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In the magical kingdom of the Catholic Church, there are different kinds of blessings- each, presumably with different ‘special powers‘ (his words) that can be conferred. There’s the super-duper blessings that are liturgical— but no…. That’s not the kind we are talking about for the gays. We are talking about Diet Blessings only. Like Blessings LITE. There are ascending and descending blessings.

29. From the perspective of the ascending dimension, when one becomes aware of the Lord’s gifts and his unconditional love, even in sinful situations—particularly when a prayer finds a hearing—the believer’s heart lifts its praise to God and blesses him. No one is precluded from this type of blessing. Everyone, individually or together with others, can lift their praise and gratitude to God.

NO ONE IS PRECLUDED FROM Blessings LITE. Not even in sinful situations. Apparently you could perhaps be sodomizing your “husband” and if you are a believer— your heart can lift praise to God and bless him— so says the Pope… I mean no one is precluded, even in sinful situations.

But we find many here so willing to defend this activist Pope’s nonsense.
Yet,in that defense they show they're,he, is not well educated in Catholic doctrine.

I think that's why he is rude and personally attacks those to whom he is posting. Thinking that vitriol will distract us from realizing that very thing.

Trolls are lazy. Education costs time.

Trolls prefer to spend time expressing how lost and empty they are as they fill their days attacking the Christian faithful in our own communities.

They have no joy in their life because they have no understanding as to what true emotionally satisfying joy is.

For the Troll joy is felt in feeling satisfied they are personally responsible for throwing dung into a white light of Christ community.
They're encouraged to keep on when we respond in our way,the way of Christ,thinking,in error,we can reach a person who is on the wrong path.

We're wrong.

Trolls targeting we the Christian faithful are the recruits of Demons. Their father has closed their eyes,minds,heart,so they will do his bidding.

They are spawns of Hell. And unless it be Father's will,shall finish this life and enter that eternal home they first thought to mock as just as much a myth as Christianity.

Their father knows better. He also knows how easy it is to manipulate those empty minds to his will. And when we read them here,we see that too.

If you tell a Troll,quietly to yourself as you read their latest post, go to Hell, that is not a personal attack you're thinking of. No, that's actually the same as stating outright and publicly to their attention, "GO HOME!"

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So a politician dies and ends up standing in front of the Pearly Gates. Saint Peter looks at him for a second, flicks through his book, and finds his name.

‟So, you’re a politician…”

‟Well, yes, is that a problem?”

‟Oh no, no problem. But we have recently adopted a new system for people in your line of work, and unfortunately you will have to spend a day in Hell. After that however, you’re free to choose where you want to spend eternity!”

‟Wait, I have to spend a day in Hell?” says the politician.

‟Them’s the rules” says St Peter. He clicks his fingers and *woomph*, the guy disappears.

He awakes, curled up with his hands over his eyes, knowing he’s in Hell. Cautiously, he listens for the screams, sniffs the air for brimstone, and finds … Nothing. Just the smell of, is that fabric softener? And cut grass, this can’t be right?

‟Open your eyes!” says a voice. ‟C’mon, wakey wakey, we have only got 24 hours!”

Nervously, he uncovers his eyes, looks around, and sees he’s in a hotel room. A nice one too. Wait, this is a penthouse suite … And there’s a smiling man in a suit, holding a martini.

‟Who are you??” The politician asks.

‟Well, I’m Satan!” says the man, handing him the drink and helping him to his feet. ‟Welcome to Hell!”

‟Wait, this is Hell? But … Where’s all the pain and suffering?” he asks.

Satan throws him a wink. ‟Oh, we have been a bit misrepresented over the years, it’s a long story. Anyway, this is your room! The minibar is of course free, as is the room service, there’s extra towels next to the spa tub, and if you need anything, just call reception. But enough of this! It’s a beautiful day, and if you’d care to look outside …”
Slightly stunned by the opulent surroundings, the man wanders over to the floor-to-ceiling windows through which the sun is glowing, looks far down, and sees a group of people cheering and waving at him from a golf course.
‟It’s one of five pro-level courses on-site, and there’s another six just a few minutes drive out past the beach and harbour!” says Satan, answering his unasked question.
They head down in the lift, walk out through the glittering lobby where everyone waves and welcomes the man, as Satan signs autographs and cheerily talks shop with the laughing staff. As he walks out, he sees the group on the golf course are made up of every one of his old friends, people he’s admired for years but never met or worked with, and people whose work he’s admired but died long before his career started.

Out of the middle of this group walks his wife, with a massive smile and the body she had when she was 20, who throws her arms around him and plants a delicate kiss on his cheek.
Everyone cheers and applauds, and as they slap him on the back and trade jokes, his worst enemy arrives, as a 2-foot tall goblin-esque caddy. He spends the day in the bright sunshine on the course, having the time of his life.
Later, they return to the hotel for dinner and have an enormous meal, perfectly cooked, which descends into a food fight when someone accidentally throws a bread roll at the next table. As everyone is falling about laughing and flinging breadsticks at each other, his wife whispers in his ear … And they return to their penthouse suite. After several hours of intense passion, the man falls into a deep and happy sleep.
He is woken up by St Peter.

‟So, that was Hell. Wasn’t what you were expecting, I bet?”

‟No sir!” says the man.

‟So then,” says St Peter, ‟you can make your choice. It’s Hell, which you saw, or Heaven, which has choral singing, talking to God, white robes, and so on.”

‟Well, I know this sounds strange, but on balance, I think I would prefer Hell,” says the politician.

‟Not a problem, we totally understand! Enjoy!” St Peter clicks his fingers again.

The man wakes up in total darkness, the stench of ammonia filling the air and distant screams the only noise. As he adjusts, he can see the only light is from belches of flame far away, illuminating the ragged remains of people being tortured or burning in a sulphurous ocean. A sudden bolt of lightning reveals Satan next to him, wearing the same suit as before and grinning, holding a soldering iron in one hand and a coil of razor-wire in the other.

‟What’s this?” the politician cries. ‟Where’s the hotel? Where’s my wife? Where’s the minibar, the golf-courses, the pool, the restaurant, the free drinks and the sunshine?”

‟Ah,” says Satan. ‟You see, yesterday, we were campaigning. But today, you voted.”
 

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A lot of so-called christians also accepting more illegal activity such as fraud, criminal behavior, child abuse, political correctness too.


But of course it's all good since all our future sins have been forgiven already even before we do the sin!


he still likes women and that he isn't gay. So there is a difference I guess.


So he thinks he's a lesbian now?


Faith is a gift given (from God), without an individual ‘taking’, but rather is effected by an individual hearing the word of God.


If it's a gift then we can too accept it since He's offering it.


How does a man, who is bodily physically dead (who knows or can do nothing), or spiritually accounted dead (crucified with Christ) and thereafter spiritually accounted spiritually alive, commit something being called a “future” sin?


Because man still has a choice and man still gets tempted.

There's always the possibility of deciding to go ahead and do some sinful stuff.


Your bias has shown twice. You have taken sides without educating yourself AND you are calling what your fellow Christians on this forum believe to be 'freaky stuff'.

In these post from @Mr E (of which whom we are talking) show me where he is disagreeing with freaky catholic stuff (another derogatory remark about Catholics, this time by YOU):

Post 123 136 160 180, 187


Christians don't pray to mary, catholics do. So that's something a cult does is pray to dead people (those physically departed from this world) rather than praying directly to the Father in Jesus Name.

Unless you can prove from the bible that the Lord teaches we should pray to mary to see if she can get in a good word for us with the Lord.

My family members who are catholic (and quite freaky) cannot show me where the bible teaches Christians to do this so if you can show me then please post up the passages.


The Church, with the aid of the State, had Christians killed for being heretics. It was wrong and The Church has apologized profusely for it.


That was not the Church doing this, it was the catholic cult people killing real Christians for following the teachings of Jesus and refusing to follow the catholic cultic teachings.

There's lots of church history available in the information age you know. I just don't get my information from catholics since they pray to mary and I know enough about the bible to know this is not what the Lord teaches His people to do.

He never told us to get in touch with Jesus' momma anywhere in the bible.


Protestants killed other Protestants AND Catholics


That was not real Christians doing that.

It was the john calvin and martin luther cult doing that. They were like the catholics in that they were making stuff up as they went along too instead of going by what the bible teaches.


Catholics are the First Christians.

That's pretty funny because there's no catholics in the book of acts!

Not one of them were praying to mary or teaching others to pray to mary.


It is based on the practices and the teachings of Jesus Christ along with the writings of the four Gospels and the Letters of the New Testament.

Christians don't pray to mary, catholics do. So that's something a cult does is pray to dead people (those physically departed from this world) rather than praying directly to the father in Jesus Name.

Unless you can prove from the bible that the Lord teaches we should pray to mary to see if she can get in a good word for us with the Lord.


If your family members are 'sketchy', it probably has nothing to do with them being Catholic.


Oh yeah it does. They be trying to contact the dead (those physically dead that have passed from this life) because this is what catholic doctrine teaches them to do

And they think when they sin they go down to the preist's crib and get in to some little box with him and tell him they sinned, make a financial donation to buy forgiveness from the preist that they call father

Jesus said to call no man on earth father in Matthew 23:9 so why you people dissin Jesus like that?


Just to clear it up for you, Catholics don't "talk to the dead", "spin beads" or "bow to statues."


Just like liberals, you people always claim to not be doing what you are doing.

I've talked to catholic people who tell me straight up that they do talk to the dead, they do play with beads doing that rosary thing where they worship mary, and they get all freaky with statues thinking they are speacial icons from their god.

As I said, I have family members that are a part of your cult so you're wasting your time trying to convince me you people are Christians because you're not. But, this is your problem not mine because I'm not a member of the cult.


YOU are the one who got punked Dan.....you just don't realize it yet.


Well that pope guy that runs your cult sure has been getting all gay friendly lately.

He's getting funny with the funny people!

Here's some links to publications who are quoting your pope's public relations people who are telling the wold that your pope is all good with "Roman Catholic priests can bless same-sex couples"







 

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But of course it's all good since all our future sins have been forgiven already even before we do the sin!
The bible doesn't say that.
1Jo 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Why would one need to obtain mercy and find grace if there were never going to be a time of need?
So he thinks he's a lesbian now?
I have no idea.
Last I heard he had a girl/girlfriend.
It's too confusing for me.
Since my ex passed away last year and my mother in law, I haven't spoken to him.
I think I only ever spoke to him maybe 3 times the whole 16 years I was with his brother.
So no communication is not uncommon.
 
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But of course it's all good since all our future sins have been forgiven already even before we do the sin

So he thinks he's a lesbian now?





If it's a gift then we can too accept it since He's offering it.





Because man still has a choice and man still gets tempted.

There's always the possibility of deciding to go ahead and do some sinful stuff.

Christians don't pray to mary, catholics do. So that's something a cult does is pray to dead people (those physically departed from this world) rather than praying directly to the Father in Jesus Name.
Catholics don't pray to Mary; they pray through Mary. There's a difference. Catholics don't believe that Mary is "dead". Plus, it's not as if Catholics pray through Mary instead of praying through Jesus.
Unless you can prove from the bible that the Lord teaches we should pray to mary to see if she can get in a good word for us with the Lord.
Didn't Jesus converse with Moses and Elijah...two men who had been "dead" for HUNDREDS of years?
My family members who are catholic (and quite freaky) cannot show me where the bible teaches Christians to do this so if you can show me then please post up the passages.
I already did.
That was not the Church doing this, it was the catholic cult people killing real Christians for following the teachings of Jesus and refusing to follow the catholic cultic teachings.
As if NO ONE in history killed Catholics! Dream on, Dan...dream on.
There's lots of church history available in the information age you know. I just don't get my information from catholics since they pray to mary and I know enough about the bible to know this is not what the Lord teaches His people to do.

He never told us to get in touch with Jesus' momma anywhere in the bible.
I suggest you read the bible in its entirety this time, and not ONLY read "some" of the New Testament...and think you've got ALL the answers.
That was not real Christians doing that.

It was the john calvin and martin luther cult doing that. They were like the catholics in that they were making stuff up as they went along too instead of going by what the bible teaches.
Oh, o.k. So if Protestants kill Catholics, it wasn't "real" Christians doing the killing, right? Well, I can say the same thing; it wasn't "real" CATHOLICS doing the killing...right?

And John Calvin and Martin Luther came along about 1500 years after the first Catholics were being killed.
That's pretty funny because there's no catholics in the book of acts!

Not one of them were praying to mary or teaching others to pray to mary.
There is evidence that the church was praying through Mary from the 3rd or 4th century. The Sub Tuum Praesidium. Obviously, the first "Christians" thought it was important.
Christians don't pray to mary, catholics do. So that's something a cult does is pray to dead people (those physically departed from this world) rather than praying directly to the father in Jesus Name.
Catholics ARE Christians. The First. If it wasn't for Catholics, you wouldn't even HAVE a bible.

We don't pray to 'dead' people. We ask living people to pray for us. After all, "God is the God of the LIVING." And that includes Mary.
Unless you can prove from the bible that the Lord teaches we should pray to mary to see if she can get in a good word for us with the Lord.
Unless you can prove from the bible that we shouldn't ask the living to pray for us...
Oh yeah it does. They be trying to contact the dead (those physically dead that have passed from this life) because this is what catholic doctrine teaches them to do

And they think when they sin they go down to the preist's crib and get in to some little box with him and tell him they sinned, make a financial donation to buy forgiveness from the preist that they call father
Wow. You have a LOT to learn about Catholicism. Maybe you should refrain from speaking about it until you actually learn about it.
Jesus said to call no man on earth father in Matthew 23:9 so why you people dissin Jesus like that?
Jesus was talking to his Apostles. He didn't mean for us to NOT call our biological/adopted father "father." What Jesus meant was, not to revere an earthly person as 'higher' than our Father God.
Just like liberals, you people always claim to not be doing what you are doing.
Because we're not.
I've talked to catholic people who tell me straight up that they do talk to the dead, they do play with beads doing that rosary thing where they worship mary, and they get all freaky with statues thinking they are speacial icons from their god.
You talked to some Catholics; not ALL. Not even MOST. We're not "playing with beads" and "worshipping Mary" while doing it. You obviously know nothing about the Rosary. It's a device of meditation...on CHRIST. Do you even know HOW we pray the Rosary? I'm willing to bet...NO. You don't. It's not just a bunch of prayer one recites, over and over again.
As I said, I have family members that are a part of your cult so you're wasting your time trying to convince me you people are Christians because you're not. But, this is your problem not mine because I'm not a member of the cult.
Catholicism isn't a 'cult'. And yes, we ARE Christian.
Well that pope guy that runs your cult sure has been getting all gay friendly lately.

He's getting funny with the funny people!
Sure, go ahead and mock gays...don't forgive, and see how far that gets you. " But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.” Mark 11:26.
Here's some links to publications who are quoting your pope's public relations people who are telling the wold that your pope is all good with "Roman Catholic priests can bless same-sex couples"







Have you actually read any of these? My guess again is NO...probably just copying this from some anti-Catholic site...
 

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The bible doesn't say that.
1Jo 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Heb 4:14
Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Why would one need to obtain mercy and find grace if there were never going to be a time of need?

I have no idea.
Last I heard he had a girl/girlfriend.
It's too confusing for me.
Since my ex passed away last year and my mother in law, I haven't spoken to him.
I think I only ever spoke to him maybe 3 times the whole 16 years I was with his brother.
So no communication is not uncommon.
If all 'future sins' were forgiven, wouldn't satan be in heaven now?
 
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What does "come to grips with" mean? How does it look at each level of the hypothetical? Are you saying we need a manual with checklists and such? Do you understand what I mean by criticism of generalizations?
Thanks for engaging. Obvious;y we need to work on this as a church.

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St. SteVen said:
- A teen has always felt a same sex attraction as long as they can remember. And you say sin?
How long is "as long as they can remember?" When a child is old enough to have sexual fantasies that go beyond temptation, that is sin whether the object is male or female. The mental constipation surrounding this issue is astounding to me. Nothing personal, SS. I hope we're friendly enough for you to believe that.
No. It is natural for us to desire sexual fulfillment when we come of age.

It drives heterosexual marriage urges as much as same sex attraction.
Do you consider heterosexual marriage urges to be on the same level as "sexual fantasies that go beyond temptation"?
I hope so. Isn't that what drives young people to get married? But what if the sexual attraction goes a different direction, then what?

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If all 'future sins' were forgiven, wouldn't satan be in heaven how?
I don't see Satan confessing any sins in the bible. And I don't see him doing much repenting in the world.
So that tells me that he had his chance back then in the garden before he decided to decieve Eve.

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

nope, don't look like he's gonna make it.

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1John 3:6

Homosexuality is a lifestyle and the result of sin. (Romans 1&2a)

So it's impossible (I'm forgetting the exact chapter and verse of Hebrews) to return to sin after having a personal relationship with God and tasting His Goodness.

You cannot have a publicly sinful lifestyle and expect salvation when you die. If anything you will have a God extra upset for besmirching the identity/name of God with that sinful lifestyle. (IE; Murdering babies for Jesus)
Hmmmm JDB.....so you believe that it is impossible to return to sin AFTER you have a personal relationship with God? Judas had a personal relationship with Jesus....but I doubt he returned to sin.

I can't find your theory in Scripture! Can you help me out? Where does Scripture give the criteria that one has to meet for a personal relationship with God? What are the rules? How do I know WHAT I need to do to have a personal relationship with God?

What about the passage's that say, 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

To me those vs's seem to contradict your belief that it's IMPOSSIBLE to return to sin!!
 
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Hmmmm JDB.....so you believe that it is impossible to return to sin AFTER you have a personal relationship with God? Judas had a personal relationship with Jesus....but I doubt he returned to sin.

I can't find your theory in Scripture! Can you help me out? Where does Scripture give the criteria that one has to meet for a personal relationship with God? What are the rules? How do I know WHAT I need to do to have a personal relationship with God?

What about the passage's that say, 8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

To me those vs's seem to contradict your belief that it's IMPOSSIBLE to return to sin!!
Judas was possessed by Satan.Judas did not therefore sin.
 

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Christians don't pray to mary, catholics do. So that's something a cult does is pray to dead people (those physically departed from this world) rather than praying directly to the Father in Jesus Name.

Unless you can prove from the bible that the Lord teaches we should pray to mary to see if she can get in a good word for us with the Lord.

My family members who are catholic (and quite freaky) cannot show me where the bible teaches Christians to do this so if you can show me then please post up the passages.
Wow Dan, good job :Thumbsup:......you not only degrade your own family on a public site.......which is embarrassing for you and shows your poor character.....you also degrade the members of that same public site. You are a real sweetheart to be around, aren't you now? :goodj:

You say they are dead. The Bible teaches that they are alive, in Christ, and in heaven! Your theory is that my sin filled soul here on earth can pray for you but a soul in heaven with no sin and with God already can't pray for you? Hmmmmm......your theory needs some tweeks!

Scripture speaks of the prayers of the faithful living on earth going thru saints in heaven to God! But I already know that you are not truly interested in having a discussion and I am just another freaky catholic soooooo why waste my time teaching you Scripture?
 
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Judas was possessed by Satan.Judas did not therefore sin.
Thanks Gabriel.

I have never heard that teaching before. How did you, or the person who taught you that, come to that conclusion?

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