Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?

[Keiw]

And there is lots of literalism in revelation. symbolism is easily recognized and literalism is easily recognized.

Life and death in Deut. was physical life or death.

I know the Watchtower butchers the true account of Lazarus and the Rich man, but Paul makes it very clear in 2 Cor. that when a person is absent from the body-they are present with the Lord!

Also Paul prays that God will bless a believer in body, soul and spirit! Tough to bless two things the Watchtower thinks do not exist!

If one could look down and see a loved one suffering all the time, they couldn't find happiness could they, unless they were just selfish. Its symbolic. And this couldn't be a truth if one could look down and see suffering of loved ones=Rev 21:4-- proving it is symbolic.

 

[gpresdo]

Do you think that King David is still soul sleeping, wrangler? (I dont agree or buy into soul sleep myself - but do believe when we die we are judged instantly going on to the heavenly realm.)

The words creates a misnomer of the intent ...somewhat.
Perhaps ...soul judgment abeyance........ would be better.
There is no time in the spirit world...so...no time as we know it is occurring.

 

[MatthewG]

The words creates a misnomer of the intent ...somewhat.
Perhaps ...soul judgment abeyance........ would be better.
There is no time in the spirit world...so...no time as we know it is occurring.

Dont know.

 

[gpresdo]

Just stop and think. Use common sense. What does water accomplish other then getting wet?

I have a feeling you will find out. I pray you will change your understanding of God's word ....to it's factual reality. God did not just speak commandments for the fun of it. Neither will He appreciate a ..."smirking"...reference to His commandment.
Suggest u review God's word again;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 10;47-48...
47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

 

[Peterlag]

I have a feeling you will find out. I pray you will change your understanding of God's word ....to it's factual reality. God did not just speak commandments for the fun of it. Neither will He appreciate a ..."smirking"...reference to His commandment.
Suggest u review God's word again;

I have been conversing with many of you telling me about all the examples in the book of Acts that deal with water baptism. Well, there's only one and it was Philip. Peter mentioned it, but the next verse does not say they did it with water. But here's my thoughts tonight. Examples of what people do is not doctrine. There is no teaching anywhere not even one sentence about water baptism in the New Testament that started on the day of Pentecost as recorded in the second chapter of the book of Acts.

This is the present administration of Grace that is for the Church of God. It's the time period you and I now belong to because it's the Grace administration, without any distinction made between the Jew and the Gentile, which will end with the appearing of Jesus Christ. The present administration of God is in the time period of the New Testament known as Grace.

There is no teaching about water in any of these Epistles starting with the book of Romans. If you want water you will need to go in the past administration before there were Christians and that was the Legal administration. It was suited only to Israel under the Law, and is sometimes called the Mosaic Law that terminated when Jesus Christ died.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If one could look down and see a loved one suffering all the time, they couldn't find happiness could they, unless they were just selfish. Its symbolic. And this couldn't be a truth if one could look down and see suffering of loved ones=Rev 21:4-- proving it is symbolic.

Now you are just vomiting out an emotional argument that has no basis in Scripture! I won't argue against your feelings, they are irrelevant in a discussion of what God says.

 

[Keiw]

Acts was a long time ago. So King David still in Sheol. Thank you for making your point out with bible.

Yes David is still in Sheol( grave) Jesus likened death to sleep--The resurrection occurs after the tribulation and Armageddon is over.

Now you are just vomiting out an emotional argument that has no basis in Scripture! I won't argue against your feelings, they are irrelevant in a discussion of what God says.

I speak facts not feelings.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes David is still in Sheol( grave) Jesus likened death to sleep--The resurrection occurs after the tribulation and Armageddon is over.

I speak facts not feelings.

Hey you are allowed to believe whatever you choose to. May the spirit of God guide you always man.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yes David is still in Sheol( grave) Jesus likened death to sleep--The resurrection occurs after the tribulation and Armageddon is over.

I speak facts not feelings.

Davids body is in teh grave, His soul went to heaven when Jesus ascended physically as declared in Ephesians.

When you talk about sadness in heaven you are speaking from emotions and not facts as God declares them, but that is what your Watchtower masters have taught you how to think.

 

[quietthinker]

Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?​

or does he take them on a sight seeing tour beforehand?

 

[quietthinker]

Hey you are allowed to believe whatever you choose to. May the spirit of God guide you always man.

I see it is not possible to have a conversation with you Matthew. Why? because the above reply to any who vary in view is your default position.....and what can one do with a child who refuses to walk yet has the opinion of himself as a runner?

 

[MatthewG]

I see it is not possible to have a conversation with you Matthew. Why? because the above reply to any who vary in view is your default position.....and what can one do with a child who refuses to walk yet has the opinion of himself as a runner?

Your opinion is noted. Hope people will come see your channels in your signature. All the best.

Some people live to debate, I dont mind discussion, it is somewhat kind of hard to do on here, given you have to take what people already believe and discuss it but at the end of the day.

Its not between me and suzy J down the street. Its between people and God in what they decide to believe based on a myriad of factors. Yahava sees the heart, and look into it.

 

[Keiw]

Davids body is in teh grave, His soul went to heaven when Jesus ascended physically as declared in Ephesians.

When you talk about sadness in heaven you are speaking from emotions and not facts as God declares them, but that is what your Watchtower masters have taught you how to think.

In Genesis, when God gave man the breath of life he became a living soul, not has a living soul.

 

[Earburner]

Be honest, what do you believe?

Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?​

My answer of course is a big solid fat - No.

You can't just pretend to believe that God sends people straight to hell and then soften a blow when death comes about.

I believe that Yahava, who sent the Lord Yeshua, the messiah - who has had victory over all things today "Hell, Satan, Sin, Death (Spiritual death), the false prophet, the beast" does not send people to hell because hell gives up it's death in Revelation, therefore it can not last forever. There is the lake of fire that is in front of the Lamb, which one can assume rubs away all the darkness of an individual, and allows the only remaining good part of them alive be it small or very little. That is a good God, who loves, and who purges away darkness, however it seems that when Yahava, judges those who are not properly clothed are thrown back out of the kingdom into darkness, those who wanted nothing to do with God in this life are also resurrected and given a spiritual body that resides out in the darkness. There seems to be a city that God had established in the afterlife, that similar to the temple that was set up on earth. The outer court (the way), the inner court (the truth), and the holy of holies (the life), and everyone who believed start out in the outer court. While those who wanted nothing to do with God are outside of the gate in general.

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Those of faith are given a spiritual body that may dwell in the city and have access to the tree of life.

“Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie.”
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Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and | New King James Version (NKJ

Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and

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To me everyone goes to the heavenly Realm, either outside or inside the kingdom.

Yes! Every person is of flesh, and therefore does go to hell, the pit, which is nothing more than the grave and does rot away (inherits corruption). Jesus however, did not see corruption, but was resurrected into New and Immortal life.

As for everyone being saved in the end of it all, whether a believer in Jesus or not, the question is definitely answered in Rev. 20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[MatthewG]

Yes! Every person is of flesh, and therefore does go to hell, the pit, which is nothing more than the grave and does rot away (inherits corruption). Jesus however, did not see corruption, but was resurrected into New and Immortal life.

As for everyone being saved in the end of it all, whether a believer in Jesus or not, the question is definitely answered in Rev. 20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I believe that this judgement had to do with another age, which has now been fulfilled, then you go into a whole new scene when you are transferring over in to Chapter 21. Yes, you are right, it's the body that goes in the grave. The soul went to hell, all souls went to hell, in which was separated from Yahava because of sin having not be paid for, nor was it the time for the judgement until this judgement which was given was gave, and has been given already in my looking at Revelation 20, as an end to everything, and newness dawns, onward. I do not think back then, in those ancient times, they had chapter in verse, like we do today.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

In Genesis, when God gave man the breath of life he became a living soul, not has a living soul.

already addressed this to you.

 

[Earburner]

I believe that this judgement had to do with another age, which has now been fulfilled, then you go into a whole new scene when you are transferring over in to Chapter 21. Yes, you are right, it's the body that goes in the grave. The soul went to hell, all souls went to hell, in which was separated from Yahava because of sin having not be paid for, nor was it the time for the judgement until this judgement which was given was gave, and has been given already in my looking at Revelation 20, as an end to everything, and newness dawns, onward. I do not think back then, in those ancient times, they had chapter in verse, like we do today.

The judgment is NOW, and has been ever since Jesus was among us.
For all of mankind there have been only two judgments by God concerning the eternity of man.
1. The judgment upon Adam, of eternal death, which we all have inherited.
2. The judgment through faith in Jesus, of eternal life, which "we all must appear before the judgment seat of Christ".*

For those don't appear before Christ, and then do die, they are "condemned already" by default.
John 3
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned [judged]: but he that believeth not is condemned [judged] already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

* Note: 2 Cor. 5
[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[MatthewG]

The judgment is NOW, and has been ever since Jesus was among us.
For all of mankind there have been only two judgments by God concerning the eternity of man.
1. The judgment upon Adam, of eternal death, which we all have inherited.
2. The judgment through faith in Jesus, of eternal life, which "we all must appear before the judgment seat of Christ".*

For those don't appear before Christ, and then do die, they are "condemned already" by default.
John 3
[18] He that believeth on him is not condemned [judged]: but he that believeth not is condemned [judged] already,
because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

* Note: 2 Cor. 5
[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

That has nothing to do with what was stated prior. Sure, everyone will have a judgment upon death. Resurrection will come to the faithless, and faithful according to Yeshua. There was a judgement for those of that age, prior whom were held in hell, which those souls were dumped out of and judged.

john 5:28-29

 

[Earburner]

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That has nothing to do with what was stated prior. Sure, everyone will have a judgment upon death. Resurrection will come to the faithless, and faithful according to Yeshua. There was a judgement for those of that age, prior whom were held in hell, which those souls were dumped out of and judged.

john 5:28-29

It has plenty to do with that "age of indignation", being those who were under the OC. They were instructed to have faith in the "Promised one" who was to come, who is Jesus. In the days of Jesus, we have two examples of such people, being Nathaneal and Simeon. Both were "Israelites indeed".

All of such were "remembered" by God. Malachi 3:16. In Rev. 6:9-11, we see that God did not forget them, and were those who physically came out of their graves after Jesus' resurrection, and are of the symbolic number of the 144,000 out of the 12 tribes of Israel past.

 

[Jack]

Revelation 1:7
7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.