Teachings By The Asps That Hide Here

[L.A.M.B.]

Now I remember why I took a break from this place.

A discussion that stalled in September was revived today.

I imagine to do that took a lot of digging. Just to vent.

Are you better than your enemy?

I'm sorry
No flesh and blood is my enemy, praying God unite us all against our common enemy, the devil !

 

[BlessedPeace]

I'm sorry
No flesh and blood is my enemy, praying God unite us all against our common enemy, the devil !

(Hugs) Amen.

 

[Earburner]

Only an asp would go directly against what is written in the Word of God. The English grammar of Revelation 20 is not the problem with false doctrines like Amillennialism. Rev.20 is easy to understand. The problem is with those deceived who are too lazy to do their own homework in study of God's Word. Then those would not be deceived by the asps that preach false doctrines like Amillennialism.

That depends on HOW and who you study God's word THROUGH.
1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but [rather] in the power [Holy Spirit] of God.
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[PinSeeker]

Psalms 2:6-9
Now apologise and retract your false statement.

If you are saying Jesus was always, from His birth, a King, then I agree. He said so.

As for the AMill belief, the idea of Jesus reigning now, is so far removed from the reality of todays situation, as to be impossible.

Who is your King, Keraz? Who, right now, is your King? Now, regarding your "reality of today's situation," it may seem that Jesus is not reigning, but let me assure you, this is not the case.

The fact of how almost 6000 years have passed since Adam, is a positive indication of a final 1000 years of people living how God intended it to be. Under the rule of a benevolent and righteous King.

Well, no, it's a positive indication that there is nothing new under the sun, as the writer of Ecclesiastes (King Solomon) says. And we know that when this benevolent and righteous King returns, He will finally usher in His Kingdom in its fullness. And then, as Isaiah says, everlasting joy will be on our heads, and we shall obtain gladness and joy. and all sorrow and sighing will flee away. As John says, He will dwell with us, and we will be His people, and God Himself will be with us as their God. And He will wipe away every tear from our eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things will have passed away... All things will have been made new. Hard to imagine, but true.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Keraz]

And we know that when this benevolent and righteous King returns, He will finally usher in His Kingdom in its fullness.

An admission from you, that the situation now is different from the situation after Jesus Returns.

He is King in waiting now and does not exert any control over worldly affairs.
After Jesus Returns, He will live in Jerusalem and will have world control. As Isaiah 2:1-5 and Zechariah 14:16-21 describe.

 

[Truthnightmare]

An admission from you, that the situation now is different from the situation after Jesus Returns.

He is King in waiting now and does not exert any control over worldly affairs.
After Jesus Returns, He will live in Jerusalem and will have world control. As Isaiah 2:1-5 and Zechariah 14:16-21 describe.

Greetings… Jesus does exert control over worldly affairs, this is indeed laid out in scripture friend.

He is King in waiting now and does not exert any control over worldly affairs.

Looking at the world I can see how one would surmise this, however we are told different.

Hebrews 2
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

And If Jesus is God, which I believe; then we can present the following.

Romans 13
13 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

 

[BlessedPeace]

It is never wise to presume to state one knows the mind of Christ today, beyond what he left us in scripture, while insisting their presumptions is a fact.

That's hubris and pride. Not a good look.

 

[Keraz]

8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

You fail to read and understand all the scriptures, cherrypicking leads to error.
Hebrews 10:12-13 .....Jesus now sits at God's right hand, where He now waits until His enemies are made His footstool.

 

[Earburner]

Psalms 2:6-9
Now apologise and retract your false statement.

As for the AMill belief, the idea of Jesus reigning now, is so far removed from the reality of todays situation, as to be impossible.
The fact of how almost 6000 years have passed since Adam, is a positive indication of a final 1000 years of people living how God intended it to be. Under the rule of a benevolent and righteous King.

Ok, so let's look at Psalms 2 and ask: which "holy hill Zion [Sion]" is God talking about?

Psalms 2
[4] He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
[5] Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
[6] Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
[7] I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

> Psalms 2:4-7 is specfically seen in greater detail through the prophecy of Zech. 9:9.
[9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
> Of which was fulfilled in the following:
Mat. 21
[5] Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
John 12
[15] Fear not, daughter of Sion: behold, thy King cometh, sitting on an ass's colt.

> Scripturally, we KNOW that God's holy hill is NOT the earthly Jerusalem, for that Jerusalem is "the daughter of Sion", and it is she who is that woman who "is fallen".
Rev. 17:1-6
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Rev.14
[8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev.18
[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

> If therefore the "daughter" is earthly Jerusalem, who then was her "mother"?
Ans. Gal. 4
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all [Who are of faith in Jesus].

> Now, ever since Jesus resurrected and ascended into heaven, and is NOW seated at the right hand of God, from WHERE, and in WHICH "holy hill of Zion" shall Jesus reign from?
Ans. Heavenly Zion, and not that of the earthly daughter of Zion.

 

[PinSeeker]

An admission from you, that the situation now is different from the situation after Jesus Returns.

Not an admission; I've always acknowledged the simultaneous now-and-not-yet of the Kingdom. Talked about it many times...

He is King in waiting now and does not exert any control over worldly affairs.

He's... not waiting to rule. I agree ~ in a certain sense ~ that He is "King in waiting now." But He's not waiting to rule.

Yeah, so now we're getting into... or at least we could get into what you and I think His rule looks like. There would be... differences, there, I think... But, at least you... somewhat... acknowledge that Jesus is ~ right now ~ your King. That's good enough for me.

After Jesus Returns, He will live in Jerusalem and will have world control.

So yeah, you think He has no "world control" now? Ugh.

As Isaiah 2:1-5 and Zechariah 14:16-21 describe.

Hmmm. Well, as I say, we could get into a discussion on these things, and I think there would be some agreement as well as disagreement, but... probably not the best idea.

Grace and peace to you, Keraz.

 

[Keraz]

Ans. Heavenly Zion, and not that of the earthly daughter of Zion.

This belief directly contradicts the whole story of how Abraham and his descendants were given the holy Land. Ancient Israel took it over, but were exiled for their sins.
Now; some people from the tribe of Judah occupy a small part of that special place. I have lived there for a time and know the ambiance and feeling of how it is God's Land.

Soon, the Lord will sort out the current problems of the Middle East, by sending His fiery wrath, which will virtually depopulate the holy Land. Jeremiah 10:18; Hosea 4:3, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +
The Christian peoples will migrate there and join with the Jewish remnant. They will build the Temple on Mount Zion and Jesus will reign from it when He Returns. Isaiah 2:3, Zephaniah 14:16-21

Spiritualizing the Holy Land, is a mistake, as it is a real place and does have real significance.

 

[Keraz]

Well, as I say, we could get into a discussion on these things, and I think there would be some agreement as well as disagreement, but... probably not the best idea.

What is the best idea; is to study and understand what the Prophetic Word tells us.
I have pointed out the Prophesies which plainly tell us about the forthcoming end time events.

Jesus is not in control of world affairs now, we are going our own way and it is leading to disaster.
But very soon, Jesus will intervene and dramatically change the world, commencing all the Prophesied things which will lead up to the glorious Return of the King of Kinga and Lord of Lords. Revelation 19:16

 

[PinSeeker]

What is the best idea; is to study and understand what the Prophetic Word tells us.

You mean, as if I haven't?

I have pointed out the Prophesies which plainly tell us about the forthcoming end time events.

Yes, you have, but...

Jesus is not in control of world affairs now, we are going our own way and it is leading to disaster.

Well, is it not true that, for now, God works all things ~ all things, Keraz ~ together for the good of those who love Him and are called according to His purpose?

But very soon, Jesus will intervene and dramatically change the world...

Ah, well, He will indeed return, and... we will/shall all be changed...

...commencing all the Prophesied things which will lead up to the glorious Return of the King of Kinga and Lord of Lords. Revelation 19:16

Ah, yes, there it is... again. Well, I say ~ yet again ~ that "all the prophesied things," or the fulfillment of the prophecies, have already been commenced, but are not yet completed. Again (although I may or may not have said this directly to you; I don't remember at this point), there are many, many fulfillments of most of these things over the course of the millennium, not just one; that's why I say they are not yet completed. And here again is my disagreement with you and others that all the events described in Revelation 20, specifically the events of Revelation 20:1-6, take place chronologically subsequent to the events described in Revelation 19:11-21, as premillennial believers (whether you would consider yourself one of those or not) would have it, for several reasons, namely:

• The final battle in 20:7-10 is the same as the final battle in Revelation 16:14, 16; Revelation 17:14; Revelation 19:11-21.
• Similar language from Ezekiel 38-39 is used in the various descriptions of the final battle.
• The judgment of Satan in Revelation 20:10 parallels the judgments against Babylon (Revelation 17-18) and against the Beast and the False Prophet (Revelation 19:11-21). These enemies of God all receive their doom, and the visions depicting their doom are thematically (rather than chronologically) arranged.
• Certain features in Revelation 20:11-15 correspond to earlier descriptions of the Second Coming (Revelation 6:14; Revelation 11:18).
• Most important, all Christ’s enemies have been destroyed in Revelation 19:11-21. If Revelation 20:1-6 were to represent events later than Revelation 19:11-21, there would be no one left for Satan to deceive in Revelation 20:3.

So, again, I assert that the events of Revelation 19:11-21 are parallel, but with a slightly different focus therein, to Revelation 20:7-10.

Yes, I'm well aware that you strongly disagree. That's... okay, Karaz. It's okay. And I don't mean that in a "talking down to you" way at all; it should be okay with you, too, I think, the disagreement between us.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Earburner]

This belief directly contradicts the whole story of how Abraham and his descendants were given the holy Land. Ancient Israel took it over, but were exiled for their sins.
Now; some people from the tribe of Judah occupy a small part of that special place. I have lived there for a time and know the ambiance and feeling of how it is God's Land.

Soon, the Lord will sort out the current problems of the Middle East, by sending His fiery wrath, which will virtually depopulate the holy Land. Jeremiah 10:18; Hosea 4:3, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +
The Christian peoples will migrate there and join with the Jewish remnant. They will build the Temple on Mount Zion and Jesus will reign from it when He Returns. Isaiah 2:3, Zephaniah 14:16-21

Spiritualizing the Holy Land, is a mistake, as it is a real place and does have real significance.

I recommend that all professing Christians should restudy all of 1 Cor. ch.2 and all of Gal. ch. 4, to get a strong grip through the teaching of the Holy Spirit, of who the two prophetic "mothers" are.

All need to discern the difference between Heavenly Zion, the "mother" of us all, [who are of faith in Christ], and that of the Daughter of Zion, the "mother" which "is fallen".
1 Cor. 2
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[Davy]

Amazing how many do not study their Bible but just believe the false doctrines of men pushed upon them. They don't even check their teachers out in God's Word for themselves! That means those are guaranteed... spiritual blindness.

And one of their proofs of that blindness is their believing that 'today', Christ's Kingdom has already come on earth, and that Jesus is now reigning over all nations and peoples on earth!!! What a GROSS LIE FROM THE DEVIL!

Do you folks want to know how stupid that idea is that Lord Jesus is reigning over the wicked on earth today is?? It would mean that Lord Jesus doesn't have ENOUGH POWER OVER THE EVIL TO STOP THEIR WICKED ACTS THEY STILL DO TODAY! It means a slap in the face of Lord Jesus Christ, and that's a reason why that idea is a doctrine of the devil!

Jesus' Kingdom today is in SPIRIT ONLY through His Church, and that has NOTHING to do with a geographic Church building or yard with a sign. When Jesus does return in the future, THEN HIS PHYSICAL KINGDOM WILL BEGIN OVER THE EARTH, LITERALLY. And ALL nations and peoples will be SUBDUED with His "rod of iron" He is reign with! The wicked won't be able to continue their wicked ways then, as written. ALL knees will then bow to Jesus Christ in that time, whether they like it or not!

And I believe there are some ASPS here on this Forum that just don't like that idea, as written in God's Word! Tough, I say.

 

[Keraz]

Most important, all Christ’s enemies have been destroyed in Revelation 19:11-21. If Revelation 20:1-6 were to represent events later than Revelation 19:11-21, there would be no one left for Satan to deceive in Revelation 20:3.

Yes, Christs enemies will all be gone and maybe only a million or so faithful Christians will go with Jesus into the Millennium.
But with normal procreation with no wars, plagues and longer lives, Isaiah 65:20, there will be many millions at the end of the thousand years. Satan will be able to deceive quite a lot of them, just as Revelation 20:7-9 tells us.

Your AMill belief is wrong and just makes for error and confusion.

He is reign with! The wicked won't be able to continue their wicked ways then, as written. ALL knees will then bow to Jesus Christ in that time, whether they like it or not!

There will be no sin in the Millennium, as Satan will not be able to deceive people. Until he is released, then the final 'winnowing out' will take place and only people who have proved their faith will become immortal in Eternity.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, Christs enemies will all be gone...

No, because the millennium does not follow Christ's return ~ more specifically to you and several others here, the events of Revelation 20:1-6 do not occur after the events of Revelation 19:11-21; insistence that they do merely because chapter 20 follows chapter 19 in Revelation is what causes the problem, which was my point. Christ's return follows the millennium. Again, in reading those two chapters in Revelation, what should be seen is that the events of Revelation 19:11-21 are the same as, but with a different emphasis on certain things, as Revelation 20:7-10.

and maybe only a million or so faithful Christians will go with Jesus into the Millennium.

Again, the millennium will be over when Jesus returns; the close of the millennium; which is at the completion of God's Israel, is exactly what prompts Jesus's return.

But with normal procreation with no wars, plagues and longer lives, Isaiah 65:20, there will be many millions at the end of the thousand years. Satan will be able to deceive quite a lot of them, just as Revelation 20:7-9 tells us.

This is... quite the conflation of two different things. There will be many still alive when Jesus returns, that we agree on.

Your AMill belief is wrong and just makes for error and confusion.

LOL! No, but I well understand why it seems that way to you.

There will be no sin in the Millennium, as Satan will not be able to deceive people.

Disagree. See above.

Until he is released, then the final 'winnowing out' will take place and only people who have proved their faith will become immortal in Eternity.

Ah. Hm. Yeah, no.

Grace and peace to you, Keraz

 

[marks]

3. Pre-trib Rapture Theory -- a false doctrine designed by the devil's servants to prepare its followers to bow to the first supernatural Messiah that appears, which will be the Antichrist and not Lord Jesus Who comes after that "man of sin".

Personally I find this suggestion incredible that a person would mistake the beast appearing on the earth with being caught up into the sky, being transformed into a resurrection state, incorruptible and immortal, to then be with Jesus.

Are you seriously suggesting I would mistake these two things?

Much love!

 

[quietthinker]

If Lord Jesus and His Apostles didn't teach it, then it's easy to know that the asps dreamed it up instead.

1. Full Preterism seminary doctrine -- a false doctrine that does NOT believe in a future literal bodily return of Jesus Christ.

2. Preterism -- a false doctrine designed to PREVENT Christ's servants from understanding His SIGNS of the END He gave leading up to His future return.

3. Pre-trib Rapture Theory -- a false doctrine designed by the devil's servants to prepare its followers to bow to the first supernatural Messiah that appears, which will be the Antichrist and not Lord Jesus Who comes after that "man of sin".

4. Historicism -- another false seminary doctrine that simply adds men's leaven doctrine on top of confirmed historical Bible prophecies that have come to pass, thus preventing Christ's servants from understanding His SIGNS of the END leading up to His future return.

5. Amillennialism -- a 2nd century Gnostic doctrine which denies the future events of Revelation 20 about Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect over the nations. Because of denial of those events, they modify many other New Testament Bible Scriptures beyond recognition.

...and don't 'asps' proclaim their innocence by pointing fingers at the culprits?
Could the propensity to blame and misrepresent be the primary indicator of an asp?

 

[Davy]

Personally I find this suggestion incredible that a person would mistake the beast appearing on the earth with being caught up into the sky, being transformed into a resurrection state, incorruptible and immortal, to then be with Jesus.

Are you seriously suggesting I would mistake these two things?

Much love!

You apparently didn't care to read Lord Jesus' warning...

Luke 17:35-37
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

37 And they answered and said unto Him, "Where, Lord?" And He said unto them, "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together."
KJV

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV


Ezek 13:19-20
19 And will ye pollute Me among My people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to My people that hear your lies?
20 Wherefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly.
KJV