Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[MatthewG]

@MatthewG ..will read your post later...I have to go out...bye for now...isn’t it lovely when we can discuss in a civilised manner.....this was something that took me a long time to learn....I kept going in and out of that old mindset...LOL

Yes. Have a good day.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes many churches do just that .
they might expose the lgbtq and yet support the false love of money .
or they might expose the abortion and yet support the lgbtq
or they etc .
ALL SINS must be exposed .
not just certain ones and etc .
ALL sins and errors .
Leaven moves in fast and can sure fill up a place .
The biblical pattern Works . the patterns of judge not correct not DONT .

Like I said. Real church study the word. and they preach it. letter by letter verse by verse.

They do not (in my view) just pick certain sins and start judging people or call people out. God tells us how to come beside people who are struggling with sin.

The legalistic church is a dead church because they push all their people away instead of comming along side and helping them

and the churches that do come along side, are called evil churches.

I will be honest. Churches that allow it openly in their doors (like Methodist and others) I do nto even consider true churches..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So just reading the Bible is insufficient to learn how one enters…

Is that what you’re implying?

Because that’s cult control tactics.

The pharisee could quote the OT verbaitim yet they did not know how to enter.

just reading does not mean you know..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

People are capable of ceasing from sin.

The opportunity to be sinless wasn’t available until the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

God told his people in the Old Testament over and over again to STOP sinning.

They disobeyed and suffered terribly for it.

“If you will diligently listen to the voice of the LORD your God, and do that which is right in his eyes, and give ear to his commandments and keep all his statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you that I put on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, your healer.”(Exodus 15:26)

God is not unjust to threaten us with consequences in acts out of our control.

He told them to stop their sin of adultry (against him)

God would not tell them to do something they are unable to do.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As long as people have read the recent postings here they will know that this statement of yours is false.

I’m perfect because Christ made me perfect.

I’m sinless because Christ took away all my sins (1 John 1:7).

I’m going to heaven if I continue in the faith grounded and settled (Colossians 1:23).

You prove my point with every post

I find it amazing you say God made you sinless of his power

But he is not able to make you perfect forever, you have to do that yourself.

Talk about double talk

 

[Eternally Grateful]

good morning @Eternally Grateful. Great name, would like you to know, that I hope you have a good day today. You are still on ignore, and your rebuttals will be ignored.


Let’s actually have a good day and live it before God as though we may die today.

Did not know a question was a rebuttable. I thought we were discussing what the word says.

But if you do not want to discuss the word. thats fine

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The pharisee could quote the OT verbaitim yet they did not know how to enter.

They understood.

But they were hypocrites.

Hypocrites ignore the scriptures.

Much like ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED adherents do:

 

[RedFan]

People are capable of ceasing from sin.

The opportunity to be sinless wasn’t available until the sacrifice of Christ on the cross.

I buy the first proposition, but not the second. What happened on the cross that suddenly empowered human sinlessness? Please explain.

 

[MatthewG]

Did not know a question was a rebuttable. I thought we were discussing what the word says.

But if you do not want to discuss the word. thats fine

It can be yes. People love debates, they love it even more when people agree with them, so they can atleast say, if two or three are gathered in his name he is in the midst of them. I’m glad many people disagree with me, think I am confusing, or that I am just batted out loony. It’s all praise to God, sir.

 

[MatthewG]

I buy the first proposition, but not the second. What happened on the cross that suddenly empowered human sinlessness? Please explain.

I wish I could be sinless. My heart would beat better probably, my sin keeps humble though. People will have more tendencies to sin, less. They can even try to reach the point of not sinning at all, by and through the Lord Jesus Christ in them. People have to be careful with this knowledge. Cause no one in life, no matter how much they look like they are just perfect (complete, made whole.) They still have weaknesses that come up in their life.

We are now given the ability to be in sanctification through Christ which is a purification process which is by the Holy Spirit and fire within them.

I’m not perfect by my flesh. I am complete in Christ, but I still fail in accordance to Jesus who makes me right with God and flows through me to produce good things for the purpose of the will of God, being set free off the bondage of sin.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

What happened on the cross that suddenly empowered human sinlessness?

“…the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.” (1 John 1:7)

And then as a sinless saint upon conversion you do the following:

“…Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” (Galatians 5:16)

For:

“…if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins” (Hebrews 10:26)

And furthermore:

“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?” (Hebrews 10:29)

We will incur a SORER punishment than the unbelievers.

This is serious business and it’s absolutely sad that many Christians have been put to sleep from these sobering facts.

 

[Ritajanice]

A Born Again can never have the “ Living “ word of God erased from their heart/ spirit....we have been “ Born Of The Spirit “....
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11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to standagainst the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against* flesh" and blood, but againstprincipalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darknessof this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, andhaving on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be ableto quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit,which is the word of God:
18 Praying always** with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit,and watching thereunto** with all perseverance and supplicationfor all saints;

.....you can’t believe in God without him bringing us to belief and gifting us faith which is a manifestation of the Spirit.....
As his word says, without the Spirit you are none of his.


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◄ Hebrews 10:14 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. New Living Translation For by that one offering he forever made perfect those who are being made holy. English Standard Version For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. Berean Standard Bible because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are being sanctified. Berean Literal Bible For by one offering, He has perfected for all time those being sanctified. King James Bible For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. New King James Version For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified

 

[Taken]

So just reading the Bible is insufficient to learn how one enters…

Is that what you’re implying?

What I was saying is FLAT OUT WHO IS “included” IN Gods Kingdom….
And WHO IS hoping to be “included”.

And YES…A study of Scripture Does inform a person of: (regarding the Kingdom of God)…
WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHY…
* IF they ARE included
* IF they MIGHT BE included.
* IF they WOULD BE excluded.
* IF they ARE excluded.

Because that’s cult control tactics.

CULT ~
* A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.

* The followers of such a religion or sect.
A system or community of religious worship and ritual.

* A system or community of religious worship and ritual.

You can use the word “CULT” to imply a NEGATIVE connotation (as was your intent)…

However EVERY religious “CULT” is an organization with participants having LIKE BELIEFS, and WILLING TO AGREE and participate in the “system” of “worship and rituals”.

Have I remotely indicated MY beliefs Conflict with the Lord God?
Do you believe the Lord God DOES NOT have particular TACTICS?

Sure He Does.
A tactic is simply a plan to achieve A GOAL.

 

[MatthewG]

While a born again person who follows the Lord Jesus Christ is given the spirit. They can also go backwards and reject and put everything they learned on the back burner, and reject the Spirit.

It just a fact that no one can ever erase… while some people believe they were never believing faithfully, I believe that sometimes people were,
and were possibly mislead.

Some people will use scripture to justify one place founded but in another it is a contraction, you can pick and pull and grill all one wants to.

If you love God and love others, by the spirit. Awesome. In the end everyone is responsible for themselves.

I only share the subject because it’s something all people must consider — your faith is going to be lived out daily. (What that looks like for someone else I don’t know, but it’s allowing the spirit to flow over the flesh.)



May all of you continue to believe and put God first and call out to Yahavah, and may he continue to work on our hearts and minds to continue to stay rooted firmly on the foundation of Christ Jesus

 

[Ritajanice]

It’s by the Spirit that we are saved from eternal damnation...becoming “ Born Of The Spirit “...

Overall, a person must be radically born again by the wind of the Holy Spirit and raised up from the dead in their inner person, like the dry bones in Ezekiel's vision. Without this radical transformation lived out until death, no one can enter the eternal Kingdom of God.​

◄ 1 Corinthians 6:11 ►

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Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. New Living Translation Some of you were once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. English Standard Version And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Berean Standard Bible And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Berean Literal Bible And some of you were such. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. King James Bible And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They understood.

But they were hypocrites.

Ah,, Like you?

Hypocrites ignore the scriptures.

Much like ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED adherents do:

lol.. So we are hypocrites because of our faith in the power of God.

ok.. whatever.. Again, You just keep proving me right every time you speak

 

[Michiah-Imla]

@Taken

You should write in common simple terms and leave out the air of condescension with providing definitions.

And please don’t break this post down with a dictionary.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

While a born again person who follows the Lord Jesus Christ is given the spirit. They can also go backwards and reject and put everything they learned on the back burner, and reject the Spirit.

It just a fact that no one can ever erase… while some people believe they were never believing faithfully, I believe that sometimes people were,
and were possibly mislead.

Some people will use scripture to justify one place founded but in another it is a contraction, you can pick and pull and grill all one wants to.

If you love God and love others, by the spirit. Awesome. In the end everyone is responsible for themselves.

I only share the subject because it’s something all people must consider — your faith is going to be lived out daily. (What that looks like for someone else I don’t know, but it’s allowing the spirit to flow over the flesh.)



May all of you continue to believe and put God first and call out to Yahavah, and may he continue to work on our hearts and minds to continue to stay rooted firmly on the foundation of Christ Jesus

I look at it like this

Imagine yourself in the middle of the ocean, Your boat has sank, And even though you are not alone. All of you have no ability to save yourself.

Then God sends someone to rescue you. But you have to allow them to rescue you and not reject their salvation.

So now in faith. You allow them to rescue you. And you are brought to dry land,,

Now imagine three years later. You decide you want to go back out into the ocean where you were rescued from, and reject the person who saved you, because you changed your mind and now believe you were in no danger to begin with.

This is in effect you are saying, That a person who was rescued from the world. Who repented. and understood their situation, and freely received the salvation from the one sent from God. will later reject that, and say they were not in danger in the first place. they want to go back.

See, I disagree,, They may not want to follow the one who rescued them, But they are not going to want to go back to where they came from.; Because they knew their fate. (Unless, they never trusted the rescuer to begin with.. which is what the word says)

Again, We agree, they will not go to heaven, What separates us is you think they want to go back. I think they never came to begin with.

 

[amigo de christo]

Like I said. Real church study the word. and they preach it. letter by letter verse by verse.

They do not (in my view) just pick certain sins and start judging people or call people out. God tells us how to come beside people who are struggling with sin.

The legalistic church is a dead church because they push all their people away instead of comming along side and helping them

and the churches that do come along side, are called evil churches.

I will be honest. Churches that allow it openly in their doors (like Methodist and others) I do nto even consider true churches..

SOMETHING ELSE i notice .
what is the one sin that most all churches , most all society , most all the western world
is TERRIFED of even speaking against .
THE NUMBER ONE SIN .
HOMOSEXUALITY . NOW why do we suppose this is .
Even churches that preach out against certain sins , WONT TOUCH that one .
WHY do you think that is .
And what is this a sign of .
END DAYS MY FRIEND .
this is the one sin that most every singel church and society WILL NOT even dare , even dare to call a sin .
Folks are afraid of something .
And they will make any and every excuse as to why they sit silent in churches
as they SEE and KNOW FULL WELL married gay couples who claim to believe in JESUS are sitting week by week
month by month , year by year in those churches . THEY are terrified to say a word .
and now A WORD .
the fearful will not inherit the kingdom of GOD .
We cannot be fearful to do all to help the other , EVEN IF THAT SIN IS HOMOSEXUALITY .
let that sink in for a bit .

 

[Ritajanice]

SOMETHING ELSE i notice .
what is the one sin that most all churches , most all society , most all the western world
is TERRIFED of even speaking against .
THE NUMBER ONE SIN .
HOMOSEXUALITY . NOW why do we suppose this is .
Even churches that preach out against certain sins , WONT TOUCH that one .
WHY do you think that is .
And what is this a sign of .
END DAYS MY FRIEND .
this is the one sin that most every singel church and society WILL NOT even dare , even dare to call a sin .
Folks are afraid of something .
And they will make any and every excuse as to why they sit silent in churches
as they SEE and KNOW FULL WELL married gay couples who claim to believe in JESUS are sitting week by week
month by month , year by year in those churches . THEY are terrified to say a word .
and now A WORD .
the fearful will not inherit the kingdom of GOD .
We cannot be fearful to do all to help the other , EVEN IF THAT SIN IS HOMOSEXUALITY .
let that sink in for a bit .

I believe it’s because society won’t allow it, ...do you think homosexuals should feel shame, ?.....many have committed suicide have they not, because society ostracised them at one time.....society won’t allow that now...is that wrong?

Shouldn’t they not be loved regardless of gender?....