I believe those passages from God's word. Why would I not? That doesn't mean I agree with what you think those passages mean. The difference would be the issue of your view about calling and thinking that God has Himself, based upon nothing whatsoever about the individual, decided whom He will save and whom He will condemn.
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I have about ten commentaries in my personal library on Paul's letter to the Romans. Among them there is a range of views on the meaning of the letter generally and specifically with respect to various passages. There is not a one of them that would come even close to your views. And given that Romans is considered to be one of the more important books in Christian theology, I think that is quite telling.
No they aren’t and when you can show that Gods word says that all Born Again are Christians...that is nowhere to be found in scripture.
That is your own understanding of what Born Again means...therefore in ignorance and truth of God’s word.
You need to stand on the word of God, at the moment you are standing on your own word, therefore in ignorance and lacking of spiritual understanding
Nonsensical...Scripture please?
Your words make no sense to this Born Again?
Scripture please, that says a Christian is Born Again of imperishable seed,?...
None of this is God’s word....show me in scripture where God says we must be a Christian to see the Kingdom of God.
Not your opinion that you have posted throughout your post.
You want me to show you where God's word is wrong? Seriously? What an absolutely asinine request.
Well unless I had someone who was very knowledgeable about the Bible, I probably wouldn't know much about Him.
Rom 10:14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching?
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NO one is saying that all who profess to be Christians are born again.
Is anyone who is born again NOT a Christian? Or rephrasing, do you know of anyone born again who denies Christ? Then go now to the last link below.... which I made red for emphasis and says
So, are these terms synonymous? The answer is not straightforward. While a person who is Born Again is a Christian, not all Christians necessarily identify as Born Again. It ultimately comes down to individual beliefs and interpretations.
So whether you acknowledge it or not.... YOU are a Christian. You are a "born again" Christian
Please read the following links because it is far too long to post in full here.
The Surprising Origins of the Word Christian: Unveiling Its Meaning in the Bible - Christian Educators Academy
Have you ever wondered about the origins of the word "Christian"? What does it really mean and where does it come from in the Bible? In this blog post, we'll
christianeducatorsacademy.com
I had to not post the table of contents due to size
See also: Acts 11:25-30
25 Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul: 26 and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. (They were not called born again... though they certainly were.)
Why would someone who most likely be "born again"... (at least we believe will be entering into the kingdom of heaven) be called Christians?
Can we say Old Testament saints were “born again”? | Verse By Verse Ministry International
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Can we say Old Testament saints were “born again”?
Therefore, since the Old Testament believers were promised entry into the Kingdom, we can safely say that all Old Testament saints were “born again” in this way, because otherwise they could not see the Kingdom. So not only were Moses, Joshua and John the Baptist “born again” but so were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, the prophets and more.But they were not referred to as born again in the bible.
Discover the Truth: Are "Christian" and "Born Again" Synonymous? - Christian Educators Academy
Many people use the terms "Christian" and "Born Again" interchangeably. However, they are not necessarily the same thing. While both terms refer to a person's
christianeducatorsacademy.com
Discover the Truth: Are “Christian” and “Born Again” Synonymous?
Rella ~ I am a woman
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A Christian isn’t Born Again,period.
Is anyone who is born again NOT a Christian? Or rephrasing, do you know of anyone born again who denies Christ? Then go now to the last link below.... which I made red for emphasis and says
So, are these terms synonymous? The answer is not straightforward. While a person who is Born Again is a Christian, not all Christians necessarily identify as Born Again. It ultimately comes down to individual beliefs and interpretations.
So whether you acknowledge it or not.... YOU are a Christian. You are a "born again" Christian
Please read the following links because it is far too long to post in full here.
The Surprising Origins of the Word Christian: Unveiling Its Meaning in the Bible - Christian Educators Academy
Have you ever wondered about the origins of the word "Christian"? What does it really mean and where does it come from in the Bible? In this blog post, we'll
No that is your own understanding of what “ you” believe Gods word to be saying...a Christian is not Born Again of imperishable seed
This isn’t about past events...this is about the now.....A Born Again of imperishable seed.
What we have to be now those on the earth as of now?
Gods word says....we must be Born Again, he does not say we must be Christian....a Born Again has a Living relationship with God?.....a Christian does not?....show me where God says a Christian has a Living relationship with God?
Once again this is just an analogy of what “ you” believe a Christian means...therefore I must rebuke it, because it’s not the Living word of God...it’s not God breathed?Why would someone who most likely be "born again"... (at least we believe will be entering into the kingdom of heaven) be called Christians?
Can we say Old Testament saints were “born again”? | Verse By Verse Ministry International
Get the latest online Verse by Verse Bible teaching and materialsversebyverseministry.org
Can we say Old Testament saints were “born again”?
Therefore, since the Old Testament believers were promised entry into the Kingdom, we can safely say that all Old Testament saints were “born again” in this way, because otherwise they could not see the Kingdom. So not only were Moses, Joshua and John the Baptist “born again” but so were Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, the prophets and more.
But they were not referred to as born again in the bible.
Discover the Truth: Are "Christian" and "Born Again" Synonymous? - Christian Educators Academy
Many people use the terms "Christian" and "Born Again" interchangeably. However, they are not necessarily the same thing. While both terms refer to a person's
Discover the Truth: Are “Christian” and “Born Again” Synonymous?
And NO I am NOT a Christian...I am Born Again of imperishable seed....that came out of the Living mouth of God.
NO, I am NOT...I am Born Again by the Living word of God....God breathed by his own mouth.
Your words I rebuke and will continue to do so, because they are not Gods words..they are yours.
I just assume all who name the name of Christ calling themself Christian are saved until I hear otherwise by the things that they say.
Even then what they say must be heretical and not godly as people say a lot of different things.
Evil hearts cannot speak good things about God, Christ and the scriptures.
We are warned by Peter of those who twist the scriptures to their own destruction
God makes the tree, God makes both you and me.
The good tree is the one who is born again.
Matthew 12
34 Brood[f] of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure [g]of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Paul weeps over them in the church doomed to destruction.
Philippians 3
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
Matthew 7, no good fruit in their life, means no Holy Spirit living inside them
Matthew 13
3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing
Even then what they say must be heretical and not godly as people say a lot of different things.
Evil hearts cannot speak good things about God, Christ and the scriptures.
We are warned by Peter of those who twist the scriptures to their own destruction
God makes the tree, God makes both you and me.
The good tree is the one who is born again.
Matthew 12
A Tree Known by Its Fruit
33 “Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or else make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for a tree is known by its fruit.34 Brood[f] of vipers! How can you, being evil, speak good things? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. 35 A good man out of the good treasure [g]of his heart brings forth good things, and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things. 36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Paul weeps over them in the church doomed to destruction.
Philippians 3
17 Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. 18 For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: 19 whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things.
20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
Matthew 7, no good fruit in their life, means no Holy Spirit living inside them
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.Matthew 13
3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you
4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing
Then by your own confession, you reject the very meaning of the word Christian. Webster 1828 edition:
You are rejecting a fundamental, and we might add....elementary truth, known worldwide among the English speaking people of this world, except with you.
Rita, several times and in divers manners, it has been shown to you, nevertheless, you are willingly ignorant which is the worse deception of all.
Rita, give me your definition of a Christian.
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No...it’s you that have rejected the word of God.
If you believe a Christian is Born Again.
What would happen to the Spirit of God who lives in your heart if you had no access to his word the Bible?
Also what would happen to your spirit if it never got food from the word of God His Bible?
This is a very easy question to answer?
As are you .
1When I came to you, brothers, I did not come with eloquence or wisdom as I proclaimed to you the testimony about God. 2For I resolved to know nothing while I was with you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. 3I came to you in weakness and fear, and with much trembling. 4My message and my preaching were not with persuasive words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5so that your faith would not rest on men’s wisdom, but on God’s power. Spiritual Wisdom (Ephesians 1:15–23) 6Among the mature, however, we speak a message of wisdom—but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7No, we speak of the mysterious and hidden wisdom of God,a which He destined for our glory before time began. 8None of the rulers of this age understood it. For if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9Rather, as it is written: “No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no heart has imagined, what God has prepared for those who love Him.”b 10But God has revealed it to us by the Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12We have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13And this is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom, but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.c 14The natural man does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God. For they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15The spiritual man judges all things, but he himself is not subject to anyone’s judgment. 16“For who has known the mind of the Lord, so as to instruct Him?”d But we have the mind of Christ. |
You are rejecting that we must be “ Born Again of imperishable seed “ to see the Kingdom of God.
I await your answer to my question as you believe a Christian is Born Again?...you should be able to answer my question with ease?
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