Eternally Grateful
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they were not saved. Like Judas, they never believed.
you ca not be saved if you remain in unbelief
What Is "Salvation" In 1 Corinthians 10?
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you ca not be saved if you remain in unbelief
Perhaps you mean that God swore they would not enter His rest. Have you entered God's rest?
Much love!
They were saved from Egypt by the blood of lambs (we're saved from the Kingdom of satan, and bondage to sin, by Christ's blood).
They were baptized into Moses (we are baptized into Christ).
They ate manna (we take Communion).
Paul sets up a parallel in order to move further and establish another parallel: those who are saved must after being saved walk righteously or they God will in His wrath destroy them and they will not inherit the promise.
Your understanding of this passage, which appears to lack a clear statement expressing your understanding, needs to be in harmony with other, very clearly stated Scriptures, which tell us in no uncertain terms that if you are born again now, you will be with Jesus when He comes.
Do you know the ones I mean, or would you like for me to post them?
Much love!
Right.
Initially, Moses told Pharaoh to let the people go so they can go and serve God.
The same Law says that God tested them to see if they would keep His commands in His land.
The opposite of rest is torment (those who receive the mark will be tormented and have no rest).
Keeping God's commands is rest for the soul.
(Christ says "Come to Me... you will find rest for your soul..."--"rest" is not "Come do nothing," but "Come obey")
Breaking God's commands is torment for the soul.
The commands, then, were to be kept "in the land".
Therefore, when God says they won't enter His rest, He refers to not entering the Land of Promise.
This is precisely what befell the rebels.
They were "saved" from slavery in Egypt, but they were not reborn, which is something completely different. We learn from their example, but we are not subject to the terms of the Sinai covenant.
These did not enter God's rest, but we enter His rest in Christ.
Much love!
Eternally Grateful
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They never made it to the promised land. they never made it to his rest. They left the situation. but remained in dire straights.. lost. with nothing
Moses is not Christ. The fact your trying to say he is like him, is worrisome
Christ saved us with his death. Moses was just their head. he took them out and represented God.. But he could not save them
And?
Jesus said your fathers ate manna in the desert and are dead, whoever eats the bread he came to give will never die but will live forever.
No
Paul is warning us to not be like them, who continued to not believe. and because of their continued sin, was never granted salvation.. and to use them as a warning.
Will you enter Gods rest? Or be like them?
No, I'd like you to address what is being taught here: Paul is warning the church against sinning.
Behold
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Paul does not teach that the born again can lose their Heavenly Inheritance...... He teaches exactly the opposite.
Paul teaches that the Born Again Christian has become an :
"Heir of God".. and a "Joint Heir with Christ"..
A.) An "Heir", of GOD.....receives the "inheritance" because they are become the Eternal HEIR ....
This cant be changed., because its based on Spiritual BIRTH STATUS............and not on behavior patterns.
Its the same as becoming a "Son/Daughter" of God.....This is the end result of a Spiritual BIRTH....and can't be changed later by behavior or a "faith crisis".
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The opposite of rest is work.
What would you call if if you believe salvation is based on your performance?
Much love!
I disagree.
Matthew 11
28Come to Me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
29Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Christ is not saying, "Come and do not work," He is saying that "rest" is defined as doing things God's way, which He will lead you in to doing--again, Moses said that God said, "Let My people go so that they may serve Me." The opposite of slavery to satan is service to God. There is no other option of "do nothing" that preserves "faith alone".
I'm just reading 1 Corinthians 10, and seeing that sinning (and you may argue that this would include not believing God forgives us and gives us peace) can result in my being excluded from the Promise.
Behold
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His "people" in the OT< where you found your verse is talking about the JEW.
Are you a Jew? A Hebrew?
Are you in the Old Testament?
So, in the NT, the Born again Believer, is "not under the Law, but under Grace"..
This means that with respect to belonging to God, for eternity, the person is secure, based on the finished work of Jesus on The Cross.
1 Corinthians 10 seems to disagree.
Which part of what I was claiming it taught were you disagreeing with?
Read the passage--he lists explicit sins, and warns the Church not to do them.
How do you reconcile your thinking here with this passage:
1 John 3:1-3 KJV
1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3) And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
If you are a son of God now, you will be like Jesus when you see Him, according to this passage. Do you believe this is true?
The only qualification is that you are a son of God now.
Much love!
You're comparing apples to oranges--the contexts aren't the same.
In John 6, they wanted more food, and were asking Jesus to manifest some more food, like He had done, seeking to rely on physical substance; in 1 Corinthians 10, there is a recognition that the manna was a type and shadow of eating spiritual food in the Communion, today, and he draws out from that the teaching that despite their having been saved and lived under the cloud (the cloud of the Presence) , and having been baptized, and having eaten manna, they fell under God's wrath for sinning, and this is the same for Christians who had been saved by the blood, received the Presence, been baptized into Christ, and who eat Communion.
In other words, do not trust that just because these things are true of you that you can live in sin and not face God's wrath and being excluded from the Promised Land (a type and shadow of abiding in Christ).
