The 144,000 before God at the end.

[Timtofly]

So Adam was untold billions of years old? That is not scriptural and you are dangling into the precipice of those who hold up 'evolution'.

Not what I claimed. The Day of the Lord is only considered a thousand years in Scripture. Why do you conflate Scripture with evolution?

The earth will only have an existence of around 8,000 years. There is no indication from God anywhere, stating something other than 8,000 years.

I think people who claim only 7,000 years are not paying attention to the 10 commandments. God told Moses and all of Israel to Remember the Sabbath. That was the first 1,000 years. Humans don't even want to acknowledge it, much less Remember that Day of the Lord.

 

[Hobie]

Not what I claimed. The Day of the Lord is only considered a thousand years in Scripture. Why do you conflate Scripture with evolution?

The earth will only have an existence of around 8,000 years. There is no indication from God anywhere, stating something other than 8,000 years.

I think people who claim only 7,000 years are not paying attention to the 10 commandments. God told Moses and all of Israel to Remember the Sabbath. That was the first 1,000 years. Humans don't even want to acknowledge it, much less Remember that Day of the Lord.

I think you have gone deep into 'private interpretation' need to counsel with the brethren in your church

 

[Hobie]

Much controversy surrounds the 144.000. Who are they and what do they do?

Revelation 7:1-8 sets an earthly scene and says that 12,000 will come from each of the 12 tribes of Israel. This is immediately followed by verses 9-14, telling about a huge crowd of people from every tribe, race, nation and language, who have just passed through a great ordeal.

This ordeal is logically and literally; the just previous, Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, that will destroy the attackers of Israel, as well as the ungodly Israelis. Many prophesies tell us that all of the holy Land will be cleared and cleansed at that time, in preparation for the establishment of a righteous nation there. Isaiah 62:1-5
A people who will be God’s witnesses, Isaiah 43:10, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations. Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16

Revelation 14:1-5 also tells us about the 144,000. The Lord stands on Mt Zion and they are with Him. John then sees a flying angel, who is loudly proclaiming the Gospel throughout the earth.

We know that Bible prophecy is a little here, a little there, so to gain more understanding on this subject, we look at Isaiah 66:15-17, where it says the Lord will judge with fire and many will be killed by Him. 2 Peter 3:7, plainly says that a fire Judgment is coming.

After that, He will gather His people, as many prophesies clearly state; Ezekiel 34:11-16, Isaiah 35:1-10, Jeremiah 23:3-4, +

Isaiah 66:18b-21 They are people from every nation, coming on every means of transport, a huge number of people, Jeremiah 31:8-9, some of whom, God will put a sign on and will send to the nations to proclaim His Glory . The 144,000



From these and other Bible prophesies, we are told that the Lord will correct the current situation of having ungodly people in His holy Land. Jeremiah 12:14 says He will uproot all of them and it will be only the righteous believers who will live there. Psalms 37:9-29, Isaiah 35, Isaiah 62:1-5, Romans 9:24-26
Therefore, the sequence is: a soon to happen Day of disaster for the world and all who stood firm in their faith and called out to the Lord for His protection, will go to live in all of the holy Land. Psalms 107 and Isaiah 66:18b-21 tells about that great second Exodus.
There: soon after the fiery Judgement, the Lord will be revealed to them, as 2 Thessalonians 1:4b-10 exactly states. Also Revelation 14:1

He will stand on Mt Zion, in Jerusalem and all the people will be divided into 12 groups according to their family characteristics. From each of them, He will select 12,000 young men, who will go out in pairs to proclaim the coming Kingdom of Jesus. The ‘angel’ of Revelation 14:6-7 is symbolic for them and Luke 10:1-10 is the precursor.

There will be more trials and testing for those people, as prophesied, but it will not be more than 20 years, before Jesus Returns to commence His Millennium reign.

Where do you get the 'young men' text?

 

[Keraz]

Where do you get the 'young men' text?

Revelation 14:4 is very explicit: These are men who have kept themselves chaste and have not defiled themselves with women.......

The Lord will stand on Mt Zion and select them out of the vast multitude of Christian peoples, Rev 7:9

 

[brightfame52]

Revelation 14:4 is very explicit: These are men who have kept themselves chaste and have not defiled themselves with women.......

The Lord will stand on Mt Zion and select them out of the vast multitude of Christian peoples, Rev 7:9

Those of Rev 14:4 werent they sinners who were redeemed ? Rev 14:3-4

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

I would say they are the same ones as Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

 

[ewq1938]

Those of Rev 14:4 werent they sinners who were redeemed ? Rev 14:3-4

3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

I would say they are the same ones as Rev 5:9

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

How can they be the same ones? There are 144k learning a new song in Rev 14, and 24 elders singing a new song in Rev 5.

 

[Keraz]

And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

They will be living Christian men, THEY go out to the nations to preach the Gospel of the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

 

[brightfame52]

How can they be the same ones? There are 144k learning a new song in Rev 14, and 24 elders singing a new song in Rev 5.

How could they not be the same ones ? Redeemed from among men. You dont think the 144000 were sinners ? Why were they redeemed ? What were they redeemed from ?

 

[brightfame52]

They will be living Christian men, THEY go out to the nations to preach the Gospel of the coming Kingdom. Isaiah 66:19

Huh ? They are redeemed sinners

 

[brightfame52]

The 144000 in Rev 14 are said to be without fault Vs 5

5 And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

They are the same ones Jude writes of Jude 1:24

24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Whats the difference between " without fault before the Throne of God" and "faultless before the presence of His Glory " ?

In the original without fault and faultless are the same greek word

1. without blemish
   1. as a sacrifice without spot or blemish
2. morally: without blemish, faultless, unblameable

Its the same people

 

[Traveler]

After the rapture the age of grace ends and every thing returns back to the law of the old testament. The saints are raptured, the Jews are not. They remain until after the trumpets before they are gathered. The 144 thousand are all Jews that fill the vacuum left by the church. Their job is to reach out to the Jews and those left to overcome the mark of the beast.

 

[ewq1938]

How could they not be the same ones ?

Probably because 24 is not the same as 144,000.

 

[ewq1938]

The 144 thousand are all Jews that fill the vacuum left by the church.

The 144k are part of the church. The NT church started with 12 Jews, then grew and eventually gentiles were brought into this Church.

 

[Keraz]

Huh ? They are redeemed sinners

If they were sinners, they would have defiled themselves with women......Rev 14:4
Redeemed; simply means: Separated out from. The 144,000 will be selected out from the vast multitude of the Christian peoples. Rev 7:9

 

[Traveler]

The 144k are part of the church. The NT church started with 12 Jews, then grew and eventually gentiles were brought into this Church.

There are 12 tribes of Israel

 

[ewq1938]

There are 12 tribes of Israel

Jesus had 12 disciples.

 

[Traveler]

Jesus had 12 disciples.

You will find 12 or multiples of that appear a lot in the Bible.

 

[ewq1938]

You will find 12 or multiples of that appear a lot in the Bible.

I think about 12 occurrences.

 

[brightfame52]

Probably because 24 is not the same as 144,000.

lol they are the same, you just cant see it, perhaps God will open up your understanding soon

 

[brightfame52]

If they were sinners, they would have defiled themselves with women......Rev 14:4
Redeemed; simply means: Separated out from. The 144,000 will be selected out from the vast multitude of the Christian peoples. Rev 7:9

If they werent sinners, they would not have been redeemed ? Duh