What Old Covenant Laws are the New Covenant believer to obey?

[GracePeace]

What do you think of the concept of paradox?


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Yeah, Paul says things that seem paradoxical--eg, "I was abundant in labors above them all--yet, not I, but the grace with me."--but there is no paradox I can detect on the issue we're discussing here.

My view doesn't suffer from this non-existent "paradox" you insist on seeing.

 

[GracePeace]

Thank you. My memory has always been bad, except for trivial, useless stuff. I had Attention Deficit Disorder before they had a name for it. It got me a lot of attention - lol. Heavy metals are bad stuff. They're finding more and more of them in fish, of all things. My main problem is that my thoughts are disorganized and I type too slowly. I can't have cocoa because of the caffeine and theobromine, which triggers my PSVT (Paroxysmal Supraventricular Tachycardia—nasty stuff, but rarely life-threatening), which I've had practically from birth. But my doctor says I'm in excellent overall health, and could possibly live to be 100 with my family history and lifestyle. I try to live according to the NEWSTART health and wellness acronym that's in my signature.


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I wonder if Lion's Mane mushrooms might help your "disorganized" thoughts. Sulforaphane is anti inflammatory for the brain. Cruciferous veggies "have" it--a chemical they have is metabolized by an enzyme they have when the two combine when bites are taken of the veggies, so, since cooking kills enzymes, you need to add the enzymes back in after cooking (eg, a tiny pinch of fresh ground mustard seed powder) to get the Sulforaphane.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Lamb of God was "slain from the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8).

God promised to put enmity between the serpent and the woman as early as Genesis 3:15.

And yet... the New Covenant did NOT come in to effect until Jesus took upon flesh and arrive here on Club Earth.

if that's your final position.

 

[BarneyFife]

This is only a "complication" that exists for your view, bc you're importing a word ("condemned") that isn't there--it is not a problem in my view.

Paul is teaching the Jewish believers how to serve God by God's new way, which is grace and faith--I addressed this in my previous post.

Yeah, Paul writes stuff hard to understand, but he doesn't write gibberish. It is intelligible and explicable.

If I'm "overemphasizing" the word "under", what is it supposed to look like to "properly emphasize" the word--and aren't you actually "underemphasizing" the word "under"?

Yeah, Paul says things that seem paradoxical--eg, "I was abundant in labors above them all--yet, not I, but the grace with me."--but there is no paradox I can detect on the issue we're discussing here.

My view doesn't suffer from this non-existent "paradox" you insist on seeing.

Okay


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[BarneyFife]

I wonder if Lion's Mane mushrooms might help your "disorganized" thoughts. Sulforaphane is anti inflammatory for the brain. Cruciferous veggies "have" it--a chemical they have is metabolized by an enzyme they have when the two combine when bites are taken of the veggies, so, since cooking kills enzymes, you need to add the enzymes back in after cooking (eg, a tiny pinch of fresh ground mustard seed powder) to get the Sulforaphane.

Thank you


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[BarneyFife]

And yet... the New Covenant did NOT come in to effect until Jesus took upon flesh and arrive here on Club Earth.




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[BarneyFife]

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And you're not a snoutband.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

 

[GracePeace]

snoutband.

had to look that one up

 

[BarneyFife]

And yet... the New Covenant did NOT come in to effect until Jesus took upon flesh and arrive here on Club Earth.

Bible Gateway passage: Ecclesiastes 3:14 - New King James Version

I know that whatever God does, It shall be forever. Nothing can be added to it, And nothing taken from it. God does it, that men should fear before Him.

www.biblegateway.com

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[Big Boy Johnson]

It's sad to see that some know so little about God's Word that they don't
understand the difference between the old covenant and the New Covenant...

 

[BarneyFife]

It's sad to see that some know so little about God's Word that they don't
understand the difference between the old covenant and the New Covenant...

Not too convincing seeing that just a few threads over it's ROTFL funny:

It's pretty hilarious that some apparently believe 1 John 2:6 means
we are supposed to live under the old testament law... just like Jesus did!

 

[Writer]

The Disciples were not. They walked with Jesus under the old testament law, as Disciples, until AFTER Jesus body became the new wine flask and poured out the new wine on the cross. They became Apostles AFTER the Upper room.

 

[Wick Stick]

Between the options, #5 is closest to my view, though I think commandments #1-3 also apply, though they are not explicitly stated prior to Moses (but are in the NT).

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Disciples were not. They walked with Jesus under the old testament law, as Disciples, until AFTER Jesus body became the new wine flask and poured out the new wine on the cross. They became Apostles AFTER the Upper room.

Jesus fulfilled the old covenant law and regulations by keeping them perfectly which means satan had no right to kill Him (Jesus laid down His Life and allowed it) But, Jesus did not actually teach anybody to follow the old covenant laws and regulations which is where some get confused thinking He did.

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

This is because Jesus came to do God's will be taking the old covenant away, and establishing a New Covenant

Hebrews 10:9
Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
(God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

And with the changing of the priesthood, God’s Word tells us there is also a change of the law.

Hebrews 7:12
For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

In Romans 11:11-24 we see the Lord has provided for the gentiles to be grafted in so this New Covenant is applicable to ALL who are Christians.

Now, the judiazers that try to claim Christians are required to keep old testament laws and regulations (or parts of them) and of course they are in error not rightly dividing the Word of Truth failing in their understanding that we live under the Law of Christ now that the New Covenant has been established based on better promises (and better REST!) and the old covenant has been taken away by the Lord.

It's odd that some folks don't want to fully get on board the Jesus Train

 

[Writer]

Why do you attempt to put words in my mouth? I said nothing, EVER, about being under the old testament law. What part of what Jesus said DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”).

Now ask Jesus your stupid question, and put me on your don't call list!

 

[GracePeace]

Why do you attempt to put words in my mouth? I said nothing, EVER, about being under the old testament law. What part of what Jesus said DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”).

Now ask Jesus your stupid question, and put me on your don't call list!

You misinterpret Jesus, bc He immediately called making and keeping vows, a Torah Law, "of the evil one", saying, instead, "let your 'yes' be yes and your 'no' be no--anything beyond this [eg, making vows] is of the evil one."

James echoes Jesus's teaching--"make no vow at all".

Your "response" to this doctrine that doesn't "jive" with your obvious error is that Christ didn't say not to make vows, but just said not to break them...

Literally no one can get through to these "Torah Observant" people--they don't even care what Jesus says. They'll twist His words to whatever shape they like, like the gays do with the Bible. They have no shame.

 

[Writer]

You misinterpret Jesus, bc He immediately called making and keeping vows, a Torah Law, "of the evil one", saying, instead, "let your 'yes' be yes and your 'no' be no--anything beyond this [eg, making vows] is of the evil one."

James echoes Jesus's teaching--"make no vow at all".

Your "response" to this doctrine that doesn't "jive" with your obvious error is that Christ didn't say not to make vows, but just said not to break them...

Literally no one can get through to these "Torah Observant" people--they don't even care what Jesus says. They'll twist His words to whatever shape they like, like the gays do with the Bible. They have no shame.

I made no attempt to interpret Jesus...NONE. I quoted Him. As far as your skribbish, you should try learning to say more by saying less.

 

[GracePeace]

I made no attempt to interpret Jesus...NONE. I quoted Him.

Yeah, by ignoring the immediately following teaching that contradicts your "takeaway" from those words, you most certainly are misrepresenting those words.

 

[Writer]

Yeah, by ignoring the immediately following teaching that contradicts your "takeaway" from those words, you most certainly are misrepresenting those words.

Yeah, by ignoring the immediately following teaching that contradicts your "takeaway" from those words, you most certainly are misrepresenting those words.

I added nothing to Jesus quote, and I took nothing away. Jesus doesn't lie, nor does He need your opinion. You're not omnipotent.