My point was not that "you must agree", but that you ought to have answered those answers already supplied, and not have brought the same point that had already been answered, as if it had not already been answered.
It does not matter,
If your point is wrong. It is wrong..
No,
Paul teaches that the Law is a type and shadow of things to come--the "things to come" is the substance and reality of Christ, and the "type and shadow" was what occurred back then. They were saved in "type" by the blood of lambs, and we are saved "in substance" by the blood of Christ. Those lambs were "passover lambs", Christ is "our Passover Lamb".
Your right, it was a type.
The law showed we could not be good enough (cursed is the one who does not obey every word) and showed how remission of sin would occur (blood of an innocent on day of atonement) Jesus said he died once. He is not going to die again for sins he forgot to die for..
Paul's point is the Church, the saved, are to learn from others who have been "saved".
Not sure I agree in point. But we should always learn from those more mature than us
Again, Christ is our Passover Lamb, so, the saving blood of Christ corresponds to the blood of the lambs that saved them from the Death Angel whereby the power of Egypt was destroyed and openly humiliated.
lol.. THEY NEVER SHOWED PROOF OF REPENTANCE>
But hey, If you want to claim a person who is saved and continues from that point forward in unbelief and loving their sin was saved.
I guess that just goes to prove a point
The blood of the lambs was not the promise of the land, so, no, the promise of entering the land does not correspond with being saved from Egypt, the House of Bondage.
No. the rest in the promised land was purchased by the blood of the lamb.
The point of Hebrews is that people "need endurance", because "My Righteous one will live by faith but if he shrinks back My soul has no pleasure in My righteous one"--not that "so and so never had faith", but "you had faith, so, continue in faith and in works of faith."
People do not just stop trusting people unless those people become or prove thjemselves to be untrustworthy.
Wow, I didn't know the writer of Hebrews was a heretic! LOL!
Its not the writer. It is you
Or... maybe you are the one who is erring.
I'll go with you are erring instead of thinking the writer of Hebrews is erring.
Hebrews is not erring.
The one who thinks people who never had faith and never repented are saved is the one in error
1. Yep, He cleansed us. I never denied that.
He did nto just cleanse us, He made us white as snow. and sealed us with his spirit.
2. Already addressed this issue of Jews "not being saved" back then many times.
And you were wrong every time
1. I was thorough in my response to you, but you are not thorough in your responses to me. I can't make you be thorough.
lol. I am not thorough. Dude give me a break.. I have been just as thorough as you are..
2. According to you, then--if "they are new creatures and they don't live as they did before (in sin), because they are changed"--there is no need for rebuke, because Christians don't sin.
No one said christians do not sin, Moses sinned
There is a huge difference between LIVING IN SIN, and not being perfect.
Paul was in error to write 1 Corinthians, then, because they didn't need to repent of their boasting. ALL of the times Christians are rebuked and reproved in the NT (Revelation 2 and 3 come to mind) are meaningless, because they don't sin! 1 Corinthians 10, also, has no purpose, since he's warning them against sinning (and warns them as to the outcome of those who "go on sinning").
Yes, Christians are rebuked and corrected.
It does not mean they lose salvation.. We can;t sin ourself out of grace. because we can't obey ourselves into grace.
Grace is unmerited for a reason
Paul draws the parallel, not me.
No. Your drawing the wrong conclusion
The Gospel is that Christ saved us from our sins, and that we are to live before Him, not "wickedly depart from my God", as is taught in Romans 14, in 1 Jn 2:28, 3:23,24, 5:21, etc, etc,.
No argument here
But he saved us,, He is not in the process of saving us, Salvation is a completed action.
Not by works of righteousness but by his mercy HE SAVED US
As I said to marks, you need to define "gift" as the Bible does, not as you prefer:
I gift can not be earned
A gift can not be purchased
A gift can not be unearned.
You need to learn what a gift is.. not me my friend
when God "gave" the land to the Jews, they were to "take the land" by conquest, just as Paul says "Fight the fight of faith. LAY HOLD on the [gift if] eternal life to which you were called." If "faith" were "one and done", and not a lifestyle , then there would be no need to describe faith as a "race" or as a "fight", which connote an issue of "length of time" which require "endurance" (as Heb 10 says). Yes, eternal life is a gift, and it is by faith, but it is not "one and done"--Romans 14:23 says anything a believer does that is not from faith is sin, and they are condemned, not justified, so that believer is risking his eternal life by not remaining in faith.
God gave it to them, David understood this..
Those who had faith allowed God to work through them, God already gave the victory
But you still think you can be good enough. You have not even been taught by the law. let alone the word of God
