Hi Vet, Your words: “Got a news flash for you bro, I've always held that the "day of the Lord" happens with the end of the final 70th week. One can easily see that by the chart I made for the flow of Daniel's final "one week" in the threads discussing it.”
I don’t believe I implied anything different, however, I see that as part of the problem.
Your words: “You might want to 'check' your wording above, because you first admit agreement that the 6th Seal contains "day of the Lord" event timing (which I've taught all along), and then you reverse and infer I'm creating some scheme that destroys that.”
That’s exactly what I meant, however, the 6[sup]th[/sup] seal in no way “parallels” any trumpet or vial judgment. All the different things like the seals, trumpets, thunders and vials are sequential, nor parallel.
Your words: “So which do you believe, that the Rev.6:14-17 verses are "day of the Lord" timing as it's showing there or not? Since the "day of the Lord" time events are given in that 6th Seal at the end of the Rev.6 chapter, and then in Rev.8 with the 7th Seal there's a period of silence, what do you think that's revealing? It's showing that Christ has come, and it's all over for the wicked on this earth.”
No, it’s certainly not over! The judgments will be just beginning. That period of silence is there to fulfill the prophecy of Zech. 2:13 - “Be silent before the Lord, all humanity, for he is springing into action from his holy dwelling.” NLT We are silent because we know the devastating loss of souls that is about to occur! We are silent because we know it is an awesome thing to be at the mercy of an angry God! We are silent because we know some horrible things are going to happen to some of our loved ones who didn’t make it. If we’re smart, we are silent in prayer for those lost loved ones, praying that they may be spared or that the events about to happen will change their hearts and they will repent before it’s too late!
Your words: “When that event begins, it means the first day of Christ's Milennium reign. If that's not showing a parallel of the 7 signs for the end that our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse in alignment with the 7 trumpets and 7 vials written of later, then I don't know what is. Can we find the same events of those Rev.6:14-17 verses in parallel with the final trumpet in Rev.11? Yes. Can we also find the same events in Rev.16 in parallel with the final vial? Yes.”
The correct answer is NO! Babylon is not Jerusalem so the earthquakes are different. Can there be signs in the sky more than once? Absolutely! The Olivet Discourse doesn’t make it past the signs of the 6[sup]th[/sup] seal and the rapture just before the day of the Lord begins. Our redemption from Luke 21 is the rapture and it is before the trumpet and vial judgments, imo.
Your words: “It's because of what's contained within the events given that causes this relationship between the seals, trumpets, and vials. It's not something I've made up like you're wrongly suggesting.”
There is very little correlation between these events. Things just get progressively worse as humanity continuously refuses to repent.
Your words: “Case in point: when I mention the Rev.16:15 verse given within the 6th Vial timing, where our Lord Jesus is giving a warning to His Church that He's coming "as a thief", and others want to say the Church is already raptured by that point, then what and who are they following?”
As I wrote before in a lengthy explanation of Rev. 16:15, it has nothing to do whatsoever with the church. Go back and read it!
Your words, “It's not IF one marks the type of events given on that 7th trumpet and the 7th vial. My foundation on that is the Scripture foundation Itself which The LORD gives by that comparison. By the time the 7th trumpet comes, it's over. By the time the 7th vial comes, it's over. Both are about the time of Christ's coming and taking over reign upon this earth, literally. It takes more time to read about the sequence of events there than the time it takes for them to occur, very quickly.”
I don’t think these events occur as quickly as you think, they occur over at least a 3 ½ yr. period. Verses like Rev. 11:15 aren’t recording actual history, they are speaking forth in faith about what is soon to occur.
I don’t believe I implied anything different, however, I see that as part of the problem.
Your words: “You might want to 'check' your wording above, because you first admit agreement that the 6th Seal contains "day of the Lord" event timing (which I've taught all along), and then you reverse and infer I'm creating some scheme that destroys that.”
That’s exactly what I meant, however, the 6[sup]th[/sup] seal in no way “parallels” any trumpet or vial judgment. All the different things like the seals, trumpets, thunders and vials are sequential, nor parallel.
Your words: “So which do you believe, that the Rev.6:14-17 verses are "day of the Lord" timing as it's showing there or not? Since the "day of the Lord" time events are given in that 6th Seal at the end of the Rev.6 chapter, and then in Rev.8 with the 7th Seal there's a period of silence, what do you think that's revealing? It's showing that Christ has come, and it's all over for the wicked on this earth.”
No, it’s certainly not over! The judgments will be just beginning. That period of silence is there to fulfill the prophecy of Zech. 2:13 - “Be silent before the Lord, all humanity, for he is springing into action from his holy dwelling.” NLT We are silent because we know the devastating loss of souls that is about to occur! We are silent because we know it is an awesome thing to be at the mercy of an angry God! We are silent because we know some horrible things are going to happen to some of our loved ones who didn’t make it. If we’re smart, we are silent in prayer for those lost loved ones, praying that they may be spared or that the events about to happen will change their hearts and they will repent before it’s too late!
Your words: “When that event begins, it means the first day of Christ's Milennium reign. If that's not showing a parallel of the 7 signs for the end that our Lord Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse in alignment with the 7 trumpets and 7 vials written of later, then I don't know what is. Can we find the same events of those Rev.6:14-17 verses in parallel with the final trumpet in Rev.11? Yes. Can we also find the same events in Rev.16 in parallel with the final vial? Yes.”
The correct answer is NO! Babylon is not Jerusalem so the earthquakes are different. Can there be signs in the sky more than once? Absolutely! The Olivet Discourse doesn’t make it past the signs of the 6[sup]th[/sup] seal and the rapture just before the day of the Lord begins. Our redemption from Luke 21 is the rapture and it is before the trumpet and vial judgments, imo.
Your words: “It's because of what's contained within the events given that causes this relationship between the seals, trumpets, and vials. It's not something I've made up like you're wrongly suggesting.”
There is very little correlation between these events. Things just get progressively worse as humanity continuously refuses to repent.
Your words: “Case in point: when I mention the Rev.16:15 verse given within the 6th Vial timing, where our Lord Jesus is giving a warning to His Church that He's coming "as a thief", and others want to say the Church is already raptured by that point, then what and who are they following?”
As I wrote before in a lengthy explanation of Rev. 16:15, it has nothing to do whatsoever with the church. Go back and read it!
Your words, “It's not IF one marks the type of events given on that 7th trumpet and the 7th vial. My foundation on that is the Scripture foundation Itself which The LORD gives by that comparison. By the time the 7th trumpet comes, it's over. By the time the 7th vial comes, it's over. Both are about the time of Christ's coming and taking over reign upon this earth, literally. It takes more time to read about the sequence of events there than the time it takes for them to occur, very quickly.”
I don’t think these events occur as quickly as you think, they occur over at least a 3 ½ yr. period. Verses like Rev. 11:15 aren’t recording actual history, they are speaking forth in faith about what is soon to occur.