The 144,000 before God at the end.

[Hobie]

Did you mean to say Adam and Eve were not the only two beings created on day 6? Eve was not created nor even around on day 6.

Yes there was a literal tree and literal fruit. Were all trees and fruit symbolic until after the Flood?

So how do you read this text..
Genesis 5:2
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

 

[Timtofly]

So how do you read this text..
Genesis 5:2
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Like you would that it was not a literal 24 hr. day, but the day of their generation from the time Adam was named and he died outside the Garden over 900 years later.

From Genesis 5 and 6, we see that from Seth on, all of Adam and Eve's offspring were Adamkind or humankind as opposed to all the Sons of God created on the 6th day.

You have to remember that Adam named Eve after the punishment from God and they were banned from the Garden of Eden.

Those verses do not declare Eve was created on the 6th day. Those verses say in the day that God created them. God also created their bodies of death as the result of Adam's disobedience, if you want to get technical. Adam was created a son of God. But Adam left the Garden not as a son of God, but as the first human in dead corruptible flesh.

Eve was now, when named, technically the mother of all dead corruptible flesh. Now, the second birth makes us sons of God, not being born of Adam and Eve.

 

[Truthnightmare]

But, more to the point: we see in Matthew 4:1-12 that Satan has control of all the kingdoms of the world.
Ever since Adam, Satan has had access to heaven and earth. Revelation 12:9 tells us when he lose's his place in heaven.

I believe Satan existed long before Adam..

 

[Keraz]

I believe Satan existed long before Adam..

That is irrelevant to the truth of when Satan gained world control; when Adam and Eve sinned against God.
It was at that point, that God commenced His 7000 year plan to redeem mankind.

 

[Truthnightmare]

But, more to the point: we see in Matthew 4:1-12 that Satan has control of all the kingdoms of the world.
Ever since Adam, Satan has had access to heaven and earth. Revelation 12:9 tells us when he lose's his place in heaven.

I don’t believe this to be the case… There is a very good case for Job being the oldest book. Also, Satan was in the garden of Eden before Adam was formed.

 

[Truthnightmare]

But, more to the point: we see in Matthew 4:1-12 that Satan has control of all the kingdoms of the world.
Ever since Adam, Satan has had access to heaven and earth. Revelation 12:9 tells us when he lose's his place in heaven.

Revelation 12:9 is future.

 

[Truthnightmare]

Like you would that it was not a literal 24 hr. day, but the day of their generation from the time Adam was named and he died outside the Garden over 900 years later.

From Genesis 5 and 6, we see that from Seth on, all of Adam and Eve's offspring were Adamkind or humankind as opposed to all the Sons of God created on the 6th day.

You have to remember that Adam named Eve after the punishment from God and they were banned from the Garden of Eden.

Those verses do not declare Eve was created on the 6th day. Those verses say in the day that God created them. God also created their bodies of death as the result of Adam's disobedience, if you want to get technical. Adam was created a son of God. But Adam left the Garden not as a son of God, but as the first human in dead corruptible flesh.

Eve was now, when named, technically the mother of all dead corruptible flesh. Now, the second birth makes us sons of God, not being born of Adam and Eve.

Adam was formed after day 7, but there were men and women created on day 6.

 

[Zao is life]

Adam was formed after day 7, but there were men and women created on day 6.

God rested after His work. After the 7th day (sabbath) ended (it ended when Adam fell) God created no one.

His work of creation ended on the 6th day, when he created Adam and Eve.

 

[Truthnightmare]

God rested after His work. After the 7th day (sabbath) ended (it ended when Adam fell) God created no one.

His work of creation ended on the 6th day, when he created Adam and Eve.

God rested on the 7th day… yes, but Adam had not been formed yet nor do the manuscripts say he was.

 

[Hobie]

The Second coming of Jesus is not the end, it is the beginning of a thousand years of mankind living as God always intended.
Only the martyrs killed for their faith during the Great Tribulation in the final 3 1/2 years; will be raised when Jesus Returns.

The Last Trumpet to raise ALL the dead, will be blown after the Millennium. Revelation 20:11-15

The saints are going to heaven, if you are left here, its not good. The Lake of Fire is the next destiny for anyone not in heaven during the 1000 years... The Thousand Years (Millennium) | Bibleinfo.com

 

[Hobie]

Like you would that it was not a literal 24 hr. day, but the day of their generation from the time Adam was named and he died outside the Garden over 900 years later.

From Genesis 5 and 6, we see that from Seth on, all of Adam and Eve's offspring were Adamkind or humankind as opposed to all the Sons of God created on the 6th day.

You have to remember that Adam named Eve after the punishment from God and they were banned from the Garden of Eden.

Those verses do not declare Eve was created on the 6th day. Those verses say in the day that God created them. God also created their bodies of death as the result of Adam's disobedience, if you want to get technical. Adam was created a son of God. But Adam left the Garden not as a son of God, but as the first human in dead corruptible flesh.

Eve was now, when named, technically the mother of all dead corruptible flesh. Now, the second birth makes us sons of God, not being born of Adam and Eve.

So a day turns into 900 years, thats absolute confusion, to say nothing of the total eradication of the Bible text and understanding, something only the devil would be pleased with.

 

[Timtofly]

So a day turns into 900 years, thats absolute confusion, to say nothing of the total eradication of the Bible text and understanding, something only the devil would be pleased with.

Your day does.

I never said the Day in God's Word is anything less than a thousand years.

Adam was on earth for around 1930 years. Seems he lived in the Garden of Eden for about 30 years, then his physical body stopped functioning 900 years later. Seth was born 100 years after Adam and Eve were banned from the Garden.

Adam was about 30 years in the Garden when he disobeyed God. Jesus was about 30 years old when He obeyed God and was baptized. That would be my comparison between what Paul was declaring in 1 Corinthians 15. Jesus was born about 4 Days after Adam was placed in the Garden. It has been about 2 Days since the Cross.

 

[Hobie]

Your day does.

I never said the Day in God's Word is anything less than a thousand years.

Adam was on earth for around 1930 years. Seems he lived in the Garden of Eden for about 30 years, then his physical body stopped functioning 900 years later. Seth was born 100 years after Adam and Eve were banned from the Garden.

Adam was about 30 years in the Garden when he disobeyed God. Jesus was about 30 years old when He obeyed God and was baptized. That would be my comparison between what Paul was declaring in 1 Corinthians 15. Jesus was born about 4 Days after Adam was placed in the Garden. It has been about 2 Days since the Cross.

What Bible are you reading..
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

 

[Timtofly]

What Bible are you reading..
Genesis 5:5
And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.

30 of those years was in the Garden of Eden.

Adam was placed in the Garden after the first Day of the Lord. The Garden was planted after the Day of the Lord's rest.

 

[Hobie]

30 of those years was in the Garden of Eden.

Adam was placed in the Garden after the first Day of the Lord. The Garden was planted after the Day of the Lord's rest.

It was a literal day with a week of seven days, the same weekly cycle we have today.

 

[Traveler]

OK getting back to the original question about the 144000. This is the conclusion I came to.

The Age of grace ends and the saints get raptured. The earth then returns back to the old testament under the law. The saints are out of here but the Jews remain. Those 144000 are all Jews representing all 12 tribes of Israel. With the church gone they pick up the job of being Gods witness to this fallen world.

The Church is raptured in the sixth seal. The trumpets only start in the seventh seal. Only after the Trumpets do the Jews appear before the throne of God where they praise the king of the saints and sing the song of Moses. It is only after this that the bowls of wrath are poured out on a world that is only occupied by those who have rejected God altogether. Christ and his redeemed only return for the battle of Armageddon after this to start up the millennial reign.

 

[Hobie]

OK getting back to the original question about the 144000. This is the conclusion I came to.

The Age of grace ends and the saints get raptured. The earth then returns back to the old testament under the law. The saints are out of here but the Jews remain. Those 144000 are all Jews representing all 12 tribes of Israel. With the church gone they pick up the job of being Gods witness to this fallen world.

The Church is raptured in the sixth seal. The trumpets only start in the seventh seal. Only after the Trumpets do the Jews appear before the throne of God where they praise the king of the saints and sing the song of Moses. It is only after this that the bowls of wrath are poured out on a world that is only occupied by those who have rejected God altogether. Christ and his redeemed only return for the battle of Armageddon after this to start up the millennial reign.

Can you give scripture for that..

 

[Timtofly]

It was a literal day with a week of seven days, the same weekly cycle we have today.

"And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations (plural, a thousand years) of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day (singular, the Day of the Lord) that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

No one tilled the earth, nor did a single wild thing come out of the ground for the entire Day that the Lord made the heavens and earth, in this period of that creation. The Day of the Lord was the Sabbath Day. The creating was the 6 literal days of that Day of the Lord, singular. God planted the Garden of Eden after the Day of the Lord. God let generations of life live as God had planned life to be, way before God even planted the Garden of Eden.

No verse states the evening and morning was the Sabbath day. Nor is it implied in Exodus 20:11

"For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."

The 7th day started that rest, but no verse states God started work again after 24 hours. The Sabbath was the Day of the Lord. The last Sabbath is also a Day of the Lord. God told Israel to Remember the Sabbath Day, not the 7th day. The 7th day was to be kept holy to remember the Sabbath Day.

It was not the same weekly style. That is not the format of Genesis 2 at all. Genesis 2 is not a repeat of Genesis 1. Nor is it a totally seperate creation event after the 7th Day. Genesis 2 gives us the passing of time after the week given in Genesis 1.

The day of rest is not even mentioned in chapter 1 despite the chapter break. Chapter 2 is a different thought that declared all creation over before the day of rest is even mentioned.

The Garden of Eden was not created, but planted, and marked off to place Adam in, separate from the sons of God already established on the earth. The creation of Adam and all the animals in this chapter was already accomplished in the first chapter.

"And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed."

Yes, two different Hebrew words meaning two different things. One planted, the other created. What was created was declared finished after the 6th day, before the 7th day even started. What was planted was an event after the "day of rest". The Garden was after this "day of rest". Adam and the animals were created on the 6th day prior to the Day of rest.

"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

"And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

The same creation event with different applications. Even though Genesis 2 is not a repeat of Genesis 1, it does address the same creation event, but chapter 2 gives us the purpose specific to Adam. Adam did not name the animals on the 6th day. Adam named them after the day of rest, after he was placed in the Garden.

Adam was not in the Garden at all during the Day of the Lord. There is no verse that even hints at that point.

Adam was chosen out of all the sons of God to represent God on earth. Abraham was chosen out of all the Gentiles to represent God on the earth. The 12 disciples were chosen by Christ to represent God on earth. The 144k are from the 12 tribes of Israel to represent God on the earth. All the redeemed are to represent God on the earth. Sometimes God calls a specific human or group of humans for a specific purpose and time.

The 144k are not just some general generic figurative symbolism needed to be interpreted by guessing. They will have an important role, even though we are never given the details.

 

[Traveler]

Can you give scripture for that..

This is the saints in heaven during the sixth seal. Their salvation is attributed to the blood of the Lamb

Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.
Rev 7:16 They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.
Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

This also occurs during the sixth seal. It is the 144000 being marked.

Rev 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
Rev 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Rev 7:5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar were sealed twelve thousand.
Rev 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

This is where the trumpets are started. It occurs during the seventh seal.

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

This group is found before the throne of God and at the same time the bowls of wrath are about to be poured out. That implies that the trumpets are over. This group sings the song of moses which the saints do not. Only the Jews do indicating a separation between the Gentiles that form the church through grace and the Jews of the law passed down through Moses.

Rev 15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
Rev 15:2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
Rev 15:3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

 

[Hobie]

Like you would that it was not a literal 24 hr. day, but the day of their generation from the time Adam was named and he died outside the Garden over 900 years later.

From Genesis 5 and 6, we see that from Seth on, all of Adam and Eve's offspring were Adamkind or humankind as opposed to all the Sons of God created on the 6th day.

You have to remember that Adam named Eve after the punishment from God and they were banned from the Garden of Eden.

Those verses do not declare Eve was created on the 6th day. Those verses say in the day that God created them. God also created their bodies of death as the result of Adam's disobedience, if you want to get technical. Adam was created a son of God. But Adam left the Garden not as a son of God, but as the first human in dead corruptible flesh.

Eve was now, when named, technically the mother of all dead corruptible flesh. Now, the second birth makes us sons of God, not being born of Adam and Eve.

So Adam was untold billions of years old? That is not scriptural and you are dangling into the precipice of those who hold up 'evolution'.