St. SteVen
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Won't we be surprised when we arrive in heaven to find he made zebras in his image? - LOL
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St. SteVen
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No warnings about these consequences.
What was the original sin?
- Adam misinforming his wife about touching the fruit?
- Eve destroying her husband?
- Adam listening to his wife instead of listening to God?
- Eating the forbidden fruit?
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I have not stopped, and in point of fact: it would be grossly dishonest of me
to claim otherwise. (1John 1:8-10)
Yes.
When I was a young guy coming of age, it occurred to me that if I were as
naturally pleasing to God as His son Jesus always is, then it would be very
easy to attain to Heaven and to stay in Heaven without fear of being kicked
out: that would be the cat's meow.
"He that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone; for I do always
those things that please Him." (John 8:29)
Well, in time I discovered that the plan of salvation incorporates a rather
mysterious surgical procedure whereby a man's natural-born human nature is
removed and he re-built with the divine nature. (Col 2:11 & 2Pet 1:4)
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I have not stopped, and in point of fact: it would be grossly dishonest of me
to claim otherwise. (1John 1:8-10)
Yes.
When I was a young guy coming of age, it occurred to me that if I were as
naturally pleasing to God as His son Jesus always is, then it would be very
easy to attain to Heaven and to stay in Heaven without fear of being kicked
out: that would be the cat's meow.
"He that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone; for I do always
those things that please Him." (John 8:29)
Well, in time I discovered that the plan of salvation incorporates a rather
mysterious surgical procedure whereby a man's natural-born human nature is
removed and he re-built with the divine nature. (Col 2:11 & 2Pet 1:4)
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With Adam's disobedience, the entire creation was subject to futility and the bondage of corruption.
From which it will someday be liberated.
We won't inherit a corrupted earth. The earth will be as perfected as ourselves in that Day.
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of [f]corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
St. SteVen
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Who is "We"?
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
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Only His church. Only believers in Christ are saved. Christ taught that many times, for the saints only..
Daniel 7 makes a reference to the saints inheriting the earth in v27.
21 “I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them, 22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.
23 “Thus he said:
‘The fourth beast shall be
A fourth kingdom on earth,
Which shall be different from all other kingdoms,
And shall devour the whole earth,
Trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings
Who shall arise from this kingdom.
And another shall rise after them;
He shall be different from the first ones,
And shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute[j] the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
26 ‘But the court shall be seated,
And they shall take away his dominion,
To consume and destroy it forever.
27 Then the kingdom and dominion,
And the greatness of the kingdoms under the whole heaven,
Shall be given to the people, the saints of the Most High.
His kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
And all dominions shall serve and obey Him.’
28 “This is the end of the [k]account. As for me, Daniel, my thoughts greatly troubled me, and my countenance changed; but I kept the matter in my heart.”
All men naturally born are in Adam. The body is dead becuase of sin as Romans 8 says.
'so in Christ all will be made alive'
If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation, the verse is talking about people in Christ, no, the unbelievers are not in Christ, as Romans 8 says also.
Flesh is flesh and spirit is spirit, you must be born again of the Spirit of God to inherit all things.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. 10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies [d]through His Spirit who dwells in you.
St. SteVen
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St. SteVen
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You changed the word order to fit your doctrine. It says "in Adam all" and "in Christ all".
It also says "as in" and "so in", meaning, in the same way. (not a different way)
"All" means all.
1 Corinthians 15:22
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
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My doctrine is inline with Christ's words and the apostle's doctrines, and the church.
Your's is totally out of context. You rip out a verse like that when in the immediate following verses explains it completely.
23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then comes the END
Nothing there about unbelievers inheriting the kingdom of God.
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
The end is right here where Christ has delivered the kingdom to the Father, and the unbelieving is in the second death of the lake of fire.
THE END of them unbelievers.
5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”
6 And He said to me, “It[c] is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. 7 He who overcomes [d]shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, [e]unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
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St. SteVen
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Yikes! That's a terrible translation. Full of doctrinal bias.
In Christ all will be made alive, but each in turn.
All. But each in turn. Some ahead of others. But in the end, all.
1 Corinthians 15:22-25 NIV
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.
23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.
24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father
after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
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FAQ: There are no human sacrifices specified in the covenant that Moses'
people entered into with God on oath in the books of Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Plus, according to Deut 4:2 and Deut 5:29-30
it is prohibited to revise the covenant. Since Jesus was a Jew whose religion
was governed by that covenant; then how was it legal for him to die for the
sins of the world?
REPLY: The codified laws of God are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Gal 3:17)
This is extremely important because Jesus was designated, and scheduled,
to die on a cross prior to the voice of God creating even a single atom for
the current cosmos. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8) In other words: the cross
was anticipated.
Pop Clock Update: 4,235 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 233,331,560
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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FAQ: There are no human sacrifices specified in the covenant that Moses'
people entered into with God on oath in the books of Exodus, Leviticus,
Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Plus, according to Deut 4:2 and Deut 5:29-30
it is prohibited to revise the covenant. Since Jesus was a Jew whose religion
was governed by that covenant; then how was it legal for him to die for the
sins of the world?
REPLY: The codified laws of God are not retroactive (Deut 5:2-4, Gal 3:17)
This is extremely important because Jesus was designated, and scheduled,
to die on a cross prior to the voice of God creating even a single atom for
the current cosmos. (1Pet 1:18-21 & Rev 13:8) In other words: the cross
was anticipated.
Pop Clock Update: 4,235 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 233,331,560
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Insensitive folk who come from the womb unable to feel compassion, are in
very grave danger of the sum of all fears.
● Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no
mercy.
NOTE: There are a number instructional web sites offering lists of helpful
do's and don'ts to assist sympathy-challenged people to at least respond
properly to others' misfortunes.
Pop Clock Update: 4,240 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 233,607,040
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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Insensitive folk who come from the womb unable to feel compassion, are in
very grave danger of the sum of all fears.
● Matt 5:7 . . Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.
● Jas 2:13 . . For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no
mercy.
NOTE: There are a number instructional web sites offering lists of helpful
do's and don'ts to assist sympathy-challenged people to at least respond
properly to others' misfortunes.
Pop Clock Update: 4,240 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 233,607,040
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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amigo de christo
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lets see . Adam did inform his wife right . cause even eve told the serpent that very truth .
The serpent knows how to twist and to decieve . Eve was in the tempation .
But mark my words well , ADAM did choose his wife over GOD . HE knew that fruit eve offered him was of that tree .
Ever remember what JESUS once said , HE WHO LOVETH WIFE etc more than me is not worthy of me .
THE FIRST ADAM FAILED , but not the SECOND ADAM which is the LORD FROM HEAVEN .
The first mistake eve made was BELIEVING THE SERPENT .
I mean SHE KNEW NOT to eat of that tree , yet chose to BELIEVE the serpent who said NAY ye shall not die .
Sadly many within christendom today are doing the very same thing .
WOULD You like an example .
For GOD so loved the world that HE sent his only begotten son that who so ever BELIEVES
would not perish but have everlasting life .
And that HE who beleives not WILL be damned .
ALong somes satans ministirs and say , NAY , nAY the muslim , the athiest , the other relgions
surely will not be damned nor perish , FOR GOD IS LOVE .
The devil knows who to decieve . DONT HE .
And yet over seventy percent of CHRISTENDOM has bought the lie
that its not necessary to HAVE to believe on JESUS CHRIST . BUT JESUS SAID IT WAS . JESUS said
if they believed not they will be damned . GUESS WHO I AM GONNA BELIEVE . JESUS CHRIST .
Remember the garden . GOD said they would DIE if they ate , the serpent said nay ye shall not die .
But notice he said a truth , YE shall become as gods knowing good and evil . GOD said they have become as us .
SO notice the devil does use scrip , but twists it . Like i said , HAS GOD really said YE must believe in JESUS CHRIST
and that those who hear and reject will be damned . NAY NAY sayeth the serpent GOD IS LOVE .
NOTICE how he uses the term GOD IS LOVE to imply A LIE that they wont be damned because GOD is love .
ONLY like i said , I wont follow eves example and believe the serpent or his all inclusive love lie .
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God cautioned Cain.
● Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do
not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you,
but you must master it.
"to have you" indicates complete control over one's life so that Cain wouldn't
just be slipping into sin now and then, rather; sin would become his lifestyle
should he become independent enough to allow ignoring God to become a
habit.
FAQ: How was Cain supposed to know what's right seeing as how God had
not yet codified any of His laws?
REPLY: His brother Abel was a prophet. (Luke 11:50-51)
Pop Clock Update: 4,245 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 233,882,520
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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God cautioned Cain.
● Gen 4:7 . . If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do
not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you,
but you must master it.
"to have you" indicates complete control over one's life so that Cain wouldn't
just be slipping into sin now and then, rather; sin would become his lifestyle
should he become independent enough to allow ignoring God to become a
habit.
FAQ: How was Cain supposed to know what's right seeing as how God had
not yet codified any of His laws?
REPLY: His brother Abel was a prophet. (Luke 11:50-51)
Pop Clock Update: 4,245 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If
the figures in post No.1 are within reason, then something like 233,882,520
new arrivals have checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Apr 12, 2012.
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I was thinking of that just today. Hamas and Israelis warring each other to death. And both going to fiery torments of hell when they are killed by the other. They may just arrive there and look one to the other, scream, cry out, weep, gnash their teeth, and exclaim how deceived they were. Together forever in a dreadful place. And they know the Day of Judgement still awaits them.
The Narrow Way
Luke 1322 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”
And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’ 26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’ 27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’ 28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”
amigo de christo
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Yep . TIME to preach the DIRE need to believe on JESUS CHRIST to all that has breath . CAUSE JESUS SAVES . believe YE IN HIM .
let the KING be praised .
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