What Old Covenant Laws are the New Covenant believer to obey?

[Soyeong]

Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he is speaking about. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit with the law of sin and death. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God, so obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2 denies that "works of the law" are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore that phrase does not refer to obedience to God. In Romans 3:27-31, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so works of the law are of works while he said that our faith upholds God's law, so it is of faith, and a law that our faith upholds can't be referring to the same thing as the works of the law that are not of faith in Galatians 3:10-12.

God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to rely on God is by obediently relying on His instructions, it is contradictory to think that we should rely on God, but not His instructions, and the position that God's instructions are untrustworthy or not of faith is the position that denies the trustworthiness or faithfulness of God.

According to Deuteronomy 27-28, relying on the Law of God is the way to be blessed while not relying on it is the way to be cursed, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as quoting from those chapters in order to support a point that is arguing against them by saying that relying on the Law of God is the way to be cursed while not relying on it is the way to avoid being cursed. Rather, it says cursed is everyone who does not continue to obey the Law of God, so the only way to avoid being cursed by it is by continuing to live in obedience to it, so those who rely on works of the law instead of the Book of the Law come under that curse.

In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul connected a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 that the righteous shall live by faith with a quote from Leviticus 18:5 that the one who obeys the Law of God will live by it, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who aer living in obedience to the Law of God. Furthermore, the context of Habakkuk 2 contrasts the righteous who are living by faith with those who are not living in obedience to God's law, and in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Law of God, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to it.

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.


21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

It is not what the bible says.

In Galatians 3:16-19, a new covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified, so it is also true that the New Covenant does not abolish our need to obey the Law of God in accordance with the promise. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the Law of God brings us to Christ because it was given to teach us how to know him, but does not lead us to him so that we can then reject everything he taught and go back to being workers of lawlessness. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor. Moreover, in Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, in Christ, through faith, and children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected with living in obedience to the Law of God (1 John 3:4-10, 1 John 2:6, Matthew 23:23, John 8:39).

Paul said the law caused sin to increase. Not decrease.

In Romans 7, Paul said that the Law of God is holy, righteous, and good and that he wanted to do good, but contrasted that with the law of sin that was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do. In Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful, but is how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then it leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase. So verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin rather than to the Law of God, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56.

those who look to the law to see how to behave are looking to self. Turn from that. Turn to God and love as he loved, and you will fulfill the law. These are jesus words.

It is contradictory to think that we are looking to self by relying on God's instructions instead of looking to God. The way to turn to God to love as He loved is not by refusing to follow His instructions, but just the opposite.

Matt 22:

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”


37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

The position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them, for example, it would be contradictory for someone to think that we should love God and our neighbor, but that we don't need to refrain from commit idolatry, adultery, theft, murder, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Law of God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul spoke about multiple categories of law other than the Law of God, such as the law of sin and works of the law, so it is important to correctly identify which law he is speaking about. For example, in Romans 7:25-8:2, Paul contrasted the Law of God with the law of sin and contrasted the Law of the Spirit with the law of sin and death. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God, so obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2 denies that "works of the law" are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore that phrase does not refer to obedience to God. In Romans 3:27-31, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so works of the law are of works while he said that our faith upholds God's law, so it is of faith, and a law that our faith upholds can't be referring to the same thing as the works of the law that are not of faith in Galatians 3:10-12.

He spoke of the law that led us to Christ

this includes the moral law and sacrificial law

God is trustworthy, therefore His instructions are also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to rely on God is by obediently relying on His instructions, it is contradictory to think that we should rely on God, but not His instructions, and the position that God's instructions are untrustworthy or not of faith is the position that denies the trustworthiness or faithfulness of God.

yes they are trustworthy. But no one keeps a law because it says thou shalt or thou shalt not. They keep them because they Love God and other.. so by practice they observe the law..

According to Deuteronomy 27-28, relying on the Law of God is the way to be blessed while not relying on it is the way to be cursed, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as quoting from those chapters in order to support a point that is arguing against them by saying that relying on the Law of God is the way to be cursed while not relying on it is the way to avoid being cursed. Rather, it says cursed is everyone who does not continue to obey the Law of God, so the only way to avoid being cursed by it is by continuing to live in obedience to it, so those who rely on works of the law instead of the Book of the Law come under that curse.

It says blessed are you if you do them

It does not tell you how to do them. Jesus told us how when he was asked..

In Galatians 3:10-12, Paul connected a quote from Habakkuk 2:4 that the righteous shall live by faith with a quote from Leviticus 18:5 that the one who obeys the Law of God will live by it, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as those who aer living in obedience to the Law of God. Furthermore, the context of Habakkuk 2 contrasts the righteous who are living by faith with those who are not living in obedience to God's law, and in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Law of God, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to it.

Again, If we love we will by practice follow the law

In Galatians 3:16-19, a new covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified, so it is also true that the New Covenant does not abolish our need to obey the Law of God in accordance with the promise. In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the Law of God brings us to Christ because it was given to teach us how to know him, but does not lead us to him so that we can then reject everything he taught and go back to being workers of lawlessness. Someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor. Moreover, in Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, in Christ, through faith, and children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected with living in obedience to the Law of God (1 John 3:4-10, 1 John 2:6, Matthew 23:23, John 8:39).

lol.. Why are you so stuck on the law

You can't obey the law. The law required perfect obedience, if you stumble in one part you are cursed.

The christian walk is not about following rules and regulations, it is about being like Christ. taking the love he showed for us, and loving him and all people. Which when you do these things, You will not break his commands.

In Romans 7, Paul said that the Law of God is holy, righteous, and good and that he wanted to do good, but contrasted that with the law of sin that was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do. In Romans 7:7, the Law of God is not sinful, but is how we know what sin is, and when our sin is revealed, then it leads us to repent and causes sin to decrease, however the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit unto death, so it is sinful and causes sin to increase. So verses that refer to a law that is sinful, that causes sin to increase, or that hinders us from obeying the Law of God should be interpreted as referring to the law of sin rather than to the Law of God, such as Romans 5:20, Romans 6:14, Galatians 2:19, Galatians 5:16-18, and 1 Corinthians 15:56.


It is contradictory to think that we are looking to self by relying on God's instructions instead of looking to God. The way to turn to God to love as He loved is not by refusing to follow His instructions, but just the opposite.

Who said anything about refusing?

I am talking about HOW we obey..

The position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them, for example, it would be contradictory for someone to think that we should love God and our neighbor, but that we don't need to refrain from commit idolatry, adultery, theft, murder, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Law of God.

lol

If you obey the two. you will not break the ten (actually many more than ten)

I do not think you understand what I am saying

 

[Ziggy]

it would be contradictory for someone to think that we should love God and our neighbor, but that we don't need to refrain from commit idolatry, adultery, theft, murder, rape, kidnapping, favoritism, and so forth for the rest of the Law of God.

So, Commandment One. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul.
By keeping this one commandment you will not turn to idolatry or other gods. You will not bow down and worship any idols or other gods.
You will not make for yourself other gods to follow, and he is the God we rest in. He is our Sabbath.
By keeping this first commandment, we have fulfilled 4.

By loving our neighbor as ourself which Jesus says is the 2nd greatest commandment. Which is found in Leviticus 19:18,
Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

By keeping this 2nd commandment, you will respect your parents, you won't seek to murder anyone, you won't lie, you won't steal, you won't cheat, and you won't desire other peoples goods for your own.
By keeping the 2nd commandment, we have fulfilled 6 commandments.

And if there be any other commanments they are included in abiding in these two. They cover all of the law.

Love is the key. God is Love.

And this is the commandment we are to keep:
1Jo 4:21
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

This is the promise:
Deu 30:6
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

This is the fulfillment of that promise:

Col 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Jesus came to redeem those who were under the law. They were cursed. And he baught them back with his own blood.
The Gentiles seeing the great mercy God had on Israel was the LIGHT that was shone to us.
God is Merciful and Just and Good. God IS Love.
And Gentiles were brought into the fold of Israel, not by the law or through the law, but by Grace through Faith.


Rom 15:8
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Rom 15:9
And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
Rom 15:10
And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
Rom 15:11
And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
Rom 15:12
And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

By bringing yourself back under the law which Jesus Christ himself shed his blood to free us from, you are throwing his sacrifice back in God's face.
I trust God and his mercy and his grace. The law won't save me, only Christ and the love for God and neighbor can.
That's it in a nutshell.

Love God, Love Neighbour, Have Faith, Trust God.

He made it so easy for us, yet we want to complicate it.
You can complicate it if you choose. I'm gonna keep it simple like Jesus said.

Mat 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Amen and Amen
Hugs

 

[Soyeong]

@Eternally Grateful @Ziggy

The Mosaic Law describes the way that Christ lived as do the greatest two commandments, so do you agree that someone who is correctly living in obedience to the Mosaic Law would be living in an identical manner as someone who is correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments because they would both be following the same example that Christ set for us to follow? If not, why not?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Eternally Grateful @Ziggy

The Mosaic Law describes the way that Christ lived as do the greatest two commandments, so do you agree that someone who is correctly living in obedience to the Mosaic Law would be living in an identical manner as someone who is correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments because they would both be following the same example that Christ set for us to follow? If not, why not?

We know the pharisees thought they obeyed the law that said do not commit adulty. Because they obeyed the law as written

We also know that they still sinned if they just looked with lust.

The law does not tell us HOW to obey, or what actually obedience to that command looks like

it shows us if we are guilty.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

We also know that they still sinned if they just looked with lust.

Under the old covenant it was only sin if one actually did the dirty deed.

Only under the New Covenant did the Lord make lusting to be a sin... this represents the higher standard the Lord brought forth in the New Covenant verses the old covenant (don't tell the SDA peoples though as this make them upset!)

Matthew 5:27,28
Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I cited the Greek definition to show that "oikodomeo" can mean to restore, rebuild, or repair and I cited a verse that uses it in that sense, so insisting that I am wrong does not counter my position, though we can agree to disagree if you're prefer. When a word can have a range of meanings, then it depends on the surrounding and broader context for the right word choice. Do you think that the prophecies in regard to the restoration of David's fallen tents that were cited in Acts 15:16-18 in regard to the inclusion of Gentiles are antibiblical?

But you are wrong for you are using your own terms of defining instead of how the term is defined! When oikodomeo is used in the sense of a rebuild it means it is putting up something new in the place of the old. So you are once again just wrong!

When a word can have a range of meanings, then it depends on the surrounding and broader context for the right word choice. Do you think that the prophecies in regard to the restoration of David's fallen tents that were cited in Acts 15:16-18 in regard to the inclusion of Gentiles are antibiblical

But oikodomeo does not Have a range of meaning. It means always to build something brand new! It has two uses of the new.
1. To build a new thing that has never existed.
2. Or to build new to replace something that had existed prior.

Either way- it cannot mean the church existed before Pentecost. It is just grammatically impossible. but do not take my word for it. Do a google search, find some greek scholars and learn from them.

If God were to explain to someone what it means to be a doer of righteousness, then He could give 613 examples of how to do what is righteous in various situations or He could give 1,008 examples, but giving more examples would not mean that he was instructing something different than how to be a doer of righteousness. All of the examples would have the same principle in common and the point of all of the examples is to teach that principle. Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example, so I see no justification for thinking that the Law of Christ is something other than or contrary to what Christ taught.

What you fail to understand from eh bible is that an unrighteous person cannot do righteous deeds. One first has to become righteous before their deeds are declared righteous. But then again, that is the Bible saying it and not human reasoning.

1 Cor. 2 the unsaved man cannot perceive the thingof God (doing righteous) .

Romans 8 the natural man cannot please good. Incapapble of doing righteous. One has to be righteous first before they can do righteous.

If you wish to believe that you need the Mosaic Law, that is your privilege. But to say it is what the church is called to is heresy and I will always oppose that! It is as Paul said in Galatians 1, "another gospel".

 

[Ziggy]

@Eternally Grateful @Ziggy

The Mosaic Law describes the way that Christ lived as do the greatest two commandments, so do you agree that someone who is correctly living in obedience to the Mosaic Law would be living in an identical manner as someone who is correctly living in obedience to the greatest two commandments because they would both be following the same example that Christ set for us to follow? If not, why not?

Jesus was born under the law of Moses. And yet he disputed with the teachers and the lawyers and the scribes concerning Moses' law.
If Jesus lived according to Moses' law then he would of grabbed a stone and killed the adulterous woman. He would of kept himself far away from people with leprosy and the woman with the issue of blood for 9 years.

Jesus is the AUTHOR of the law the Lord gave to Moses. Jesus came to remove the old covenant and establish a new covenant.
And it is the Commandment of Jesus which those who have been born again do follow.
As long as you are living under the old covenant according to Moses law, you are DEAD and in need of salvation.

Jesus IS the Resurection and the Life. Come to him and be reborn, be washed, be cleansed, and Live.

Hugs

 

[Soyeong]

I am not a Jew. I am not under the Mosaic law.
I follow Christ not Moses.
The commandment God gave to Jesus was that he would lay down his life and take it up again.
And God's commandment to us is to believe in His Son.
You can follow Moses if you like, But our righteousness is only found in Christ's righteousness.

And His righteousness is his blood that covers us and makes us white as snow.
Isa 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

Jesus is God's word made flesh, so while we do not need to be a Jew in order to follow him, we can't follow him by refusing to follow God's word. God's word is His instructions for how to believe in God's word made flesh and we can't believe in him by refusing to follow God's word. The righteousness of God's word made flesh is the same as the righteousness of God's word. God's word is not filthy rags, but rather it is holy, righteous, and good. In Isaiah 64:6, it is not God speaking, but rather it is the people hyperbolically complaining about how God was not coming down and making His presence known. The reality is that the righteous deeds of the saints are like fine white linen (Revelation 19:8).

To walk in Christ and His characteristic trait is to walk in Grace and Truth.
This is what he brought to the world.
Moses brought the law, but Christ brought grace and truth.

Jhn 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

There is no "but" in the Greek in John 1:17, rather John 1:16 says grace upon grace, so John 1:17 is speaking about one example of grace being added upon another. In Psalms 119:29, he wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey the Mosaic Law, and in Psalms 119:142, the Mosaic Law is truth, so grace and truth came through Jesus because he spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Mosaic Law by word and by example.

Rom 6:14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Grace covers both Jews and Gentiles alike. The Law was only intended for the Jews.
Jesus came to redeem the Jews under the law.

In Romans 7, Paul said that the Law of God is holy, righteous, and good and that he wanted to do good, but contrasted that with the law of sin that was working within his members to cause him not to do the good that he wanted to do. So the Law of God is the law where holiness, righteousness, and goodness have dominion over us while the law of sin stirs up sinful passions in order to bear fruit death, so it is the law where sin has dominion over us. In Romans 6:14, the law that we are not under is a law where sin had dominion over us, so he was speaking about the law of sin, not the law of God. Furthermore, in Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so we are still under it. Moreover, everything else in Romans 6 speaks in favor of obedience to God and against sin.

God is gracious to us by teaching us to obey His Law (Psalms 119:29, Exodus 33:13, Genesis 6:8-9, Romans 1:5, Titus 2:11-13), so that is what it means to be under grace. So saying that God's law was intended only for Jews is saying that grace is intended only for Jews, rather it was given to equip Jews to be a light and a blessing to the nations by turning the nations from their wickedness and teaching them to obey it in accordance with the promise and the Gospel.

Gal 4:4
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
Gal 4:5
To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

What does REDEEM mean?

1. to redeem
   1. by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off
   2. metaph. of Christ freeing the elect from the dominion of the Mosaic Law at the price of his vicarious death

exagorázō, to buy up, i.e. ransom; figuratively, to rescue from loss (improve opportunity):—redeem

God's law was given for our own good (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13), so those under the law do not need to be redeemed from the law, but rather we had the need to be redeemed from our lawlessness. In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Jesus gave himself to redeem us from the Mosaic Law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20) while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from would be the way to reject what he accomplished. The position that Jesus only redeemed Jews under the law is the position that what Jesus accomplished through the cross is of no value to Gentiles.

Thou shalt not kill becomes Thou shalt love.
Thou shalt not steal becomes thou shalt give.
Thou shalt not lie becomes thou shalt speak the truth.
Thou shalt not commit adultery becomes loves thy wife as thyself.
Thou shalt not covet becomes be greatful for what you have been given.
Thou shalt keep the Sabbath becomes Keep Jesus abide with him always.
And if there be any other commandment they are summed up in these two:
Thou shalt love the Lord thy God withh all thy heart, mind and might. And thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
If you keep these two you have fulfilled the whole law.

In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from God's law, so it did not change, but rather it is eternal (Psalms 119:160).

Mat 22:36
Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38
This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Gal 6:2
Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

I didn't say it, Jesus did.

Hugs

It is contradictory to want to obey God's command to love while wanting nothing to do with obeying His instructions for how to love.

 

[Soyeong]

Jesus was born under the law of Moses. And yet he disputed with the teachers and the lawyers and the scribes concerning Moses' law.

Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he was much more zealous for obedience to it than the Pharisees were and he never criticized them for obeying it, but he did criticize them for not obeying it or for not obeying it correctly.

If Jesus lived according to Moses' law then he would have grabbed a stone and killed the adulterous woman. He would have kept himself far away from people with leprosy and the woman with the issue of blood for 9 years.

The fact that Jesus was sinless is a core Christian doctrine, and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), which means that Jesus never broke the Mosaic Law. Moreover, in John 15:10, Jesus said that he obeyed the Father's commands

If Jesus had grabbed a stone and killed the adulterous woman, then he would have sinned in violation of the Mosaic Law and disqualified himself as our Savior. The Mosaic Law requires that both the man and the woman accused of adultery be brought before a judge in order to do a thorough investigation, that the witnesses are to throw the first stones, and that no one is to be put to death without at least two or three witnesses. While touching dead body, someone with tzaraat, or a woman suffering from bleeding makes someone unclean in accordance with the Mosaic Law, it is not a violation of the Mosaic Law to become unclean, but rather that means that they need to become clean before they can enter the temple.

Jesus is the AUTHOR of the law the Lord gave to Moses. Jesus came to remove the old covenant and establish a new covenant.
And it is the Commandment of Jesus which those who have been born again do follow.
As long as you are living under the old covenant according to Moses law, you are DEAD and in need of salvation.

Jesus IS the Resurection and the Life. Come to him and be reborn, be washed, be cleansed, and Live.

Hugs

The New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33), so I have not been speaking in favor of living under the Mosaic Covenant, but rather I have been speaking about how to live under the New Covenant. Those who want nothing to do with obeying the Mosaic Law want nothing to do with the New Covenant. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that we do not need to obey it is the position that we do not need salvation.

 

[Ziggy]

Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, so he was much more zealous for obedience to it than the Pharisees were and he never criticized them for obeying it, but he did criticize them for not obeying it or for not obeying it correctly.


The fact that Jesus was sinless is a core Christian doctrine, and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), which means that Jesus never broke the Mosaic Law. Moreover, in John 15:10, Jesus said that he obeyed the Father's commands

If Jesus had grabbed a stone and killed the adulterous woman, then he would have sinned in violation of the Mosaic Law and disqualified himself as our Savior. The Mosaic Law requires that both the man and the woman accused of adultery be brought before a judge in order to do a thorough investigation, that the witnesses are to throw the first stones, and that no one is to be put to death without at least two or three witnesses. While touching dead body, someone with tzaraat, or a woman suffering from bleeding makes someone unclean in accordance with the Mosaic Law, it is not a violation of the Mosaic Law to become unclean, but rather that means that they need to become clean before they can enter the temple.


The New Covenant involves God putting the Mosaic Law in our minds and writing it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33), so I have not been speaking in favor of living under the Mosaic Covenant, but rather I have been speaking about how to live under the New Covenant. Those who want nothing to do with obeying the Mosaic Law want nothing to do with the New Covenant. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is (Romans 3:20), so the position that we do not need to obey it is the position that we do not need salvation.

I've been saved.
Praise God.
It's not Moses law we walk in, it's Christ's law.
You can't see it yet. The veil hasn't been lifted.
I will pray for you.
Hugs

 

[Soyeong]

So, Commandment One. Love God with all your heart, mind and soul.
By keeping this one commandment you will not turn to idolatry or other gods. You will not bow down and worship any idols or other gods.
You will not make for yourself other gods to follow, and he is the God we rest in. He is our Sabbath.
By keeping this first commandment, we have fulfilled 4.

By loving our neighbor as ourself which Jesus says is the 2nd greatest commandment. Which is found in Leviticus 19:18,
Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

By keeping this 2nd commandment, you will respect your parents, you won't seek to murder anyone, you won't lie, you won't steal, you won't cheat, and you won't desire other peoples goods for your own.
By keeping the 2nd commandment, we have fulfilled 6 commandments.

And if there be any other commanments they are included in abiding in these two. They cover all of the law.

Love is the key. God is Love.

And this is the commandment we are to keep:
1Jo 4:21
And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.

This is the promise:
Deu 30:6
And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

This is the fulfillment of that promise:

Col 2:11
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15
And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Jesus came to redeem those who were under the law. They were cursed. And he baught them back with his own blood.
The Gentiles seeing the great mercy God had on Israel was the LIGHT that was shone to us.
God is Merciful and Just and Good. God IS Love.
And Gentiles were brought into the fold of Israel, not by the law or through the law, but by Grace through Faith.

Rom 15:8
Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
Rom 15:9
And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.
Rom 15:10
And again he saith, Rejoice, ye Gentiles, with his people.
Rom 15:11
And again, Praise the Lord, all ye Gentiles; and laud him, all ye people.
Rom 15:12
And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

By bringing yourself back under the law which Jesus Christ himself shed his blood to free us from, you are throwing his sacrifice back in God's face.
I trust God and his mercy and his grace. The law won't save me, only Christ and the love for God and neighbor can.
That's it in a nutshell.

Love God, Love Neighbour, Have Faith, Trust God.

He made it so easy for us, yet we want to complicate it.
You can complicate it if you choose. I'm gonna keep it simple like Jesus said.

The Mosaic Law describes the way that Christ lived as doe the greatest two commandments, so it is not a different manner of living that is more or less complicated. A sum is not more or less than its parts. You even agreed that love covers all of the law, so for example, it is contradictory to think that the command to love includes the command against committing murder, but that we should bring ourselves back under the command against committing murder. God is holy, righteous, good, just, merciful, faithful, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control, and so forth, so He graciously gave us the gift of the Mosaic Law to teach us how to be in that image. It is contradictory to have faith in God, but not in His instructions. In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Christ gave himself to free us from the Mosaic Law, but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross.

Mat 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Mat 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
Mat 11:30
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Amen and Amen
Hugs][

Jesus set a perfect example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to reject his example. Furthermore, by Jesus saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls.

I've been saved.
Praise God.
It's not Moses law we walk in, it's Christ's law.
You can't see it yet. The veil hasn't been lifted.
I will pray for you.
Hugs

The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus in fulfillment of the promise to turn us from our wickedness in disobedience to it, so there is no disagreement, but rather that is Christ's law. The veil was preventing people from seeing that the goal of everything in Scripture was to testify about how to know Jesus, though that is a veil that works both ways by preventing those who reject the Mosaic Law from seeing the same thing.

 

[Ziggy]

The Mosaic Law describes the way that Christ lived as doe the greatest two commandments, so it is not a different manner of living that is more or less complicated. A sum is not more or less than its parts. You even agreed that love covers all of the law, so for example, it is contradictory to think that the command to love includes the command against committing murder, but that we should bring ourselves back under the command against committing murder. God is holy, righteous, good, just, merciful, faithful, love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, self-control, and so forth, so He graciously gave us the gift of the Mosaic Law to teach us how to be in that image. It is contradictory to have faith in God, but not in His instructions. In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Christ gave himself to free us from the Mosaic Law, but in order to free us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross.



Jesus set a perfect example of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and in Matthew 11:28-30, he was inviting people to come to him for rest and to learn from him, not inviting people to reject his example. Furthermore, by Jesus saying that we would find rest for our souls, he was referencing Jeremiah 6:16-19, where the Mosaic Law is described as the good way where we will find rest for our souls.


The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus in fulfillment of the promise to turn us from our wickedness in disobedience to it, so there is no disagreement, but rather that is Christ's law. The veil was preventing people from seeing that the goal of everything in Scripture was to testify about how to know Jesus, though that is a veil that works both ways by preventing those who reject the Mosaic Law from seeing the same thing.

BACKWARDS..
The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus in fulfillment of the promise to turn us from our wickedness in disobedience
to Christ, not the law.
If you bring yourself under the Mosaic law then you are slave to the law. Therefore the veil remains because you can't see the sacrifice and sanctification and salvation that ONLY comes through believeing in Christ.


I'm beginning to think you are a bot.

Deu 18:15
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16
According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17
And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Act 3:22
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23
And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Act 3:24
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

This is the choice you have:
You can follow Moses and remain under the law,
or,
You can follow Jesus and be free from the law.

You can follow the law, or you can follow Jesus words which God gave him to speak.

You can eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or, you can eat of the tree of life.

Welcome to the garden of eden.

Hugs

 

[Eternally Grateful]

BACKWARDS..
The same God who gave the law to Moses also sent Jesus in fulfillment of the promise to turn us from our wickedness in disobedience
to Christ, not the law.
If you bring yourself under the Mosaic law then you are slave to the law. Therefore the veil remains because you can't see the sacrifice and sanctification and salvation that ONLY comes through believeing in Christ.


I'm beginning to think you are a bot.

Deu 18:15
The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16
According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17
And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
Deu 18:19
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Act 3:22
For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
Act 3:23
And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
Act 3:24
Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

This is the choice you have:
You can follow Moses and remain under the law,
or,
You can follow Jesus and be free from the law.

You can follow the law, or you can follow Jesus words which God gave him to speak.

You can eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, or, you can eat of the tree of life.

Welcome to the garden of eden.

Hugs

reminds me of this

1 Timothy 1:7
desiring to be teachers of the law, understanding neither what they (the law) say nor the things which they affirm.