Ronald Nolette
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It is not about the water, but about obedience to the Lord Jesus Christ! In Matt. 28 He ordered the Apostles to go and make disciples and Baptize them in the triune name of God!
also why do you deny the trinity?
Is God sending people straight to hell when they die, today?
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also why do you deny the trinity?
Ronald Nolette
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That is true! Only God can give an individual the illumination to accept His Word as it is written.
And subsequently Jesus, himself died and resurrected, yet how many who have heard this still do not believe the words of Jesus? Still they do not repent! But then some of us do believe them!
Give God the glory!
Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Let each act as he thinks right. If he thinks he ought to observe the days, let him do as his conscience demands. If he thinks otherwise, let him not observe them.
Ronald Nolette
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That is about observing days and not about whether or not th elost stay in hell forever.
Ronald Nolette
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And doind as we think roght or wrong is the lie of Satan. God decides what is right or wrong for each individual.
Paul also said that those who do not eat or observe days are weak in the faith.
Ronald Nolette
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His body is down where it was buried, but His soul and spirit are now in heaven. His soul was in Abrahams Bososm until Jesus ascended and then He was taken to heaven.
At the first resurrection of REv. 20 Davids body will join His soul and spirit and be whole again.
As Paul said:
2 Corinthians 5
King James Version
5 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
We see that a person is more than a body, for Paul says when this earthly body dissolves we have a heavenly one and that to be absent from teh body is to be present with the Lord.
Acts was a long time ago. So King David still in Sheol. Thank you for making your point out with bible.
Keiw
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Jehovah is love, merciful, not the sadist who would create a literal eternal suffering for those made of dust. Jesus is his image, so you believe Jesus would condemn dust to eternal suffering, throwing away justice which the bible says--All of Gods ways are justice(Deut 32:4)--
BlessedPeace
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Ronald Nolette
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And HIs ways are not our ways and His thoughts are not our thoughts.
YOu need to establish your beliefs based on the bible and not what a man made organization tells you.
Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
The bible calls the Watchtower a liar!
Keiw
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symbolism--for the following-- those not allowed into Gods kingdom made this choice-Deut 30:19--LIFE or DEATH. They traded trillions x trillions x trillions, etc of never ending years of a perfect life for 70-100 years of an unrepented life now. Likened to be an eternal suffering for that bad choice--those miss each day, miss each day of Gods love, what they miss never ends.
You best study the true God-All his ways are justice--there is 0 justice in eternal suffering for 70-100 years of an unrepented life. Its an eye for a gazillion eyes= not the true God of the bible who is 100% clear about his justice= an eye for an eye. You need new teachers, ones that know the true God.
Ronald Nolette
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So show from Scripture this is symbolism and not literal. Dead people know no suffering. To be non existent is not a big deal for one who lived a life of carnal pleasure. They lived ,partied and died and then cease to exist according to you.
Who says there is no justice for causing th elost to suffer eternally and allow the just to enjoy eternally.
Using your logic, there is no justice in sending a crimminal to maximum security for life w/o parole.
You really need to stop acting like a five year old and resort to calling people who disagree with you as people who do not know god! You are resorting tro childish tactics and need to stop.
Keiw
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Jesus said--Enter through the narrow gate, for cramped is the road that leads off into life, FEW are the ones finding it. For MANY have entered the broad and spacious path that leads to destruction.)--destruction, not eternal life to suffer.
The place where the worm dieth not= 6 feet under= everlasting death.
Ronald Nolette
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Revelation 14:10-11
King James Version
10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
You need to stop believing what men reinterpret the bible to mean and listen to Gods Word!
Keiw
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There is a lot of symbolism in revelation. This is Fact=Deut32:19--God set before all-LIFE or DEATH both will be everlasting.
Ronald Nolette
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And there is lots of literalism in revelation. symbolism is easily recognized and literalism is easily recognized.
Life and death in Deut. was physical life or death.
I know the Watchtower butchers the true account of Lazarus and the Rich man, but Paul makes it very clear in 2 Cor. that when a person is absent from the body-they are present with the Lord!
Also Paul prays that God will bless a believer in body, soul and spirit! Tough to bless two things the Watchtower thinks do not exist!
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