covenantee
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So you believe he is of the devil.The man of God is certainly not the corporate body of the church, universal.
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So you believe he is of the devil.The man of God is certainly not the corporate body of the church, universal.
Well, I guess the question is was Nebuchadnezzar a believer or not. I have heard some people who argue he was a believer.Are you saying Satan was actually Nebuchadnezzer? Nebuchadnezzer was not a human king, but Satan?
Hardly the prince of this world.
This 42 months only happens after the Second Coming. It is not a lead up to the Second Coming moment. There is no world dictator prior to the Second Coming. That is the imagination of the left behind series, not found in Scripture. Satan is only bound in the pit during the Day of the Lord, not any other time in history.Right, at some point it will be the last 42 months, but what is currently preventing Satan from implementing the MOB and kicking off the 42 month period? Is Satan bound right now or not?
But never Satan's one world government. That is the point.Well, I guess the question is was Nebuchadnezzar a believer or not. I have heard some people who argue he was a believer.
Either way a one world government was in place at that time.
If you as a human give Satan that authority, sure. It is only humans that cause Satan to have any authority.Jesus doesn't agree with your opinion @Timtofly ..
Jesus said in John 14:30, just the opposite.
Satan is the god of THIS world.
Look at this world.... Its one big sewer of lust and evil.
God is not doing that.. He's not causing it.
Satan is going to show up soon enough.
Be sure not to be here, when He does, reader, as if you are here in the Trib, then that is because you are not saved when it starts.
I don’t think anyone has the view that Satan is going to physically rule on earth, physically sitting on some throne.But never Satan's one world government. That is the point.
Satan always had influence. But was never actually put in charge of any human government.
That is the point of the temptation of Jesus. Satan was not giving Jesus something Satan had. Satan was offering his help to establish Jesus as the King of the World. Like Satan has offered every human help to get there. The issue is not letting Satan help you, or you will always be in debt and service to Satan. The worship of Satan is the price to pay for services rendered. Not that Satan had any authority from God, but only what humans gave up to Satan.
Jesus knew it was not time to be King, but to be the Christ on the Cross.
If you as a human give Satan that authority, sure. It is only humans that cause Satan to have any authority.
You left out 2 Thessalonians 2:9-10. Whose coming is … in them that perish.
The coming happens inside of those that perish, a spiritual coming.
The coming or parousia in 2 Thessalonians 2:9 was an arrival just as Jesus has a coming or parousia.Spiritual coming?! You do not make any sense. Or you do not understand what God talked about.
2Th 2:9-10
(9) Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
(10) And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Satan's principle weapon is that of DECEPTION. Here we see God clearly telling us that this SPIRIT Satan which was already at work in the world even then, would be revealed in the future, and that the iniquity or lawlessness was being restrained, that the man of sin (man of lawlessness) could not rule in God's Temple at that time. But in the future this iniquity that was restrained would be loosed and only THEN would that iniquity be unrestrained, and Satan revealed. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and lying signs and wonders. Man with the spirit of Satan is the man of lawlessness.
The problem is that you are reading into Scripture thinking God is talking about ONE MAN, when God is talking about EVERY INDIVIDUAL who is coming with the spirit of Satan as man of sin. Not one but many. Just as God sees EVERY BELIEVER as the man of God and He sees EVERY unsaved professed Christian as man of sin. There will not be going to be one man sit (ruling) in a physical temple here. Rather there will be many false prophets and christs sit (ruling) in the Church (Holy Spirit) all over the world. Not in Jerusalem only. Selah!
Daniel 2:37 Thou, O king, art a king of kings: for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, power, and strength, and glory. 38 And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.
I don’t know how it can get any clearer than that, “ruler over them all”.
Satans power is restricted to Babylon,
Satan is going to show up soon enough.
Be sure not to be here, when He does, reader, as if you are here in the Trib, then that is because you are not saved when it starts.
They obviously don't see that, because of some kind of deception. It is clearly stated that the beast: Revelation 17:8 is Satan.I don’t think anyone has the view that Satan is going to physically rule on earth, physically sitting on some throne.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Satan is “in charge” of the minds of those who don’t believe. So in that sense he rules spiritually. It boils down to whether you think Nebuchadnezzar was a believer or not as to whether Satan had a one world government at that time.
Are you arguing that Nebuchadnezzar was a believer?
Because being spiritually "of Satan" does not imply one has to give Satan authority as a human, not physically born of Satan. There is a choice. One's will does not come from Satan. One's spiritual disposition comes from Satan.Let me show you what to believe about unbelievers, vs... the Born again.
Jesus said...>"YOU are of YOUR FATHER... THE DEVIL.. and the LUSTS of your FATHER , you shall do"
So...Who has the "DEVIL as their Spiritual Father"?
A.) That is every unbeliever, never born again, who is breathing or died.
So, how do you end that? How do you stop the DEVIL from being your "father"? Spiritually?
Jesus said...."You must be born again"... = and why is that?
Its because when you are born again, you are born again by God, and HE becomes your Spiritual Father.
This is why the CHRISTIAN goes to HEAVEN.. as God is their FATHER and He is in Heaven.
The unbelievers , never born again, go to HELL, as "Hell was created for the DEVIL and HIS Angels".. so, the children of the devil, who are all the Christ Rejectors = go to HELL, as that is the place that is created for THEIR Father.
Because being spiritually "of Satan" does not imply one has to give Satan authority as a human,
Its much as in the time of Christ, no matter what He did or said the Pharisees and others would not believe, but there were always the faithful few..It is quite frankly astonishing that people cannot see beyond their short sighted prejudices to simply accept what scripture says. Papal Rome has already met every single criteria to be identified as the Antichrist...people have been told...it has been explained...but they still want to cleave tightly to their cherished opinions and beliefs, and look elsewhere.
They gaze intently toward the distant horizon searching for an anti Christian monster to attack the church and everything it stands for, and at the same time chat amiably with the real Antichrist learning over the back fence inviting them to a barbecue.
Having abandoned scripture as the basis for truth, and ignore the only one who can truly save them, Protestantism is now in the process of wooing the state and asking the state for the power it lacks, and the state is only too happy to oblige. Little do they realise however that by uniting with the state, they are creating an image to the beast/Antichrist and will in short time form a confederation with the Antichrist themselves and persecute the minority refusing to worship the image they have set up.
At least they recognise they need power. But they need spiritual power and insight... Not the political power they presently crave.
Just look at the world being brought under one rule, we see it with mandates, declarations from the WHO, the UN and the G8, as they form the New World Order, its rising up..But never Satan's one world government. That is the point.
Satan always had influence. But was never actually put in charge of any human government.
That is the point of the temptation of Jesus. Satan was not giving Jesus something Satan had. Satan was offering his help to establish Jesus as the King of the World. Like Satan has offered every human help to get there. The issue is not letting Satan help you, or you will always be in debt and service to Satan. The worship of Satan is the price to pay for services rendered. Not that Satan had any authority from God, but only what humans gave up to Satan.
Jesus knew it was not time to be King, but to be the Christ on the Cross.
Except "rising up" is not found in Scripture as brought on by human means. When this empire of Satan starts, it is directly allowed by God.Just look at the world being brought under one rule, we see it with mandates, declarations from the WHO, the UN and the G8, as they form the New World Order, its rising up..
Well what would you suggest 'Rise up', 'Given life' 'Come up'. It is not 'directly alllowed by God', it is what He knew would happen as He knows all, and not stopped.Except "rising up" is not found in Scripture as brought on by human means. When this empire of Satan starts, it is directly allowed by God.
The problem is that your view has humans initiating and dictating God's timetable.
Because Satan's 8th empire, rises up, after Jesus is declared King of the 7th empire at the 7th Trumpet. If there is an 8th empire, it happens 3.5 days after the 7th Trumpet sounds. So the 7th Kingdom will only last 3.5 days, and then God will allow Satan his 8th Kingdom slot.Well what would you suggest 'Rise up', 'Given life' 'Come up'. It is not 'directly alllowed by God', it is what He knew would happen as He knows all, and not stopped.