If you think Mary remained a virgin till she died, then bet on it

Marymog · Dec 5, 2023

Eternally Grateful said:
Notice how I asked you multiple times why the jews did what you say I must do and crucified christ.

It is typical of you. when you have to answer something that may appose you if you answer honestly. you ignore it..

Thats on you..

I did ignore you. Because you are accusing me of something that didn't happen. How can I address something that didn't happen?????? :contemplate:

I NEVER told you to blindly follow your elders! I quoted Scripture.

I get it EG!! You will not adhere to the parts of Scripture that you don't like. YOU "will not listen to elders who do not follow the word of God" according to YOUR interpretation of the word of God.

Furthermore, the average Jew did not blindly follow their Jewish leaders and kill Jesus. That is your revision of Scripture. The Jewish leaders had the Roman authorities kill Jesus because he was a threat to their leadership.

Keeping it real with the facts....Mary

Eternally Grateful · Dec 5, 2023

Marymog said:
I did ignore you. Because you are accusing me of something that didn't happen. How can I address something that didn't happen??????

I NEVER told you to blindly follow your elders! I quoted Scripture.

I get it EG!! You will not adhere to the parts of Scripture that you don't like. YOU "will not listen to elders who do not follow the word of God" according to YOUR interpretation of the word of God.

Furthermore, the average Jew did not blindly follow their Jewish leaders and kill Jesus. That is your revision of Scripture. The Jewish leaders had the Roman authorities kill Jesus because he was a threat to their leadership.

Keeping it real with the facts....Mary

You ignored my question

i asked you why the jew, Who did what you say you do and i should do. Crucified christ by following your example.

I adhere to all scripture. i just interpret them in a way that scripture does nto contradict itself.

I will ask you one more time to answer my question about the jew. Who followed the word. History and tradition. Yet crucified christ. Why they did this. When you say if we did this, we would never get it wrong.

Marymog · Dec 5, 2023

Eternally Grateful said:
Nope. i never said I was always right.

why would i tell people to blindly follow me when i will never blindly follow them

They should test what i say as i test what they say.

Again, you have failed to answer my question why? Does it scare you?

That is true. You have never flat out said that you were right. You have STRONGLY implied it thought. Here is what you have said:

You equated a commandment in a personal letter from Paul to Timothy as a commandment to you:

Be diligent to present yourself (EG) approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

It says to be diligent to rightly divide the word of God....it is not my job to determine who is right or wrong. It is to test each spirit to see what the word says.....I will not listen to elders who do not follow the word of God......I listen to many people....But I test what they say.....I have many elders who I follow. i do not agree with everything they say..

TRANSLATION of what you have said: According to 2 Timothy I, EG, am a worker who does not need to be ashamed because I am approved to God, and I can rightly divide the word of truth. I EG am not determining who is right or wrong. Oh no no no no!! I, EG, only test the Spirit to see what the words say. If I have determined that an elder does not follow the Word of God, I will NOT listen to that elder. I listen to many people, and I test what they say. And if they don't past MY test, I won't listen to them. Even though Scripture tells me to obey my elders, I will NOT! Because they are the ones that Peter spoke of in 2 Peter 3:16! Peter wasn't speaking of me!

Keeping it real....Mary

Marymog · Dec 5, 2023

Eternally Grateful said:
You ignored my question

i asked you why the jew, Who did what you say you do and i should do. Crucified christ by following your example.

I adhere to all scripture. i just interpret them in a way that scripture does nto contradict itself.

I will ask you one more time to answer my question about the jew. Who followed the word. History and tradition. Yet crucified christ. Why they did this. When you say if we did this, we would never get it wrong.

I already answered your question in post #102. Here is my answer AGAIN:

I NEVER told you to blindly follow your elders! I quoted Scripture.

Eternally Grateful · Dec 5, 2023

Marymog said:
I already answered your question in post #102. Here is my answer AGAIN:

I NEVER told you to blindly follow your elders! I quoted Scripture.

See how you deflect?.

Eternally Grateful said:
The jews followed the high priest. Who it considered the man of God. The high priest followed history. and used the same excuses you use.

Yet these same jews crucified christ, Because Christ protested the church of Israel

Can you please answer this question.. Saying you never told me to blindly follow anyone is not an answer. It is a deflection..

Marymog · Dec 5, 2023

dev553344 said:
The lie that Mary is a perpetual virgin when she was married to Joseph is a Catholic fabrication.

Nope. It's part of your Christian history. But you ignore Christian history because it doesn't fit what YOU have been taught.

Marymog · Dec 5, 2023

Eternally Grateful said:
See how you deflect?.

Can you please answer this question.. Saying you never told me to blindly follow anyone is not an answer. It is a deflection..

Nope. Not a deflection. You are accusing me of telling you to blindly follow the elders of your church. I NEVER told you that. If I have, please provide the quote or post # I said that in.

Patient Mary

Eternally Grateful · Dec 5, 2023

Marymog said:
Nope. It's part of your Christian history. But you ignore Christian history because it doesn't fit what YOU have been taught.

Once again

it is your history. Not christian history.

Eternally Grateful · Dec 5, 2023

Marymog said:
Nope. Not a deflection. You are accusing me of telling you to blindly follow the elders of your church. I NEVER told you that. If I have, please provide the quote or post # I said that in.

Patient Mary

No, I never said you told me to blindly follow the elders of my church..This is a fabrication also..

I asked you to tell me why I should do what you say when the jews did that very same thing, yet crucified christ.

Your deflecting..

You have done this before though. You have never answered this question. Nor do i expect you to answer it.

dev553344 · Dec 5, 2023

Marymog said:
Nope. It's part of your Christian history. But you ignore Christian history because it doesn't fit what YOU have been taught.

Wrong, you can read the history of it here: History of Catholic Mariology - Wikipedia

The belief of the perpetual virgin was created well after Christianity began.

But around 600 AD Catholics began creating churches devoted to Mary, something the bible clearly speaks against: see Matthew 17 as the disciples were chastised for even considering such a thing.

Eternally Grateful · Dec 5, 2023

dev553344 said:
Wrong, you can read the history of it here: History of Catholic Mariology - Wikipedia

The belief of the perpetual virgin was created well after Christianity began.

But around 600 AD Catholics began creating churches devoted to Mary, something the bible clearly speaks against: see Matthew 17 as the disciples were chastised for even considering such a thing.

She does not understand, any history that her church rejected would have been destroyed.

the rulers of the world rewrite history to support them

thats why following history can be good. We shoudl learn from it, But also bad..

dev553344 · Dec 5, 2023

Eternally Grateful said:
She does not understand, any history that her church rejected would have been destroyed.

the rulers of the world rewrite history to support them

thats why following history can be good. We shoudl learn from it, But also bad..

The original church is preserved in the new testament. And it looks nothing like the churches of today. All fall short. But some have come up with revelations that defy the scriptures. I believe this is the case here.

Eternally Grateful · Dec 5, 2023

dev553344 said:
The original church is preserved in the new testament. And it looks nothing like the churches of today. All fall short. But some have come up with revelations that defy the scriptures. I believe this is the case here.

Thats why we follow the word. Not some church..

The word will never be wrong. but as Israel proved, the church can be wrong.. (remembering that Israel was the OT church)

dev553344 · Dec 5, 2023

Eternally Grateful said:
Thats why we follow the word. Not some church..

The word will never be wrong. but as Israel proved, the church can be wrong.. (remembering that Israel was the OT church)

Yes that's what concerns me about post NT revelations. They might be from God and they might not. Only God can reveal that to a person I think. God has not revealed to me a lot of what the Catholics teach. Nor the Mormons or the Jehovah witnesses. In fact the vision of God the Father by the Mormons does appear incorrect from revelations I have had of him which are more inline with the second book of Enoch.

TonyChanYT · Dec 5, 2023

Marymog said:
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Sigma · Dec 5, 2023

dev553344 said:
Ridiculous! Using an already good and accepted interpretation is perfectly acceptable.

Again, Koine Greek isn't an interpretation, it's a language, and it's the original language used in the books that make up the New Testament.
In Matt. 13:55/Mk. 6:3, in the original language used (Koine Greek), Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) aren't specifically called Jesus's "siblings," nor "half-brothers," but rather His "ἀδελφοὶ" (adelphoi), which has the broad familial definition "kinsman, or relative," and thus can refer to a sibling, cousin, nephew, or uncle, etc. Therefore, Scripture doesn't "spell out" that they were Jesus's siblings as you claim.

You need to provide evidence that proves siblings is the type of kinship that applies to Jesus's kinsmen/relatives Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus). Can you do that? I know you can't, because in my thread Were they Jesus’s siblings?, I’ve proven Jesus’s kinsmen/relatives Joseph, Simon, James, and Judas (Jude/Thaddeus) were the sons of His mother's spouse's brother, Alphaeus, thus making them His cousins.

You choose not to accept what Scripture actually says in its original language, Koine Greek, because if you did you'd have to admit Scripture doesn't "spell out" what you claim, and you don't want to do that, especially to a Catholic. As I said, it's lazy, prideful, and dishonest.

Sigma · Dec 5, 2023

Eternally Grateful said:
Thats why we follow the word. Not some church..

"And I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church..." (Matt. 16:18)

"And I have other sheep that are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will listen to My voice; and they will become one flock..."(Jn. 10:16)

The Church Jesus speaks of is the Christian (Catholic) Church, the only Christian Church that has existed for over two thousand years. You choose not to join it and encourage the existence of multiple Christian folds (denominations), despite Jesus founding one Church, one fold.

quietthinker · Dec 5, 2023