Why didn't God destroy Satan at the beginning?
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Though many people would say that Satan could not decide for Eve or any other creature. Humans have an independent will to choose whatever they desire. And Eve had no one to blame as she freely chose to touch the fruit on the tree of the K of G and E.
Stumpmaster
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All was well until one of the created beings was sent to earth to tempt Eve. It would seem everything would have been perfect if the Creators didn't design, create and place a certain tree in the middle of Eve's domain. It appears the Creators can take the credit for what had and is continuing to happen as a consequence of Their actions.
I praise Them for Their script that is continuing to unfold under Their sovereign reign.
I hope to suspend judgement of the Creators and Their storyline til the day I entre into the next age. I believe I will see things a lot more clearly from my new vantage point.
Truthnightmare
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Truthnightmare
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I have never heard this declaration…
So my questions are simple…
Who is the created being in which you speak?
Who sent this being to tempt Eve?
And where can I read of this in the Bible?
God created the angles before creating man. There is a reason for that. Psalms tells us that the angels were created to help man.
The angles have their history as man does. The angles were tested to determine who would become the leaders of the various positions that needed to be filled. The angles were divided in three groups. Lucifer was the head of one group which represented 1/3 of the angles, Michael represented 1/3 and Gabriel represented the 1/3. There is no number to represent their population, but the bible states its multitude as myrids.
When all the angles had been elected to their assignments, God called them all together along with all the heavenly hosts including all the creatures surrounding Gods throne to one place in His kingdom, and in the book of Revelation we see the account of that meeting, just before God revealed His plan that through a woman, a child would be born, Gods Son, a man, to sit at His throne and become the King of all Heaven and of earth. God did not share this to anyone before this meeting except Lucifer, that is my belief due to Lucifers entry into that meeting.
I believe that before this meeting took place, Lucifer was favored by God and God shared with Lucifer the plan that Lucifer would be sent to the earth with his angels and become the principalities of the air and watch over man and help man. Lucifer took it all in and said nothing more. But when it was time for him to show up at the meeting, he showed up in a different appearance, he sows up as a dragon, and his angels were all with him, as if he knew what was going on and become jelouse and his countance changed and he went after the child to devoour him.
The bible clearly states that Michael and his angels, note that the angels belonged to Michael, Michael being the Arc angel, and Michael and his angles waged war against the dragon and his angels. God had clearly given authority over the angels in this battle to Michael and the dragon and his angels.
The dragon was cast down to the earth where Lucifer was to take his charge in honor, but now was cast down in dishonor as a dragon.
"I saw Satan cast out of heaven like lightning..." refering to this point of time. When Satan and his angles fell, the earth became distorted, and we read "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep". This could very well explain why all of prehistory was wiped out, and when the First Day was recorded, it marked the first day of History.
Satan was in the garden before the first day because man was created after his fall. Satan was already there. God however gave dominion to Adam, and Adam could have easily, with just his word, rebuked satan and had him removed from the garden eternally. He then could have dealt with the woman differently if it pleased God. However because God is omnipotant and wise, God is able to overcome by taking the curse upon Himself sparing all of His children eternal damnation through His son Jesus who was promised to us from before the beginning.
The angles have their history as man does. The angles were tested to determine who would become the leaders of the various positions that needed to be filled. The angles were divided in three groups. Lucifer was the head of one group which represented 1/3 of the angles, Michael represented 1/3 and Gabriel represented the 1/3. There is no number to represent their population, but the bible states its multitude as myrids.
When all the angles had been elected to their assignments, God called them all together along with all the heavenly hosts including all the creatures surrounding Gods throne to one place in His kingdom, and in the book of Revelation we see the account of that meeting, just before God revealed His plan that through a woman, a child would be born, Gods Son, a man, to sit at His throne and become the King of all Heaven and of earth. God did not share this to anyone before this meeting except Lucifer, that is my belief due to Lucifers entry into that meeting.
I believe that before this meeting took place, Lucifer was favored by God and God shared with Lucifer the plan that Lucifer would be sent to the earth with his angels and become the principalities of the air and watch over man and help man. Lucifer took it all in and said nothing more. But when it was time for him to show up at the meeting, he showed up in a different appearance, he sows up as a dragon, and his angels were all with him, as if he knew what was going on and become jelouse and his countance changed and he went after the child to devoour him.
The bible clearly states that Michael and his angels, note that the angels belonged to Michael, Michael being the Arc angel, and Michael and his angles waged war against the dragon and his angels. God had clearly given authority over the angels in this battle to Michael and the dragon and his angels.
The dragon was cast down to the earth where Lucifer was to take his charge in honor, but now was cast down in dishonor as a dragon.
"I saw Satan cast out of heaven like lightning..." refering to this point of time. When Satan and his angles fell, the earth became distorted, and we read "And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep". This could very well explain why all of prehistory was wiped out, and when the First Day was recorded, it marked the first day of History.
Satan was in the garden before the first day because man was created after his fall. Satan was already there. God however gave dominion to Adam, and Adam could have easily, with just his word, rebuked satan and had him removed from the garden eternally. He then could have dealt with the woman differently if it pleased God. However because God is omnipotant and wise, God is able to overcome by taking the curse upon Himself sparing all of His children eternal damnation through His son Jesus who was promised to us from before the beginning.
Stumpmaster
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There is no implication in Scripture that God sent Satan to tempt Eve. Quite the opposite.
Jas 1:12-15 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. (13) Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. (14) But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. (15) Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
So are you saying that God won't tempt us directly?
Will He get others to tempt us for Him?
Truthnightmare
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No God does not tempt us….
James 1
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
No God does not send others to temp us, but we will be tempted…
1 Corinthians
There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
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Keiw
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Yes she used free will. But satan lied to her and said she positively would not die.
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Then God wanted to tempt Ahab to go against God's protection and be killed. So God has an angel go use prophets to deceive Ahab so he ends up going to his death. God blesses the angel's plan.
1 Kings 22:19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
I love the wisdom and confidence of God when He arranges for people to be drawn, enticed and moved towards testing, even into temptation.
Math 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said...
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple.....
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain.....
And after this very trying experience of being led by His Father into temptation through His means, the Spirit of God and Satan, He told His followers to pray...
Math 6:9 Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name ...13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.... of the evil one.
Jesus didn't want them to go through what He did when His Father led Him into temptation.
I appreciate the recorded story of Job where God draws Satan's attention to Job. God gives satan permission to tempt Job to curse God and die but God gives Job a way of escape . Job resists and is blessed.
Then God wanted to tempt Ahab to go against God's protection and be killed. So God has an angel go use prophets to deceive Ahab so he ends up going to his death. God blesses the angel's plan.
1 Kings 22:19 Micaiah continued, “Therefore hear the word of the Lord: I saw the Lord sitting on his throne with all the multitudes of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left. 20 And the Lord said, ‘Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?’
“One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the Lord and said, ‘I will entice him.’
22 “‘By what means?’ the Lord asked.
“‘I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,’ he said.
“‘You will succeed in enticing him,’ said the Lord. ‘Go and do it.’
23 “So now the Lord has put a deceiving spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The Lord has decreed disaster for you.”
I love the wisdom and confidence of God when He arranges for people to be drawn, enticed and moved towards testing, even into temptation.
Math 4:1 Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil. 2 And when He had fasted forty days and forty nights, afterward He was hungry. 3 Now when the tempter came to Him, he said...
5 Then the devil took Him up into the holy city, set Him on the pinnacle of the temple.....
8 Again, the devil took Him up on an exceedingly high mountain.....
And after this very trying experience of being led by His Father into temptation through His means, the Spirit of God and Satan, He told His followers to pray...
Math 6:9 Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name ...13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.... of the evil one.
Jesus didn't want them to go through what He did when His Father led Him into temptation.
Truthnightmare
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God did not necessarily give Satan permission to tempt Job.
Look at it closely…
Verse 6
6 And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
So here is where you believe Satan is given permission to temp Job.
But before verse 6, in verse 3 we see Job has already been dealing with evil.. thus temptation.
3 And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
Truthnightmare
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Stumpmaster
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No, God always wants repentance from sin.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
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So you think God had no idea that satan would go and test Job's perfection, uprightness, fear of God and avoidance of evil when God drew Satan's attention to Job?
Truthnightmare
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I think Satan was already testing Job, and felt God was helping Job… and just for clarification I think Job is the oldest book of the Bible which makes for some consideration on what is.
Stumpmaster
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Opposition to God's Will is inevitable, so the choice was Lucifer's to make.
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