Jesus kept the Sabbath

[BarneyFife]

"Remembering" is not the commandment, but simply a reminder to "keep" the Sabbath...which is the actual commandment. "Remember to keep" it. "Keep" being the operative word.

Thus, you are under the wrong impression regarding the Sabbath.

No.
No.

The commandment is "REMEMBER the Sabbath day to keep it holy."

And the infinitive-absolute "REMEMBER" (זָכ֛וֹר֩) precedes, both in order and operativity, the infinitive-construct verbal phrase "to keep it holy" (לְקַדְּשֽׁ֗וֹ‪‬).

Are there worldly benefits to having a day of rest every week? Yes, of course. But the things of this world are not the main focus of what God has been about doing in the world. The main focus is rather the kingdom of God. So, unless you only want or care about the consolation prize that comes with the repetitive schooling that God has been drilling into His message for all of history--you should be asking why: If the kingdom of God is not of this world--what is this Sabbath repetition all about; and if the world was created and finished in 6 days--does the Sabbath rest of God (the 7th day) revealed from the beginning of creation even actually have anything to do with the world?

Well, the best reason to do what God says to do is because He's God and He said to do it.

But, concerning the above-quoted paragraph, I'm having a hard time figuring out whether, according to you, the "Sabbath repetition" business only passes muster if it's relevant to "the world" or "the kingdom of God."

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[Big Boy Johnson]

He doesn't say what "being called least in the kingdom of heaven" means, but it doesn't sound like something I'd care to try.

And, Jesus also never included Saturday sabbath in any of the commands He gave in the New Testament as Himself being the High Priest over New Testament believers.

Maybe someday you guys can show us in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles taught that Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath.

Without that... you have no basis to make the claim that Saturday sabbath is a requirement for New Testament believers who are no longer under the law of Moses but are now living under grace which is the Law of Christ, aka law of liberty.

 

[BarneyFife]

And, Jesus also never included Saturday sabbath in any of the commands He gave in the New Testament as Himself being the High Priest over New Testament believers.

Maybe someday you guys can show us in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles taught that Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath.

Without that... you have no basis to make the claim that Saturday sabbath is a requirement for New Testament believers who are no longer under the law of Moses but are now living under grace which is the Law of Christ, aka law of liberty.

I can only assume that you're pretending this hasn't already been addressed (here) for the sole purpose of being obnoxious since, well, that's what you do.

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[Big Boy Johnson]

I can only assume that you're pretending this hasn't already been addressed (here) for the sole purpose of being obnoxious since, well, that's what you do.

And of course in your reply... you somehow did not provide any scripture references from the New Testament. Weird!

Rather than getting upset and calling me names... maybe you could just set the record straight and show us chapter and verse from the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles taught that Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath that would be great!

I'll check in latter to see if you've found the time to dig up these scripture references.

 

[quietthinker]

And of course in your reply... you somehow did not provide any scripture references from the New Testament. Weird!

Rather than getting upset and calling me names... maybe you could just set the record straight and show us chapter and verse from the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles taught that Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath that would be great!

I'll check in latter to see if you've found the time to dig up these scripture references. View attachment 39120

let me see.....I couldn't find anything where Jesus said directly, don't steal.....hmmm, sooooo, what about robbing a bank?; you know, do a Robin Hood thing......rob the rich and give to the poor. Doesn't that sound honourable?
...oh, I forgot to add, you can kill other mothers sons and get medals for it.....I didn't hear Jesus saying directly that was bad!

 

[ScottA]

No.
No.

The commandment is "REMEMBER the Sabbath day to keep it holy."

And the infinitive-absolute "REMEMBER" (זָכ֛וֹר֩) precedes, both in order and operativity, the infinitive-construct verbal phrase "to keep it holy" (לְקַדְּשֽׁ֗וֹ‪‬).



Well, the best reason to do what God says to do is because He's God and He said to do it.

But, concerning the above-quoted paragraph, I'm having a hard time figuring out whether, according to you, the "Sabbath repetition" business only passes muster if it's relevant to "the world" or "the kingdom of God."

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You're missing the point. When was the commandment given? It was given thousands of years before the fulfillment of the foretold first creation week which was a foreshadowing of what was to come at the end of the ages (when the foretold "finish" is to come). The point being, humanity would need to "remember" that original message and endure thousands of years of unfolding revelation--the revealing of the man of sin--us, the children of Eve.

If you have not put this together, you're not paying attention, but blinded by the trees of the greater forest. Time to wake up. The seventh angel is about to sound...and one either lives or dies knowing the actual truth.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

let me see.....I couldn't find anything where Jesus said directly, don't steal.....hmmm, sooooo, what about robbing a bank?; you know, do a Robin Hood thing......rob the rich and give to the poor. Doesn't that sound honourable?
...oh, I forgot to add, you can kill other mothers sons and get medals for it.....I didn't hear Jesus saying directly that was bad!

Go back and see my post about the 10 Commandments in the New Testament.... they're all in the NT except for keeping Saturday sabbath

In the NT the "sabbath" means much more than than resting just one day a week like it did in the old testament and it's not called sabbath but rest which was the original reason for the sabbath in the OT

The rest believers receive by abiding IN Christ with their entire lives having ceased from their own work is what God wanted from the beginning and the OT sabbath was just a shadow of what was to come in the New Testament.

In the New Testament we are under a better covenant with better promises with Jesus Christ as out High Priest... it don't get no better than this!

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

You're missing the point. When was the commandment given? It was given thousands of years before the fulfillment of the foretold first creation week which was a foreshadowing of what was to come at the end of the ages (when the foretold "finish" is to come). The point being, humanity would need to "remember" that original message and end thousands of years of unfolding revelation--the revealing of the man of sin--us, the children of Eve.

If you have not put this together, you're not paying attention, but blinded by the trees of the greater forest. Time to wake up. The seventh angel is about to sound...and one either lives or dies knowing the actual truth.

Maybe you should pray attention.

Immanuel-Jesus told his disciples,all of us per their relating his words, if they,we, love him we will keep his commands.
He had also reiterated the 9 commands,and had even stated he is Lord of the Sabbath.

Now, for you to errantly claim those moral instructions, reinterations,reminders to carry them forth,no longer apply, when Jesus instruction proves they did and do, you have to show where Immanuel-Jesus added a caveat.

Show the passage where He stated, the moral guidelines that he gave,in both old and new covenants , those divine instructions that are part of righteous living in Him, stop! No longer matter,nor apply.

After he dies to save the world from the sins that exist in the individual because those characteristics embodied by the moral platform He established, do not exist already in sinners.

Immanuel-Jesus fulfilled Messiah prophecy. He fulfilled the laws of God by keeping the laws perfectly. None of that vacated one jot not tittle of his commands. As he said.

Because the Messiah prophecies are extensive.
His mission to save us,have his blood cover and redeem the world from sin, was accomplished from the cross,yes.

This does not mean His guidance in our moral behavior ceased at that same moment.

Those laws,as He said,are written now on our hearts so that we are never far from them. And not coincidentally, His Holy Spirit dwells within us too and at the same time.

Picture it like this. A perfect divine navigator and temple librarian is seated comfortably at His desk in the Reference section located within each of us.
And as we browse the aisles,this world,and live our lives and encounter challenges, He hands us a map
,the spirit guidance in His moral commands, that leads us to overcome,or navigate, that given situation.

It would be contrary to all Immanuel-Jesus stood for,died for,to insist the job of that Divine Navigator,Librarian, has no more references to offer us because He died to erase that wisdom from gaining our attention now.

Rather than insist none of us get it,maybe humble yourself to realize all your protestation posts show us, it is you who does not understand.
Stop thinking it is you who knows. Maybe then God will show you what you are suppose to know was already taught over 2000 years ago. And has no expiration.

 

[bro.tan]

Paul say in 2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him. Now any Christian in their right mind wouldn’t dare say that it’s okay to steal, kill or commit adultery or break any of the other seven commandments. But when it comes to the fourth commandment, people avoid it like a plague! They are either uninformed about which day is the Sabbath day of the God of the Bible or they are just following the tradition of religion that was passed down through the family or maybe they have let some preacher give them other excuses for ignoring God’s true day of worship.


(Gen.2:2-5) (v.2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (v.3) And God blessed the seventh day (every seventh day of the week is a blessed and holy day) and sanctified it (it is a day that is separated (sanctified) for a purpose) because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. (v.5) “and there was not a man to till the ground.” There was not a Jew, Catholic, Baptist, or Seventh Day Adventist; in fact, there was not a Christian when He constituted the Sabbath Day!


Jesus Christ (John 1:1-3, 10-14) 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


He is the one who rested on the Sabbath day and commanded that you do the same. If you really understood the scriptures you would realize that He was the one who became known as Jesus who gave you the Ten Commandments. So not only did He command you to cease from your work on that day He also commanded you to. (Lev.23:3) “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the Sabbath of rest, an holy convocation;” He said on the Sabbath day that you should also have an holy convocation, which means holy gathering or simply put, go to church.

Remember in Acts 7: 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

 

[BarneyFife]

And, Jesus also never included Saturday sabbath in any of the commands He gave in the New Testament as Himself being the High Priest over New Testament believers.

Maybe someday you guys can show us in the New Testament where Jesus or His Apostles taught that Christians are required to keep Saturday sabbath.

Without that... you have no basis to make the claim that Saturday sabbath is a requirement for New Testament believers who are no longer under the law of Moses but are now living under grace which is the Law of Christ, aka law of liberty.

Aw, sure we do. And stop saying silly stuff like that over and over. Have some pride in your ability to reason without being monotonous.

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[ScottA]

Maybe you should pray attention.

Immanuel-Jesus told his disciples,all of us per their relating his words, if they,we, love him we will keep his commands.
He had also reiterated the 9 commands,and had even stated he is Lord of the Sabbath.

Now, for you to errantly claim those moral instructions, reinterations,reminders to carry them forth,no longer apply, when Jesus instruction proves they did and do, you have to show where Immanuel-Jesus added a caveat.

Show the passage where He stated, the moral guidelines that he gave,in both old and new covenants , those divine instructions that are part of righteous living in Him, stop! No longer matter,nor apply.

After he dies to save the world from the sins that exist in the individual because those characteristics embodied by the moral platform He established, do not exist already in sinners.

Immanuel-Jesus fulfilled Messiah prophecy. He fulfilled the laws of God by keeping the laws perfectly. None of that vacated one jot not tittle of his commands. As he said.

Because the Messiah prophecies are extensive.
His mission to save us,have his blood cover and redeem the world from sin, was accomplished from the cross,yes.

This does not mean His guidance in our moral behavior ceased at that same moment.

Those laws,as He said,are written now on our hearts so that we are never far from them. And not coincidentally, His Holy Spirit dwells within us too and at the same time.

Picture it like this. A perfect divine navigator and temple librarian is seated comfortably at His desk in the Reference section located within each of us.
And as we browse the aisles,this world,and live our lives and encounter challenges, He hands us a map
,the spirit guidance in His moral commands, that leads us to overcome,or navigate, that given situation.

It would be contrary to all Immanuel-Jesus stood for,died for,to insist the job of that Divine Navigator,Librarian, has no more references to offer us because He died to erase that wisdom from gaining our attention now.

Rather than insist none of us get it,maybe humble yourself to realize all your protestation posts show us, it is you who does not understand.
Stop thinking it is you who knows. Maybe then God will show you what you are suppose to know was already taught over 2000 years ago. And has no expiration.

You too are missing the point.

John 3:11​

Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness.​

I have been speaking the words of scripture the whole time: "Which is greater" (a point and test to understanding given to us by Jesus)--the practice or that which the practice points to? Do you also look for another temple made of stone--did you not understand it only pointed to "the Temple of His body?"

The things of this age of darkness only point to the Light, but they themselves are not the Light. "What communion has light with darkness?"

 

[BarneyFife]

You too are missing the point.

John 3:11​

Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness.​

I have been speaking the words of scripture the whole time: "Which is greater" (a point and test to understanding given to us by Jesus)--the practice or that which the practice points to? Do you also look for another temple made of stone--did you not understand it only pointed to "the Temple of His body?"

The things of this age of darkness only point to the Light, but they themselves are not the Light. "What communion has light with darkness?"

It seems odd that you insist upon an ever-floating point that is esteemed "greater" only by yourself.

You are entitled to your priorities and emphases from Scripture.

But to urge them as "THE point" is just a denial of the 3/4 million (English, at least) words that we are expected by God to make our study.

Jesus showed the Emmaus Road travelers "all things concerning Himself" (from the Old Testament, no less)—not "THE point" (which virtually always seems to depend on some sophisticated interpretation of the Pauline pen).

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[ScottA]

It seems odd that you insist upon an ever-floating point that is esteemed "greater" only by yourself.

You are entitled to your priorities and emphases from Scripture.

But to urge them as "THE point" is just a denial of the 3/4 million (English, at least) words that we are expected by God to make our study.

Jesus showed the Emmaus Road travelers "all things concerning Himself" (from the Old Testament, no less)—not "THE point" (which virtually always seems to depend on some sophisticated interpretation of the Pauline pen).

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And you are entitled to your assessment as well...not unexpected. But you should reread what I wrote--I was not speaking of "Which is greater?" referring to my own testimony--but quoting the scriptures.

You're a good man, but what did you think the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His prophets would look like? (Rhetorical)

This would be a good time to read the book of Jude.

 

[Gabriel _Arch]

It seems odd that you insist upon an ever-floating point that is esteemed "greater" only by yourself.

You are entitled to your priorities and emphases from Scripture.

But to urge them as "THE point" is just a denial of the 3/4 million (English, at least) words that we are expected by God to make our study.

Jesus showed the Emmaus Road travelers "all things concerning Himself" (from the Old Testament, no less)—not "THE point" (which virtually always seems to depend on some sophisticated interpretation of the Pauline pen).

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What we are seeing in their posts ,in my view, is what is observed in Proverbs 21. Stubborn pride.
This has been said by many far before I recall it here. When God's words do not humble the proud, God's people shall not reach those ones either.

Scott is in his own stronghold. His own doctrine gives him comfort there. He doesn't read us,because he is not at that place where he is humbled so to learn something more than what he thinks.

 

[BarneyFife]

You're a good man,

You're much too kind to say so, and it shows, in part, what kind of a man you truly are.

what did you think the finish of the mystery of God as He declared to His prophets would look like? (Rhetorical)

Honestly, If Jesus Christ is same yesterday, today, and forever," wouldn't it look anything like all things written of Him in the law, the prophets, and the apostles?

This would be a good time to read the book of Jude.

I will do that solely at your request right now, my friend.

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[BarneyFife]

What we are seeing in their posts ,in my view, is what is observed in Proverbs 21. Stubborn pride.
This has been said by many far before I recall it here. When God's words do not humble the proud, God's people shall not reach those ones either.

Scott is in his own stronghold. His own doctrine gives him comfort there. He doesn't read us,because he is not at that place where he is humbled so to learn something more than what he thinks.

It is a perilous undertaking to ascribe motive. It is scarcely a wise course.

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[Gabriel _Arch]

It is a perilous undertaking to ascribe motive. It is scarcely a wise course.

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Motive? Mine was an observation of their presumptions upon SDA, coupled with the obstinate pride driven insistence they only know the truth on this subject. And as such refuse to concede they're wrong at times. Which,as you have noted,is the case,at times.


P.S, you'll notice also their OP undertaking in forums wherein they post as a presumed teacher of their way of seeing Biblical teachings. As they attempt to do in this thread.

 

[BarneyFife]

Motive? Mine was an observation of their presumptions upon SDA, coupled with the obstinate pride driven insistence they only know the truth on this subject. And as such refuse to concede they're wrong at times. Which,as you have noted,is the case,at times.


P.S, you'll notice also their OP undertaking in forums wherein they post as a presumed teacher of their way of seeing Biblical teachings. As they attempt to do in this thread.

I wasn't questioning your motives and I didn't mean to be critical, but I can tell you from experience that the "us-and-them" road is a long and lonely one because Christ never walks there.

He never suffered bullies, though, and we do indeed have them, as you can see. But pride is a hard enough thing to measure in our own hearts and once found, even harder to root out.

You seem to be doing fine here. I certainly enjoy your participation and your point of view.

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[BarneyFife]

This would be a good time to read the book of Jude.

I just read the book of Jude. It is always good to read Scripture by appointment. I wish I could report noticing something fresh and new but, alas...

Perhaps a seed is sown of which I am not yet aware.

Thank you for your encouragement.

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[ScottA]

Honestly, If Jesus Christ is same yesterday, today, and forever," wouldn't it look anything like all things written of Him in the law, the prophets, and the apostles?

This is true...but do consider that it all comes under the form of parables, told and only explained to some, and only to all in spirit. Such is "every word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

Psalm 78​

Give ear, O my people, to my law;​

Incline your ears to the words of my mouth.​

2 I will open my mouth in a parable;​

I will utter dark sayings of old,​

3 Which we have heard and known,​

And our fathers have told us.​

4 We will not hide them from their children,​

Telling to the generation to come the praises of the Lord,​

And His strength and His wonderful works that He has done.​

5 For He established a testimony in Jacob,​

And appointed a law in Israel,​

Which He commanded our fathers,​

That they should make them known to their children;​

6 That the generation to come might know them,​

The children who would be born,​

That they may arise and declare them to their children,​

7 That they may set their hope in God,​

And not forget the works of God,​

But keep His commandments;​

8 And may not be like their fathers,​

A stubborn and rebellious generation,​

A generation that did not set its heart aright,​

And whose spirit was not faithful to God.​

9 The children of Ephraim, being armed and [d]carrying bows,​

Turned back in the day of battle.​

10 They did not keep the covenant of God;​

They refused to walk in His law,​

11 And forgot His works​

And His wonders that He had shown them.​

12 Marvelous things He did in the sight of their fathers,​

In the land of Egypt, in the field of Zoan.​

13 He divided the sea and caused them to pass through;​

And He made the waters stand up like a heap.​

14 In the daytime also He led them with the cloud,​

And all the night with a light of fire.​

15 He split the rocks in the wilderness,​

And gave them drink in abundance like the depths.​

16 He also brought streams out of the rock,​

And caused waters to run down like rivers.​

17 But they sinned even more against Him​

By rebelling against the Most High in the wilderness.​

18 And they tested God in their heart​

By asking for the food of their fancy.​

19 Yes, they spoke against God:​

They said, “Can God prepare a table in the wilderness?​

20 Behold, He struck the rock,​

So that the waters gushed out,​

And the streams overflowed.​

Can He give bread also?​

Can He provide meat for His people?”​

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Matthew 13:34-35​

All these things Jesus spoke to the multitude in parables; and without a parable He did not speak to them,​

that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying: “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things kept secret from the foundation of the world.”​