Hell's Population Clock

[Scott Downey]

1 Corinthians 1, God has chosen who will inherit eternal life, and it for those God foreknew as one of those God things...

26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.

30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”

 

[BlessedPeace]

Promise of eternal life is not by works. If it was by works, well everyone has sinned and nobody would inherit eternal life.
There would be zero saved people. The New covenant is described as a covenant with better promises as it depends on the mercy of God.

And it is erected-established by God, not any man this covenant. No man can claim eternal life for himself without God's intervention. This is for the glory of God.

Hebrews 8
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” 6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

I think you both would be better served in your topic of discussion if you moved it to its own thread.

This sadistic false teaching has trolled the Internet for years. Hubris in thinking someone knows how many enter Hell everyday is sadism. And depraved ignorance of Scripture that informs no one is in Hell or Heaven yet. But one who gloats at calculating a number of Hell bound is destined for the object of their falsehood.

If you keep responding to your topic of choice you just give more front page New posts attention to their blasphemy.

Just an observation of a long lived Troll thread on the net. Appearing in every Christian Forum that enabled their purpose driven sin.

 

[St. SteVen]

Promise of eternal life is not by works. If it was by works, well everyone has sinned and nobody would inherit eternal life.
There would be zero saved people. The New covenant is described as a covenant with better promises as it depends on the mercy of God.

Adam's sin, which resulted in the death penalty, needed to be resolved.
The Tree of Life provided a source of resolution for the death penalty.
There would have been no need for Christ to atone for sin by paying the death penalty.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Genesis 3:22 NIV
And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us,
knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand
and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

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[St. SteVen]

1 Corinthians 1, God has chosen who will inherit eternal life, and it for those God foreknew as one of those God things...

So, he predestined everyone else to eternal damnation? (no choice of their own)

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[Webers_Home]

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So, he predestined everyone else to eternal damnation?

I expect perdition is terrible for some folks while not so bad for others.

"That servant who knows his master's will and does not get ready or does
not do what his master wants will be beaten with many blows. But the one
who does not know and does things deserving punishment will be beaten
with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be
demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much
more will be asked." (Luke 12:47-48)

So there are degrees of responsibility. For example: I think we can expect
that North Korea's Kim Jong-Un is certain to be treated with a heavier hand
than an obscure aboriginal in Australia's outback.
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[Scott Downey]

Adam's sin, which resulted in the death penalty, needed to be resolved.
The Tree of Life provided a source of resolution for the death penalty.
There would have been no need for Christ to atone for sin by paying the death penalty.

Romans 5:18-19 NIV
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people,
so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners,
so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

Genesis 3:22 NIV
And the Lord God said, “The man has now become like one of us,
knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand
and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

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God said it though, that through Christ's blood is the forgiveness of sins.
Matthew 26
27 Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 For this is My blood of the [a]new covenant, which is shed for many for the [b]remission of sins.

It is one of God's laws this,
Ezekiel 18:4
“Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.

Hebrews 9
21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And according to the law almost all things are [a]purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no [b]remission.

God made Christ's soul this,

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.

 

[St. SteVen]

I expect perdition is terrible for some folks while not so bad for others.

Sure, but eternal torment with no hope of escape is horrific on any level. IMHO

So there are degrees of responsibility. For example: I think we can expect
that North Korea's Kim Jong-Un is certain to be treated with a heavier hand
than an obscure aboriginal in Australia's outback.

As it should be. EVERYONE will answer for what we have done with the time we have been given here.
None of us will be immune from that. Jesus said it best.

Matthew 21:31 NIV
... Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, the tax collectors and the prostitutes
are entering the kingdom of God ahead of you.

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[St. SteVen]

God said it though, that through Christ's blood is the forgiveness of sins.

That assumes Adam being prevented from eating of the Tree of Life in the Garden. (Orchard)
What if that had not been the case? Are you unable to fathom that?

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[St. SteVen]

I expect perdition is terrible for some folks while not so bad for others.

Yes.
And it begs the question about what is just. Is eternal punishment for a finite crime really just?
My point being, can we really lay this at God's doorstep? What's wrong with this picture?

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[Webers_Home]

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What's wrong with this picture?

This "wrong picture" began with the forbidden fruit incident whereby
man's sense of justice lost its moral compass and became humanistic.

"And The Lord God said: The man has now become like one of us, knowing
good and evil." (Gen 3:22)

The man became "like" one of us rather than actually one of us. In other
words: man became a tin God guided by a natural perception of right and
wrong rather than divine.

Bottom line is: folks aren't destined for infinite perdition in particular due to
their finite deeds, rather, because they are infinitely capable of those deeds,
i.e. there's just no stopping them.

"Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? Then may ye
also do good, that are accustomed to do evil." (Jer 13:23)

Perdition then can be described as not only a penal system, but also a
quarantine facility.
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[Scott Downey]

That assumes Adam being prevented from eating of the Tree of Life in the Garden. (Orchard)
What if that had not been the case? Are you unable to fathom that?

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Obviously, God prevented any such scenario, for good reasons too. Sounds to me you approve of sin, why would God reward people who don't do what He tells them, infact, going against what He says, and also listen to those who also are against what He says. God does have enemies. I don't have to fathom impossibilities. If they became immortal by eating it, God's words about them dying would then have fallen to the ground, returned to Him void. It is God's way or the highway to hell.

11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will,

I believe Adam and Eve are in heaven, and Cain went to fiery torments. John said Cain was of the evil one, did not say that of Adam or Eve..

 

[Webers_Home]

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So God prevented Adam from receiving the remedy?

Yes.

If any human was that cruel, we would charge them with a human rights violation.

Adam was given fair warning of the consequences for including the fruit of
that one particular tree in his diet; and it certainly wasn't what might be labeled
by some as cruel and unusual seeing as how he was allowed to continue his life
free and and at large for a very long time and pass away of natural causes.

In my opinion, mortality is a very humane way to kill somebody because it
gives them time to pack their bags, so to speak, as opposed to sudden death
wherein victims are typically not ready to go just yet.
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[St. SteVen]

Bottom line is: folks aren't destined for infinite perdition in particular due to
their finite deeds, rather, because they are infinitely capable of those deeds,
i.e. there's just no stopping them.

Wouldn't that apply to ALL of us? Have you stopped sinning yet?

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[St. SteVen]

I believe Adam and Eve are in heaven...

Yes, and everyone else that was there when Christ took captivity captive.

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[St. SteVen]

Adam was given fair warning of the consequences for including the fruit of
that one particular tree in his diet...

Really?
On the day you eat of it you will surely die. ???
The REAL consequences were hidden from him.
Where's the pain in childbirth and the thorns and the sweat of his brow?
And what concept did Adam have of death?

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[Behold]

Yes, and everyone else that was there when Christ took captivity captive.

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Genesis 3:21 says that The Lord God gave animal skins to Adam and Eve, to cover them.

What is that?

That is the shedding of Blood.. which is their covering.

A.) "Without the shedding of BLOOD there is no forgiveness, no remission, of SIN".,.....= and water baptism can't do that for you.


In our Case, The Blood of Jesus is our Eternal Covering,..... its the New Covenant, .. its the Blood Atonement..... Its the CROSS of Christ.

The Born again, are covered, forgiven, and redeemed : FOREVER.,= by the one time sacrifice of Christ on the Cross.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Bottom line is: folks aren't destined for infinite perdition in particular due to
their finite deeds, rather, because they are infinitely capable of those deeds,
i.e. there's just no stopping them.

Wouldn't that apply to ALL of us?

Yes; with no exceptions.

Have you stopped sinning yet?

I have not stopped, and in point of fact: it would be grossly dishonest of me
to claim otherwise. (1John 1:8-10)
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[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Have you stopped sinning yet?

I have not stopped, and in point of fact: it would be grossly dishonest of me
to claim otherwise. (1John 1:8-10)

Doesn't that mean that we are in the same boat as those you say need to be quarantined in hell?
Because of the infinite ability to sin. Why should this stop in the afterlife?
And would the same thing stop everyone else?

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[Webers_Home]

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Adam was given fair warning of the consequences for including the fruit of
that one particular tree in his diet...

Where's the pain in childbirth and the thorns and the sweat of his brow?

The thorns and sweat were for a separate offense, to wit: listening to his
wife instead of listening to God. (Gen 3:17-19)

The pain in childbirth was imposed on Eve for destroying her husband. (Gen
3:12-13)

The REAL consequences were hidden from him.

I sometimes wonder if maybe God hasn't given us a full and complete
picture of the afterlife. What else might there be going on over there besides
fire, anxiety, and thirst?

And what concept did Adam have of death?

In order for his maker's warning to resonate in Adam's thinking; it had to be
related to death as he understood death in his own day rather than death as
modern Sunday school classes construe it in their day. In other words:
Adam's concept of death was primitive, i.e. normal and natural rather than
spiritual.

As far as can be known from scripture, Man is the only specie that God
created in His own image, viz: a creature blessed with perpetual youth. The
animal kingdom was given nothing like it.

That being the case, then I think it's safe to assume that death was common
all around Adam by means of vegetation, birds, bugs, and beasts so that it
wasn't a strange new word in his vocabulary; i.e. God didn't have to take a
moment and define death for Adam seeing as how it was doubtless a
common occurrence in his everyday life.

So I think we can be reasonably confident that Adam was up to speed on at
least the natural aspects of death and fully understood that if he went ahead
and tasted the forbidden fruit then his body would lose its perpetual youth
and end up no more permanent than a dandelion or a hummingbird.
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[St. SteVen]

So I think we can be reasonably confident that Adam was up to speed on at
least the natural aspects of death and fully understood that if he went ahead
and tasted the forbidden fruit then his body would lose its perpetual youth
and end up no more permanent than a dandelion or a hummingbird.

If Adam already understood death, then he already knew that he would die some day.
Just as the dandelions and hummingbirds already had.

So, what consequence is it to be told you will die eventually?

Seems Adam just shook it off anyway. The two had to be deceived by the serpent to partake.
Nothing premeditated about the act.

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