What you stated is just speculation on your part.
I can easily prove what I stated.
Why didn't God destroy Satan at the beginning?
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I can easily prove what I stated.
All you have proven so far is that you don't seem to have a clue about anything. And you love tooting your own horn.
I did not say I have proved what I stated, I said I can easily prove what I stated.
And I can if I so desire to do it. It is within my power in the Lord.
Truthnightmare
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Quite the evolving question you have asked….
Before I answer; answer me this…
Matthew 4:1
Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
How many times did the devil temp Jesus in the wilderness? Give me a number 3, 10, 100
Ok… got your number?
Now how many temptations are there for man?
Give me a number 100, a 1000, 10,000?
Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
So no matter what number you give, we know Jesus overcame every temptation, whether a 1000 temptations or a 1,000,000 temptations.
Why? Because Jesus is God..
Isaiah 7
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Matthew 1
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel” (which being interpreted is, “God with us”).
Back to your exhortation….
Did Jesus (God) be lead by the Father God into temptation? NO
Consider this…
1 John 5:7
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
James 1:13-16 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: but every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
If God can’t be tempted, that means Jesus can’t be tempted and the Holy Spirit can’t be tempted. And if God temps no man neither does Jesus or the spirit, for they are one.
And if God temps no man then the son temps no man and the spirit temps no man… for they are one.
So my question to you is, how do you temp what can’t be tempted?
I don’t believe Satans name is Lucifer.
I suppose God saw use in Satan, and He promised to have his crushed in the beginning.
Genesis 3:15
I will put hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.
A strike to the head leaves a normal person useless, but Satan with a crushed head… he is no longer useful. After the use of him, to get Gods will done.
I suppose God saw use in Satan, and He promised to have his crushed in the beginning.
Genesis 3:15
I will put hostility between you and the woman, and between your offspring and her offspring. He will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.
A strike to the head leaves a normal person useless, but Satan with a crushed head… he is no longer useful. After the use of him, to get Gods will done.
Stumpmaster
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Only to yourself.
Luk 4:13 Now when the devil had ended every temptation, he departed from Him until an opportune time.
Watch out!
Stumpmaster
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Funny looking verb . . . ? ? ?
(1Ch 21:1) Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.
(Job 1:6) Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them.
(Job 1:7) And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" So Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."
(Job 1:8) Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil?"
(Job 1:9) So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Does Job fear God for nothing?
(Job 1:12) And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, all that he has is in your power; only do not lay a hand on his person." So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.
(Job 2:1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
(Job 2:2) And the LORD said to Satan, "From where do you come?" Satan answered the LORD and said, "From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it."
(Job 2:3) Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered My servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, one who fears God and shuns evil? And still he holds fast to his integrity, although you incited Me against him, to destroy him without cause."
(Job 2:4) So Satan answered the LORD and said, "Skin for skin! Yes, all that a man has he will give for his life.
(Job 2:6) And the LORD said to Satan, "Behold, he is in your hand, but spare his life."
(Job 2:7) So Satan went out from the presence of the LORD, and struck Job with painful boils from the sole of his foot to the crown of his head.
(Zec 3:1) Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him.
(Zec 3:2) And the LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?"
(Mat 4:10) Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.' "
(Mat 12:26) If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?
(Mat 16:23) But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
(Mar 1:13) And He was there in the wilderness forty days, tempted by Satan, and was with the wild beasts; and the angels ministered to Him.
(Mar 3:23) So He called them to Himself and said to them in parables: "How can Satan cast out Satan?
(Mar 3:26) And if Satan has risen up against himself, and is divided, he cannot stand, but has an end.
(Mar 4:15) And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts.
(Mar 8:33) But when He had turned around and looked at His disciples, He rebuked Peter, saying, "Get behind Me, Satan! For you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men."
(Luk 4:8) And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.' "
(Luk 10:18) And He said to them, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
(Luk 11:18) If Satan also is divided against himself, how will his kingdom stand? Because you say I cast out demons by Beelzebub.
(Luk 13:16) So ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has bound—think of it—for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath?"
(Luk 22:3) Then Satan entered Judas, surnamed Iscariot, who was numbered among the twelve.
(Luk 22:31) And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
(Joh 13:27) Now after the piece of bread, Satan entered him. Then Jesus said to him, "What you do, do quickly."
(Act 5:3) But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?
(Act 26:18) to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'
(Rom 16:20) And the God of peace will crush Satan under your feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Amen.
(1Co 5:5) deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
(1Co 7:5) Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.
(2Co 2:11) lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.
(2Co 11:14) And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
(2Co 12:7) And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure.
(1Th 2:18) Therefore we wanted to come to you—even I, Paul, time and again—but Satan hindered us.
(2Th 2:9) The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
(1Ti 1:20) of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme.
(1Ti 5:15) For some have already turned aside after Satan.
(Rev 2:9) "I know your works, tribulation, and poverty (but you are rich); and I know the blasphemy of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
(Rev 2:13) "I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan's throne is. And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.
(Rev 2:24) "Now to you I say, and to the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this doctrine, who have not known the depths of Satan, as they say, I will put on you no other burden.
(Rev 3:9) Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you.
(Rev 12:9) So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
(Rev 20:2) He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
(Rev 20:7) Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison
I do not have to watch out for the devil, I dwell among the devils,
they are everywhere on earth.
And I can prove anything I say, before the living God
or I will not say it.
Truthnightmare
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But you do have to watch out for the devil.
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
Stumpmaster
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