he that is found cguiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to ddwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the echoirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are fone God, in a state of ghappiness which hath no end.

Mormon 7:7 “And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.”

“Verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one” (3 Nephi 11:27).

(3 Nephi
19:23 And now Father, I apray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them bas thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.



Later JS & others taught:

The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 130:22

 

[The Learner]

Christ is the Hope of the world.
Christ in you is the Hope of GLORY!

Zion hears and is glad,
And the daughters of Judah rejoice
Because of Your judgments, O Lord.
For You, Lord, are most high above all the earth;
You are exalted far above all gods.

You who love the Lord, hate evil!
He preserves the souls of His saints;
He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked.
Light is sown for the righteous,
And gladness for the upright in heart.
Rejoice in the Lord, you righteous,
And give thanks at the remembrance of His Holy Name.
Psalm 97

Also in A Sure Foundation: Answers to Difficult Gospel Questions, 5-11. Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1988. Doxey explains, citing many scriptures, how the Book of Mormon “does indeed teach that God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost are three separate beings and that the Father and the Son are not personages of spirit.”

 

[David in NJ]

Isaiah 43:10​

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Easy-to-Read Version​

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10 The Lord says, “You people are my witnesses and the servant I chose. I chose you so that you would help people believe me. I chose you so that you would understand that ‘I Am He’—I am the true God. There was no God before me, and there will be no God after me.

Mormon 7:7
7 And he hath brought to pass the aredemption of the bworld, whereby he that is found cguiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to ddwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the echoirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are fone God, in a state of ghappiness which hath no end.

Mormon 7:7 “And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.”

“Verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one” (3 Nephi 11:27).

(3 Nephi
19:23 And now Father, I apray unto thee for them, and also for all those who shall believe on their words, that they may believe in me, that I may be in them bas thou, Father, art in me, that we may be cone.



Later JS & others taught:

The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit.

DOCTRINE AND COVENANTS 130:22

The FATHER has a flesh body?

Do you believe this?

 

[Raccoon1010]

No sir. Not only does this verse not support your claim, your entire reply is not responsive. Carry on wayward son.

What techniques to convert people to Christ do you support?

What techniques to convert do I support?

I support the truth. For instance I might explain that God is a loving God that is our Creator and Father. And that heaven is a place of peace and rest, it is paradise. And that one day we might be part of God's family as his children in new and everlasting resurrected bodies. To live forever in a loving family under God.

I might also explain that we can feel the Holy Spirit which guides us in service to God. We feel the fruits of the Holy Spirit: Galatians 5:22-23. And if we are allowed into heaven and become like the angels we can serve God and feel those fruits in great measure, some of which are love, peace and joy.

I would also show that a testament of Christ was created in the bible, from the old testament and sacrifices to the new testament. And that he died to save us that we can once again be with God, us imperfect people, and that these imperfections, like anger, jealousy, coveting, unrighteous lust, are imperfections we call sins.

I would also explain that the commandments of God show us how to be part of God's loving family, to share and not steal, or murder or bear false witness ect. These commandments are meant to create a peaceful existence for God's family to live within, loving and joyous.

I'm sure I can come up with more, but for now that should be enough for the post.

 

[The Learner]

Biggest commonalities between LDS Christians and other Christians:

- Jesus Christ is Lord & Savior. The divine Son of God, creator of the world, born of a virgin, lived a perfect life, suffered & died for our sins, resurrected on the 3rd day, etc.
-Salvation comes only through faith in Jesus Christ. You can't work your way to Heaven (that idea is laughable). At the same time, we don't believe in cheap grace (the "licenses to sin" idea), rather we try to follow Christ and His ways due to our love of Him. Two great commandments are to love God and love your neighbor.
-Heavenly Father and the Holy Spirit are also divine persons (+Christ who is another divine person). The Holy Spirit speaks to each of us and testifies of God's Truth.
- the Bible is God's words. We should study and follow them.

Biggest differences:
- LDS Christians don't limit God's words just to the Bible, rather believe that other texts are His words too + having an open cannon with modern day Apostles. There's also a huge emphasis on each person individually conversing with God.
- LDS Christians believe that a person's spirit existed for eternities before being born to mortal life.
- LDS Christians don't believe in Total Depravity or the Original Sin. We're all still children of God, even if prodigals whom walked away from the Father for a life of sin.
- LDS Christian view of the afterlife is different. Rather than a of "you died now go straight to Heaven or Hell", LDS Christians believe that a person can still accept Christ after their mortal death, and then final destinations is a good/better/best paradigm where at minimum everyone is resurrected and happy beyond their wildest dreams.

thank you for being frank

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www.churchofjesuschrist.org

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Mormonism’s founder, Joseph Smith, clearly rejected the Trinity when he wrote, “Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God. I say that is a strange God. . . . All are crammed into one God according to sectarianism [the Christian faith]. It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God—he would be a giant or a monster” (Teachings, p. 372).

The Doctrine of Many Gods​

Mormonism teaches Jesus is one of three Gods that constitute the Godhead (Articles of Faith, by Talmage, pp. 35-40). These three Gods are: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. And this directly contradicts to what the Bible teaches that there is only One God in three Persons (Isaiah 43:10; 44:6, 8; 45:5).

Man Can Become a God​

Mormons believe that God is an exalted man who earned His divinity by good works (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345). But this clearly contradicts the Bible, which states that God has existed as the God of the universe from eternity past (Revelation 1:8; 1 Timothy 1:17; 6:15–16; Psalm 102:24–27). And God was never a man (Numbers 23:19; 1 Samuel 15:29; Hosea 11:9).

Mormons also believe that humans can become gods through good works here on earth (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345–354). But the Bible teaches that no man can ever become like God (1 Samuel 2:2; Isaiah 43:10–11; 44:6; 45:21–22). This false teaching was first presented by Satan to Eve in the garden of Eden (Genesis 3:5).

Thus, in Mormon theology, the number of gods is increasing as every man can be a god of another planet and populate it with children born to him from his eternal wife (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 345-354). And any one of those children can later also become a god (Doctrine & Covenants 132:20).

Jesus and Lucifer Were Brothers​

Mormons teach that Jesus is just one of many sons of God. He is considered “a son of God” (Alma 36:17). And Lucifer, or the devil, is another son of God (Mormon Doctrine, p.163). And Jesus is considered a created being, the first spirit to be born of the Father (Mormon Doctrine, p.129) and a celestial mother (Mormon Doctrine, p.516).

God Is Flesh and Bones"​

Do Mormons believe in the one God?

Because Mormonism contradicts the clear teachings of the Bible on the Godhead, especially, and on many other major doctrines as well, they are not considered Christian. Let's review some of their un-biblical beliefs: Mormons' Rejection of

bibleask.org

 

[The Learner]

The idea that we become like God is Biblical, hence the provided verses. If you want some BOM specific references, here you go:

3 Nephi. 12:48: Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father. (This section is the BOM's Christ teaching the Sermon on the Mount)

3 Nephi 27:27 And know ye that ye shall be judges of this people, according to the judgment which I shall give unto you, which shall be just. Therefore, what manner of men ought ye to be? Verily I say unto you, even as I am.

3 Nephi 28:10 And for this cause ye shall have fullness of joy; and ye shall sit down in the kingdom of my Father; yea, your joy shall be full, even as the Father hath given me fulness of joy; and ye shall be even as I am, and I am even as the Father; and the Father and I are one

please give links to quotes, so others can read the context.

In his journal dated February 19, 1854, Wilford Woodruff, who would later become Mormonism’s fourth president, wrote that Brigham Young “said that our God was Father Adam. He was the Father of the Savior Jesus Christ — Our God was no more or less than ADAM, Michael the Arkangel (sic).” ...
It may surprise some, but Brigham Young’s Adam-God connection is in harmony with the teachings of Joseph Smith. It was Joseph Smith who declared that Adam was, in fact, the Ancient of Days. Doctrine and Covenants 27:11; 116:1; 138:38 all state that Adam is the Ancient of Days.

Joseph Smith even attempted to get the Bible to concur with this thought when he said, “Daniel in his seventh chapter speaks of the Ancient of Days, he means the oldest man, our Father Adam…” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 157). Smith was referring to Daniel 7:13 which reads, “I saw the night visions, and behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of Days and they brought him near before him.”

 

[The Learner]

https://www.mrm.org/files/tracts/Moroni818.pdf

Review of Books – Mormonism Research Ministry

www.mrm.org

1)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that Elohim (God the Father in Mormonism) was once a mortal man and that he was not always God?
2)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that God has a body of flesh and bones?
3)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that God is married in heaven?
4)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that men can become Gods?
5)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that temple participation is necessary to become exalted?
6)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach Jesus and Lucifer are brothers?
7)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach the blood of Christ does not cleanse certain sins? 8)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that a person can lose his salvation if he is not baptized on behalf of dead relatives?
9)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say there is more than one God?
10)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say males must hold either the Aaronic or Melchizedek Priesthood?
11)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say you can’t drink coffee or tea?
12)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that there are “three degrees of glory”?
13)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that the Holy Ghost is a son of God just as Jesus is a son of God?
14)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that polygamy was approved by God?
15)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say that if a man wishes to be saved he must have a woman by his side?
16)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say that faithful members must wear sacred undergarments that have the power to protect them?
17)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say that official church doctrine must be voted on by the general membership?
18)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say that the Black race (seed of Cain) survived the flood because the devil needed a representation on earth?
19)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it say that God is the offspring of another God who, in turn, is the offspring of still another God, etc.?
20)_______ Where in the Book of Mormon does it teach that the highest level within the celestial kingdom is the “Church of the firstborn"?

Answers here:https://www.mrm.org/files/tracts/TestYourKnowledge.pdf

 

[The Learner]

Adam was not a son, but the father of all mankind: What, then, is the significance of the "Second Adam" being "the Son of Man" not "Father of Man"?

Jesus is called the "last Adam" or "second man (Adam)": And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. . . . The f...

hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

 

[The Learner]

Adam was not a son, but the father of all mankind: What, then, is the significance of the "Second Adam" being "the Son of Man" not "Father of Man"?

Jesus is called the "last Adam" or "second man (Adam)": And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. . . . The f...

hermeneutics.stackexchange.com

Evidence This list is currently being developed​

Circa July, 1839	Joseph Smith	History of the Church, 3:385-88
February 16, 1847	Brigham Young	Wilford Woodruff's Journal, Vol. 3, p. 132
April 9, 1852	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses 1:50-51
April 9, 1852	Hosea Stout	Hosea Stout Journal, vol. 2, p. 436
April 9, 1852	Wilford Woodruff	Wilford Woodruff's Journal
April 10, 1852	Wilford Woodruff	Wilford Woodruff's Journal
April 16, 1852	Samuel Holister Rogers	Journal of Samuel Holister Rogers 1:179
August 28, 1852	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, volume 6, p. 275
November 26, 1853		Millennial Star, no. 48, vol. 15
December 10, 1853		Millennial Star No. 50, vol. 15
February 19, 1854	Wildford Woodruff	Wilford Woodruff's Journal, vol. 4, p. 250
August 26, 1854	Franklin D. Richards	Millenial Star, August 26, 1854, vol.16, p.534
October 6, 1854	Joseph Lee Robinson	Diary of Joseph Lee Robinson, Oct. 6, 1854, pg. 102-103
October 8, 1854	Brigham Young	Unpublished Brigham Young Discourse LDS General Conference - October 8, 1854 - Brigham Young Papers, Ms d 1234 ff marked: Addresses-1854, July - Oct.
May 6, 1855	Wilford Woodruff	Journal of Wilford Woodruff, CHO, Ms/f/115; May 6, 1855
December 15, 1855	Franklin D. Richards	Millennial Star, Vol 17:785-786
March 11, 1856	Wildford Woodruff	Journal of Wilford Woodruff
April 20, 1856	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses 3:319-320
June 29, 1856	Heber C. Kimball	Journal of Discourses, 4:1
1856		Sacred Hymns and Spiritual Songs for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 11th Edition, Liverpool, 1856
February 8, 1857	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, pp. 217-219
March 8, 1857	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 271
October 7, 1857	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 331-332
October 9, 1859	Brigham Young	Journal of Dicourses, vol. 7, pp. 285-290
April 4, 1860		Minutes of Meeting, at Historian's Office
April 5, 1860		Minutes of the Meeting of the Council of the Twelve
June 12, 1860	Heber C. Kimball	Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, pp. 243-24
June 27, 1860	Brigham Young	Deseret News
September 4, 1860	Wildford Woodruff	Journal of Wilford Woodruff
October 14, 1860	Brigham Young	Journal of Wilford Woodruff
February 3, 1861	John D. Lee	The Diaries of John D. Lee
October 8, 1861	Brigham Young	Brigham Young Papers
January 12, 1862	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 9, pp. 147-150
November 6, 1862	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, pp. 353-357
July 8, 1863	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 10, pp. 230-231
December 16, 1867	Wilford Woodruff	Journal of Wilford Woodruff
January 24, 1868	Wilford Woodruff	Undetermined
June 8, 1868	Orson Pratt and Brigham Young	Minutes of the School of the Prophets, Provo, Utah, 1868-71, p. 38
July 4, 1868		Historian's Office Journal
December 11, 1869	Brigham Young	Journal History
April 18, 1870	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, pp. 311
January 25, 1871	Jans Christian Anderson Weibye Daybooks	Jans Christian Anderson Weibye Daybooks

 

[The Learner]

May 7, 1871	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 14, p. 111
June 17, 1871	Joseph F. Smith	Joseph F. Smith Journal
June 8, 1873	Brigham Young	Deseret News, vol. 22, no. 308
June 18, 1873	Brigham Young	Deseret News, vol. 22, no. 308
August 31, 1873	Brigham Young	Journal of Discourses, vol. 16, p. 167
May 14, 1876	Brigham Young	Undetermined
February 7, 1877	John Nuttall	Quoted in David John Buerger's The Mysteries of Godliness: A History of Mormon Temple Worship, 111-112
February 10, 1877	John Nuttall	Journal of L. John Nuttall
February 12, 1877	John Nuttall	Journal of L. John Nuttall
February 13, 1877	John Nuttall	Journal of L. John Nuttall
1877	Edward Tullidge	Undetermined
1888	Abraham H. Cannon	Diary of Abraham H. Cannon