Well, God didn't say that. (at least not as you meant it) THAT is the point.You'll have to argue with God about that. If God says man is without excuse, then man is WITHOUT excuse!
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Well, God didn't say that. (at least not as you meant it) THAT is the point.You'll have to argue with God about that. If God says man is without excuse, then man is WITHOUT excuse!
I don't read calvin and could care lessl. God chose me, I didn't choose Him. You should listen to some testimonies from people of how God chose them. Romans 8:29 is correct. Chosen and predestined, by God..I got my information from God's Word so this is not of any private interpretation.
You should really consider getting your doctrine from God's Word instead of commentaries...
The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)
God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)
God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)
Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)
In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.
burning and non burning also!I hear there are options.
- Original recipe, or...
- Extra crispy
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I don't read calvin and could care lessl. God chose me, I didn't choose Him. You should listen to some testimonies from people of how God chose them. Romans 8:29 is correct. Chosen and predestined, by God..
twas a joke for compartments of hell burning or non burning, like smoking or non smoking!How so?
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What did I learn? Nothing I didn’t already know….Drew (and company) travels to Jerusalem to visit hell and
finds it to be a very pleasant place actually. Say what?
- What did you learn from the video?
LOLtwas a joke for compartments of hell burning or non burning, like smoking or non smoking!
That there is One who has the power and the wisdom to create all this. All this includes me. So I must be His, not just my own person here by random chance. No, if all this was made, as it obviously was, then we are all responsible to the maker.Question: Where is the gospel message in recognizing the creator in creation?
"He who has suffered has ceased from sin."What did I learn? Nothing I didn’t already know….
“The catholic church” adopted the concept of hell from the Greeks, and it was indeed a powerful tool in scaring the pants off small children and adults alike……do we really think that God wants to emotionally blackmail people into serving him like some despotic tyrant?
There is no hell of eternal torment and there never was. The highest penalty paid under God’s law was death….there was no torture involved, just removal from life. What does it benefit anyone to suffer forever with no way to repent?
In context…1 Peter 4:1-2…"He who has suffered has ceased from sin."
That is not quite the way I read it….Suffering stops sin without violating anyone's choices. You can choose to sin when you are suffering, but you don't because you are so consumed with the suffering. Moderate suffering, you can still rail against God. But this kind of suffering, it will occupy you so fully that you won't.
What is this place that God has reserved for the devil and his angels? Is it not the “lake of fire”? (Gehenna)So all those who have chosen their own way, God allows that, and they enter the only other destination there is, which was originally made for the devil and his angels.
Of course not….Jesus came to eradicate sin and death so that these things will never plague mankind again.But just because God allows the results of their choice doesn't mean He will allow sin to continue eternally.
So then you dont believe God:I never felt tormented. But the hell doctrine was always a glitch in Christianity.
Hard to reconcile the God of love doing such a thing.
Seriously?
I thought it was the opposite. IMHO
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Don't believe God? - LOL (is your leather-bound god made of paper and ink?)So then you dont believe God:
Destroyed Sodom and Gamorrah and all the people therein?
Drowned Pharoah's army in the Red Sea?
Struck Judah's 2 eldest children dead for their wickedness?
Struck Ananaias and Sapphira dead for lying to the Holy Spirit?
The list goes on, but the point is that GOD IS NOT A HIPPIE! Nor is He a cosmic doormat. God loves us, yes, however, God is also Holy and Just. Those who choose wickedness over God WILL face His wrath and WILL be punished.
You are correct-- they don't bother me in the least. Who am I to have the preposterously unmitigated gall to presume to sit in judgment on the Lord?Don't believe God? - LOL (is your leather-bound god made of paper and ink?)
You forgot the global genocide of Noah's flood. That was a biggie.
As horrible as all these things are (which doesn't bother you in the least) they all pale in comparison to ECT.
That's my point. No earthly despot in history past or yet to come could top that.
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There is no hell of eternal torment and there never was.
Would you feel differently if you were one of the vast majority that God allegedly predestined to ECT?You are correct-- they don't bother me in the least. Who am I to have the preposterously unmitigated gall to presume to sit in judgment on the Lord?
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No I don't think Jesus was lying, I believe that many misinterpret what the scriptures are saying because they do not do their homework thoroughly.So you think Jesus was lying when HE spoke of hell and those going there being tormented for eternity?
LOL....there is no "HELL" in the OT.Scriptures on hell
OLD TESTAMENT
Again you have apparently done no homework on the actual words mistranslated as "hell" in these verses. Original language word studies make a world of difference to our understanding of what the Bible is actually saying. It allows us to view the verses as the ones addressed and the writers, would have understood them....not as Christendom has misinterpreted them.NEW TESTAMENT
This "everlasting fire" was symbolized by the flames of "gehenna" never going out, (unquenchable fire) and what the flames missed, the maggots finished off (the worms that never die)....it was symbolic of being cast off by God into everlasting death..."the second death".the Bible warns of the eternity and permanency of hell!
You cannot use your finite mind to know our infinite God. All of God ways are just and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. Jesus said there is a hell with an unquenchable fire, and I'll just have to believe it.There is no such thing as "eternal damnation" as an eternal conscious punishment.....eternal death IS an eternal punishment, and for God this is enough of a penalty against the wicked. He has no use for them so he simply eliminates them from existence...why does he need to do more for justice to be served?
If there is a hell (ECT), then God's thoughts are LOWER than our thoughts, NOT higher.You cannot use your finite mind to know our infinite God. All of God ways are just and His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. Jesus said there is a hell with an unquenchable fire, and I'll just have to believe it.
Again you have apparently done no homework on the actual words mistranslated as "hell" in these verses.