DOES NO ONE WANT TO BE CORRECTED?

[Lambano]

As for how one would know...His sheep hear His voice.

What I'm saying (and what I think others are saying) is, "I don't hear His voice in this at all".

Now, it wouldn't be the first time I was hard of hearing....

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Wow, you really have it all wrong!

I did not say or suggest that I am "beyond reproach", but rather that He who has sent me is beyond reproach.

Nor do I "want people to accept me"--I'm a no body. But I have presented what ought to be accepted, for it is from God.

As for accusing--I have "accused" no one, but have directed what is true with God to a few who have a need to know.

The very title of your op is accusing.

And what abvout others who got these mystic revelations and say they came from god and disagree with you?

Once again why should we pay attention to any of your mystic reinterpretations of Scripture anymore than others who have come and gone and are now?

 

[ScottA]

What I'm saying (and what I think others are saying) is, "I don't hear His voice in this at all".

Now, it wouldn't be the first time I was hard of hearing....

I certainly am aware of what many are saying.

But how is it that so many (and you perhaps) have not heard the scriptural warnings and the promises that what I have been saying align with (and have quoted numerous times)--but have heard and believe and acknowledge only those parts of scripture that agree with what has been taught, and disregard the warnings, only to kick them down the road ahead to a time not biblically stated?

I know why--but still, all is written, but all is not heard, believed, or acknowledged.

 

[GodsGrace]

Apparently not. Things are looking a whole lot like the time of Jesus' first coming, when the Priests, Leaders, and Pharisees thought they were beyond reproach. And when Jesus went about correcting them, the established leaders rejected Him.

Then came the times of the church and of "the spirit of anti-Christ already at work" during those early days when Jesus had "somewhat against" 5 out of the 7 churches mentioned in Revelation; Peter foretold of "false teachers" bringing "destructive doctrines" into the church; and Paul foretold the believing of a "lie" causing "strong delusion" and great apostacy. And yet few if any seem to have taken it to heart--that corrections would need to come, or the church would be found apostate.

And worse, most seem determined to defend those foretold realities of false doctrines on a grand scale, to the death.

It is absolutely crazy that there is such a disregard for the warnings--when they too are written and true!

Great thread Scott.
I'm encountering some "Christians" on this here forum (and others) that don't even believe Jesus is God.
Should we let that go and move on to other stuff?

So do YOU have all the truth?

And HOW do you think we could possibly come to know the truth?
Surely Jesus left us a way so that the ravenous wolves would not devour us.

 

[GodsGrace]

Perhaps I have beaten around the bush--but no, I have openly stated that what I am bringing to the table--it is given to be by God. Which to some sounds like arrogance...and that is why I have seemingly skirted around the issue of authority. A good question for everyone to ask, is: How would YOU (meaning all) go about speaking of the things given to you by God?--and I don't mean warm and fussy things--I was caught up to the third heaven in the presence of God.

As for who is authorized: only those sent by God--as this is His way.

As for how one would know...His sheep hear His voice. This is the order of the day. Which, unfortunately has a "broad way" and a "narrow way" of being defined, and many are those who go in by the broad way.

Whoa!
You hear from God?
I do believe that's known as a PERSONAL REVELATION and not even to be repeated to others.

Here are some others that had PERSONAL REVELATION:

MUHAMMAD
JOHN RUSSELL
JOHN CALVIN AND OTHERS
JOSEPH SMITH
And every other heretical person that destroyed the teachings of Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

Who is authorized to give correction? How would we know?

Who speaks for God?

The reason I asked that question (which nobody picked up on): A book I am reading makes point that Peter in the book of Acts and later Paul were authorized by the Holy Spirit to CORRECT THE BIBLE and make circumcision, sabbath observance, and the kosher dietary laws optional for God's people. The author of Hebrews expanded this into completely obsoleting the covenant made between God and His people and replacing it with a vaguely defined "New Covenant". The concept of God issuing a course-correction on the Bible didn't go over well in the first century, and it wouldn't go over well today.

Who is this guy who's correcting us? Who is he to change our understanding of the eternal word of God? If the Holy Spirit spoke corrective words that corrected the written text, most of us would flat out reject it (and stone the messenger). As was done in Peter and Paul's ministry. It's the same old prophet problem going back to OT times - who is authorized to speak for God? How would we know?

@St. SteVen Tag; you're "it".

Well, you never asked ME this question.

 

[ScottA]

The very title of your op is accusing.

And what abvout others who got these mystic revelations and say they came from god and disagree with you?

Once again why should we pay attention to any of your mystic reinterpretations of Scripture anymore than others who have come and gone and are now?

No, the title is not "accusing"--it is stating a fact, and a need stated in the warnings of scripture.

The mystics ought to and likely do disagree with me--for they are against God. I am not. But seriously--you are have a major problem with what is the actual method established by God for revelations...which is a statement in itself regarding you rather than me.

If you see what I have stated in accord with scripture, foretold to be revealed during these times...as "mystic"--walk away. There is no need for you to trouble yourself. But unless you yourself know--not by translation, but directly from God--that what I have said is not the truth...you have no business making accusations.

 

[ScottA]

Great thread Scott.
I'm encountering some "Christians" on this here forum (and others) that don't even believe Jesus is God.
Should we let that go and move on to other stuff?

So do YOU have all the truth?

And HOW do you think we could possibly come to know the truth?
Surely Jesus left us a way so that the ravenous wolves would not devour us.

Good questions!

As for me having "all the truth", I have only what is given to me. Which I know to be limited, yet very much pertaining to these times and the finish of "the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets." What was before restrained and sealed according to Daniel, Paul, and John, are no longer restrained, but now revealed, as it is written. My part was spoken of by both Paul and John, and regards "time no longer" and the revealing of "all truth" promised by Christ before the sounding of the seventh angel. Which, even so, is a particularly short leash.

As for so-called "Christians" not believing in God--it is written: "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

As for how to come to know the truth: Imagine living in the time just before Jesus came claiming that the kingdom of God had come upon Israel. Likewise, these are similar time of the gentiles. And unfortunately, we as a group are making all the same mistakes and assumptions. In other words, if you were one of those overcome and immersed in the errors of Israel--what would you do over again, if given the chance? History now repeats, and that second chance is now ours.

Keep focused on Jesus, and fear not the wolves.

 

[ScottA]

Whoa!
You hear from God?
I do believe that's known as a PERSONAL REVELATION and not even to be repeated to others.

Here are some others that had PERSONAL REVELATION:

MUHAMMAD
JOHN RUSSELL
JOHN CALVIN AND OTHERS
JOSEPH SMITH
And every other heretical person that destroyed the teachings of Jesus.

Don't misunderstand, personally hearing from God is biblical.

As for "personal revelation", surely those who have defined the term do not even know that revelation is indeed personal. For example, in the case of Peter--the twelve did not hear, but he alone (personally) heard from the Father that Jesus was the Christ. Likewise, this is the established method of revelation to His servants the prophets.

Perhaps you mean that "no scripture is of any private interpretation." Which, does not mean that those legitimately sent from God are personally interpreting scripture--for the interpretation is not them speaking, but is the Holy Spirit speaking, Of which, indeed, there are many who are not legitimate and do so falsely.

 

[Ezra]

I am being accused

not accosting you of anything read your post maybe if you explained your position better for me you asking double questions

 

[GodsGrace]

Good questions!

As for me having "all the truth", I have only what is given to me. Which I know to be limited, yet very much pertaining to these times and the finish of "the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets." What was before restrained and sealed according to Daniel, Paul, and John, are no longer restrained, but now revealed, as it is written. My part was spoken of by both Paul and John, and regards "time no longer" and the revealing of "all truth" promised by Christ before the sounding of the seventh angel. Which, even so, is a particularly short leash.

As for so-called "Christians" not believing in God--it is written: "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Here's my dilemma Scott:
I have no idea what your truth is....I don't have a lot of time to watch many videos and, as I've said before to you, I wish you would just state your case...but OK.
I WOULD like to understand what this TIME NO LONGER is and the REVEALING OF ALL TRUTH.
Don't we have all the truth?

And what to do about these people who call themselves Christian but don't believe Jesus is God?
It's so easy for you to accept this?
HOW can a person call themselves CHRISTian if they don't even believe Jesus is God???
So, just let it go? Even though we were told this would happen?
The early church eradicated the heretics...
why can't we?

As for how to come to know the truth: Imagine living in the time just before Jesus came claiming that the kingdom of God had come upon Israel. Likewise, these are similar time of the gentiles. And unfortunately, we as a group are making all the same mistakes and assumptions. In other words, if you were one of those overcome and immersed in the errors of Israel--what would you do over again, if given the chance? History now repeats, and that second chance is now ours.

Keep focused on Jesus, and fear not the wolves.

Explain better WHAT HISTORY is repeating?
A person that is immersed in error is not aware of this.
How would I have known I was in error in your scenario?

 

[GodsGrace]

Don't misunderstand, personally hearing from God is biblical.

Right. But it's for ME...it's personal.
It's not supposed to be used for teaching.

As for "personal revelation", surely those who have defined the term do not even know that revelation is indeed personal. For example, in the case of Peter--the twelve did not hear, but he alone (personally) heard from the Father that Jesus was the Christ.

Nobody I know got knocked down from a horse and spoke to Jesus.
We have to be careful about this.
Can't remember if I posted a list of some men that heard from God...it includes Muhammad.

Paul did not have what most mean by Personal Revelation -- a word from God that is VERY personal -- specific to a person.
He went to the Apostles and made sure they agreed with him and if there was a question, they discussed it and matched it to what Jesus taught OR what they thought would be best for the new church.

Likewise, this is the established method of revelation to His servants the prophets.

Perhaps you mean that "no scripture is of any private interpretation." Which, does not mean that those legitimately sent from God are personally interpreting scripture--for the interpretation is not them speaking, but is the Holy Spirit speaking, Of which, indeed, there are many who are not legitimate and do so falsely.

NO SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION 1 Peter is saying exactly what I've stated.
We cannot privately interpret scripture to our own liking.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, the title is not "accusing"--it is stating a fact, and a need stated in the warnings of scripture.

The mystics ought to and likely do disagree with me--for they are against God. I am not. But seriously--you are have a major problem with what is the actual method established by God for revelations...which is a statement in itself regarding you rather than me.

If you see what I have stated in accord with scripture, foretold to be revealed during these times...as "mystic"--walk away. There is no need for you to trouble yourself. But unless you yourself know--not by translation, but directly from God--that what I have said is not the truth...you have no business making accusations.

Well I know that any "revelation" if it requires to alter Scripture or allegorize plain Scripture is not from God.

So the Word of God as passed down is not valid enough for you anymore?

 

[ScottA]

Here's my dilemma Scott:
I have no idea what your truth is....I don't have a lot of time to watch many videos and, as I've said before to you, I wish you would just state your case...but OK.
I WOULD like to understand what this TIME NO LONGER is and the REVEALING OF ALL TRUTH.
Don't we have all the truth?

And what to do about these people who call themselves Christian but don't believe Jesus is God?
It's so easy for you to accept this?
HOW can a person call themselves CHRISTian if they don't even believe Jesus is God???
So, just let it go? Even though we were told this would happen?
The early church eradicated the heretics...
why can't we?


Explain better WHAT HISTORY is repeating?
A person that is immersed in error is not aware of this.
How would I have known I was in error in your scenario?

I have stated my case. But understand that it is the subject of many books.

For and look at "time no longer", read Revelation 10:1-7...(some translation refer to it as "delay" no longer).

For a look at Jesus' promise to have the Holy Spirit lead us into "all truth" read, John 16:1-15. But no, we do not have all truth, for it was only to come "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" under restraint until just before the end of time when the before sealed contents of the "little book" mentioned in Revelation 10 would be revealed, finishing "the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets."

As for those who call themselves Christian but don't believe Jesus is God, I gave you Revelation 22:11. But no, it is not easy to accept, and my heart goes out to those who have been deceived. It is the leaders and teachers of false doctrine, however, who will suffer for it most...which false doctrines began in the early church, as they were allowed by God until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. Of which time is now upon us.

As for history repeating, by the sin nature and falling away since Adam, even Israel as a chosen people continually fell from God's grace and veered of the path of His guidance into sin and anti-God ways. By that same sin nature and falling away, we the gentile nations having taken up the mantle of Christ, have done likewise and worse--for we also had the witness of the coming of Christ. Israel's walk was physical and in the flesh, but after Christ and the kingdom of God coming upon us (as He said) and His further instructions past down to us of our need to be born again of the spirit of God--our walk was not to be in the flesh only, but more importantly, in the spirit. As it is written, "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1). Understand that just as Moses had set before Israel "life and death, blessing and cursing", Jesus also did the same before the church. It occurred when He ask Peter "Who do you say I am?" After Peter answered that Jesus was the Christ, Jesus explained that His church would be built upon the means by which He told Peter he did and did not receive the answer. Which was from our Father in Heaven--the Rock of ages. The church then began to build according to the Spirit, but then shortly thereafter "false teachers" entered in to the church as foretold by Peter, bringing in destructive doctrines--still commonly taught in most churches to this day. Those false doctrines were exactly what Jesus said was not how He would build His church--which was to follow men of "flesh and blood" rather than the leading of the Spirit...which was to the church, a choice of life or death...and they chose death, and still do.

If I write any more, I will be rewriting books already written.

 

[ScottA]

Right. But it's for ME...it's personal.
It's not supposed to be used for teaching.

To all it is indeed personal, but to some it is given to teach, to preach, and some to prophesy.

 

[ScottA]

Nobody I know got knocked down from a horse and spoke to Jesus.
We have to be careful about this.
Can't remember if I posted a list of some men that heard from God...it includes Muhammad.

Paul did not have what most mean by Personal Revelation -- a word from God that is VERY personal -- specific to a person.
He went to the Apostles and made sure they agreed with him and if there was a question, they discussed it and matched it to what Jesus taught OR what they thought would be best for the new church.

That is a reasonable conclusion to think among men/people, but not correct with God. For He first sent the prophets without peer consensus--and what of John, did John discuss Revelation with the other apostles? No.

To the contrary, the early church met and included in their consensus "false teachers" and their "destructive doctrines."

 

[ScottA]

NO SCRIPTURE IS OF ANY PRIVATE INTERPRETATION 1 Peter is saying exactly what I've stated.
We cannot privately interpret scripture to our own liking.

Yes, and I have also explained what it is not--which is not my interpretation, but His who speaks in me.

 

[ScottA]

Well I know that any "revelation" if it requires to alter Scripture or allegorize plain Scripture is not from God.

So the Word of God as passed down is not valid enough for you anymore?

I have already been too kind to you--but your first statement there above is not correct. You repeat the woe of the lawyers of Jesus' time, of taking "away the key of knowledge." Your stated position does not allow for hearing "what the Spirit says", or what "must be spiritually discerned." Why should I keep correcting you when you speak against what is written and of Christ?

As for the word of God passed down--it is ever valid, as it has always been. But only One translation is correct, which is of the Spirit.

 

[GodsGrace]

I have stated my case. But understand that it is the subject of many books.

For and look at "time no longer", read Revelation 10:1-7...(some translation refer to it as "delay" no longer).

For a look at Jesus' promise to have the Holy Spirit lead us into "all truth" read, John 16:1-15.

I accept that 98% of the NT is for all of us,,,,but some of it is not.
John 16 and 17 is Jesus speaking to His Apostles.
Note John 15:27 Jesus states that "YOU HAVE BEEN WITH ME FROM THE BEGINNING".

The Holy Spirit in us helps us to understand scripture since it is spiritually discerend (1 cor 2:15),,,
but I don't believe Jesus meant that we read something and come up with our own private interpretation.

But no, we do not have all truth, for it was only to come "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" under restraint until just before the end of time when the before sealed contents of the "little book" mentioned in Revelation 10 would be revealed, finishing "the mystery of God as He declared to His servants the prophets."

Not sure what you mean by the MYSTERY OF GOD.
Is it the mystery that has been revealed to us that Paul speaks of?
This would be the dividing wall between Jews and Gentiles being broken down, no?

As for those who call themselves Christian but don't believe Jesus is God, I gave you Revelation 22:11. But no, it is not easy to accept, and my heart goes out to those who have been deceived. It is the leaders and teachers of false doctrine, however, who will suffer for it most...

Agreed. James 3:1 (do not let many of you become teachers for the judgment will be harsher-----my words).

which false doctrines began in the early church, as they were allowed by God until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. Of which time is now upon us.

But the heretical doctrines in the early church were eradicated by the church.
I don't see that happening these days.
There really isn't A CHURCH anymore....if someone believes something differently
they just go and begin their own church. This is why there are so many denominations.

As for history repeating, by the sin nature and falling away since Adam, even Israel as a chosen people continually fell from God's grace and veered of the path of His guidance into sin and anti-God ways. By that same sin nature and falling away, we the gentile nations having taken up the mantle of Christ, have done likewise and worse--for we also had the witness of the coming of Christ. Israel's walk was physical and in the flesh, but after Christ and the kingdom of God coming upon us (as He said) and His further instructions past down to us of our need to be born again of the spirit of God--our walk was not to be in the flesh only, but more importantly, in the spirit.

Good. Agreed.

As it is written, "There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1). Understand that just as Moses had set before Israel "life and death, blessing and cursing",

I'd part here,,,,maybe,,,,but don't wish to derail.
I'll just say that Jesus is still giving a choice as Joshua spoke of, for instance...but let's move on. (or in the Mosaic Covenant).

Jesus also did the same before the church. It occurred when He ask Peter "Who do you say I am?" After Peter answered that Jesus was the Christ, Jesus explained that His church would be built upon the means by which He told Peter he did and did not receive the answer. Which was from our Father in Heaven--the Rock of ages. The church then began to build according to the Spirit, but then shortly thereafter "false teachers" entered in to the church as foretold by Peter, bringing in destructive doctrines--still commonly taught in most churches to this day.

When is SHORTLY THEREAFTER? When did the church begin to accept false doctrine?
The church fought heresies from the beginning and wiped them out or we wouldn't be here today.
However, these SAME heresies are in circulation today and no church is doing anything about it.
In fact, some churches are FEEDING the heresies.

Those false doctrines were exactly what Jesus said was not how He would build His church--which was to follow men of "flesh and blood" rather than the leading of the Spirit...which was to the church, a choice of life or death...and they chose death, and still do.

But churches ARE made up of men of flesh and blood.
It's those that want to retain the original church that should be speaking out against those that
are attempting to destroy Jesus' church.

If I write any more, I will be rewriting books already written.

That's what discussion is all about!

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes, and I have also explained what it is not--which is not my interpretation, but His who speaks in me.

Scot....
I'm sure you've been told this before:

THERE AIN'T NO NEW REVELATION.

Revelation ended with the book of Revelation.

There might be some new UNDERSTANDING....
but God is NOT giving us anything NEW.

Here are some guys that received new revelation:

MUHAMMAD
JOHN SMITH
CHARLES RUSSELL
HELEN WHITE

and others that began their own cult sects that are NOT Christian.
Christianity has already been around for 2 thousand years and its tenets will not be changing.