When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

[covenantee]

The Judean Christians fleeing to the mountains are future unfulfilled

Tell them that.

Then tell us what they tell you.

 

[Truth7t7]

Why are you ignoring those Scriptures?

Crickets!

Was the generation of the Apostles the generation that witnessed the day and hour no man knows, were they the generation who witnessed all things fulfilled in Matthew Chapter 24?

"Absolutely Not" it's a future generation that will witness the day and hour no man knows in the future literal second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Will you now break out your preterist symbolic magical wand and start waving it, waiting?

Matthew 24:33-36KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[covenantee]

Crickets!

Was the generation of the Apostles the generation that witnessed the day and hour no man knows, were they the generation who witnessed all things fulfilled in Matthew Chapter 24?

"Absolutely Not" it's a future generation that will witness the day and hour no man knows in the future literal second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Will you now break out your preterist symbolic magical wand and start waving it, waiting?

Matthew 24:33-36KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Come back when you've got something.

 

[Truth7t7]

Come back when you've got something.

Crickets!

Was the generation of the Apostles the generation that witnessed the day and hour no man knows, were they the generation who witnessed all things fulfilled in Matthew Chapter 24?

"Absolutely Not" it's a future generation that will witness the day and hour no man knows in the future literal second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Will you now break out your preterist symbolic magical wand and start waving it, waiting?

Matthew 24:33-36KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

 

[covenantee]

Crickets!

Was the generation of the Apostles the generation that witnessed the day and hour no man knows, were they the generation who witnessed all things fulfilled in Matthew Chapter 24?

"Absolutely Not" it's a future generation that will witness the day and hour no man knows in the future literal second coming of Jesus in the heavens

Will you now break out your preterist symbolic magical wand and start waving it, waiting?

Matthew 24:33-36KJV
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Posts 343, 363.

You're afraid of them.

 

[Davy]

When Christ died and rose? Or in 70 AD when it was fully destroyed? There can only be one answer here.

Why this matters is because of what Matthew 24:15, for one, records.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

If the holy place in this verse is meaning the 2nd temple, that obviously, thus undeniably, means that the 2nd temple did not cease to be the holy place when Christ died and rose, it continued to be the holy place up until it ws destroyed. Which then means since animal sacrificing continued even after Christ died and rose, that because some are interpreting the holy place to be meaning the 2nd temple, their interpretation implies that God was ok with animal sacrificing still continuing, because, after all, per their interpretation, the 2nd temple was the still the holy place until it was destroyed.
....

All one need do is recognize what timeline Jesus was giving His Olivet discourse SIGNS for, in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. A bit of knowledge about the 70 A.D. destruction of the temple by the general Titus of the Roman army also helps.

Those SIGNS He gave are for the 'end' of this world, as they parallel the events of the Seals of Revelation 6. And the SEALS are about events for the very end just prior to Christ's future return. So really, figuring this out should be easy, for those who keep His Word that is.

The SIGN of not one stone atop another is actually a DUEL TIMELINE PROPHECY. That's why Christ's disciples right after that sign they then asked Him in Matthew 24:3 when those things would be, and what would be the SIGN of His future coming. Then Jesus continued with the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return.


1. The Matthew 24:15 verse is Jesus quoting from Daniel 11:31 about the placing of the "abomination that maketh desolate", meaning an IDOL abomination placed at the temple in Jerusalem.

2. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem, the Roman general Titus by his army took Jerusalem and destroyed the 2nd temple and the city. This partially fulfilled the not one stone atop another prophecy for the Temple Mount complex of buildings. However, not ALL... the stones were destroyed there, as the Western Wall of the old temple complex still is standing today at the Temple Mount; the Jews pray at it and call it the Wailing Wall. Also, the stones of Islam's Dome of the Rock structure stands on today's Temple Mount.

3. The Romans in 70 A.D. never placed the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at that temple, because per the Jewish historian Josephus, the temple caught fire from inside, and burned down before the Romans could get possession of it. Thus the Matthew 24:15 sign was NOT fulfilled in 70 A.D.

4. The Matthew 24:15 event of the "abomination of desolation", is about the placing of an IDOL at the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem. That is where that "holy place" Jesus mentions is located. It is the event that kicks off the time of the future "great tribulation," as Jesus linked that directly to it.

5. Because Jesus linked the future time of "great tribulation" with SEEING that "abomination of desolation" in the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem, at the "holy place", that automatically means there MUST be another stone temple built by the Jews in Jerusalem for the end.

'Temple in Waiting' Prepared in Jerusalem

The Temple Mount In Jerusalem Is One Of The Most Sacred Places On Earth, And One Of The Most Contested.

cbn.com

 

[David in NJ]

To be completely literally true to Scripture, a futurized re-fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse necessitates a complete literal identical re-creation and re-incarnation of everything and everyone described in the associated passages in Matthew, Mark, and Luke.

Anything else is presumption, conjecture, and speculation qualifying only as private interpretation.

Since when does God require our permission to how He incorporates and fulfills His prophecies.

"with man this is impossible but with God all things are possible"

 

[Truth7t7]

All one need do is recognize what timeline Jesus was giving His Olivet discourse SIGNS for, in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. A bit of knowledge about the 70 A.D. destruction of the temple by the general Titus of the Roman army also helps.

Those SIGNS He gave are for the 'end' of this world, as they parallel the events of the Seals of Revelation 6. And the SEALS are about events for the very end just prior to Christ's future return. So really, figuring this out should be easy, for those who keep His Word that is.

The SIGN of not one stone atop another is actually a DUEL TIMELINE PROPHECY. That's why Christ's disciples right after that sign they then asked Him in Matthew 24:3 when those things would be, and what would be the SIGN of His future coming. Then Jesus continued with the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return.


1. The Matthew 24:15 verse is Jesus quoting from Daniel 11:31 about the placing of the "abomination that maketh desolate", meaning an IDOL abomination placed at the temple in Jerusalem.

2. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem, the Roman general Titus by his army took Jerusalem and destroyed the 2nd temple and the city. This partially fulfilled the not one stone atop another prophecy for the Temple Mount complex of buildings. However, not ALL... the stones were destroyed there, as the Western Wall of the old temple complex still is standing today at the Temple Mount; the Jews pray at it and call it the Wailing Wall. Also, the stones of Islam's Dome of the Rock structure stands on today's Temple Mount.

3. The Romans in 70 A.D. never placed the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at that temple, because per the Jewish historian Josephus, the temple caught fire from inside, and burned down before the Romans could get possession of it. Thus the Matthew 24:15 sign was NOT fulfilled in 70 A.D.

4. The Matthew 24:15 event of the "abomination of desolation", is about the placing of an IDOL at the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem. That is where that "holy place" Jesus mentions is located. It is the event that kicks off the time of the future "great tribulation," as Jesus linked that directly to it.

5. Because Jesus linked the future time of "great tribulation" with SEEING that "abomination of desolation" in the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem, at the "holy place", that automatically means there MUST be another stone temple built by the Jews in Jerusalem for the end.

'Temple in Waiting' Prepared in Jerusalem

The Temple Mount In Jerusalem Is One Of The Most Sacred Places On Earth, And One Of The Most Contested.

cbn.com

No such thing as a dual prophecy fulfillment, it's more like fake it till ya make it

 

[covenantee]

Since when does God require our permission to how He incorporates and fulfills His prophecies.

"with man this is impossible but with God all things are possible"

In the absence of contrary evidence in a dual fulfillment scenario, I would expect His future revelation to be consistent with His past revelation.

 

[David in NJ]

In the absence of contrary evidence in a dual fulfillment scenario, I would expect His future revelation to be consistent with His past revelation.

I would expect His future revelation to be consistent with His past revelation.

It is = He said so!!!

In the absence of contrary evidence in a dual fulfillment scenario

Plenty of evidence for 'dual fulfillment' in Scripture.

As a matter of fact, the Jewish nation missed out on their Messiah because they did not recognize dual fulfillment prophecy.

 

[Truth7t7]

Plenty of evidence for 'dual fulfillment' in Scripture.

As a matter of fact, the Jewish nation missed out on their Messiah because they did not recognize dual fulfillment prophecy.

Dual prophecy fulfillment is living in the minds and imagination's of those who believe and teach it, because it's found no place in scripture

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your claim that the events of Jews being led captive into all nations and the time of the gentiles taking place "After" the tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 is 100% "False"

No, it isn't and you're doing absolutely nothing to show otherwise.

What do you think, that Jesus will come while they are being taken away captive to all nations before they even arrive on those other nations? Spell this out for me on what your understanding of that is and how long it takes. What is the point of them being taken captive into all nations if they are destroyed while being brought to those other nations or are destroyed shortly after arriving there?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is = He said so!!!


Plenty of evidence for 'dual fulfillment' in Scripture.

As a matter of fact, the Jewish nation missed out on their Messiah because they did not recognize dual fulfillment prophecy.

So, give another example or two of prophecies that you think have a dual fulfillment?

Why can't we just claim that all prophecies that aren't clearly shown to be fulfilled once have a dual fulfillment? Can't you see that allowing for dual fulfillment makes it so that you can make scripture say almost anything you want it to say? No one can refute your understanding of any prophecy because if it's shown to have been fulfilled, you'll just say it will be fulfilled again.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Judean Christians fleeing to the mountains are future unfulfilled

Why would they need to flee to the mountains in this day and age? Couldn't they just get in their cars and drive away or take a flight out of there instead? What exactly do you think they will be fleeing from?

 

[David in NJ]

Dual prophecy fulfillment is living in the minds and imagination's of those who believe and teach it, because it's found no place in scripture

Dual Prophecy is God's Design and is Found in the Holy Scriptures

God is a lot smarter then we can think.........!!!

Shalom

 

[David in NJ]

So, give another example or two of prophecies that you think have a dual fulfillment?

Why can't we just claim that all prophecies that aren't clearly shown to be fulfilled once have a dual fulfillment? Can't you see that allowing for dual fulfillment makes it so that you can make scripture say almost anything you want it to say? No one can refute your understanding of any prophecy because if it's shown to have been fulfilled, you'll just say it will be fulfilled again.

Question for you and @covenantee and @Truth7t7

Jerusalem = How many are spoken of in the Scriptures?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Crickets!

The same sound he's hearing in response to his posts 343 and 363. Don't be a hypocrite.

All one need do is recognize what timeline Jesus was giving His Olivet discourse SIGNS for, in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. A bit of knowledge about the 70 A.D. destruction of the temple by the general Titus of the Roman army also helps.

Those SIGNS He gave are for the 'end' of this world, as they parallel the events of the Seals of Revelation 6. And the SEALS are about events for the very end just prior to Christ's future return. So really, figuring this out should be easy, for those who keep His Word that is.

The SIGN of not one stone atop another is actually a DUEL TIMELINE PROPHECY. That's why Christ's disciples right after that sign they then asked Him in Matthew 24:3 when those things would be, and what would be the SIGN of His future coming. Then Jesus continued with the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return.


1. The Matthew 24:15 verse is Jesus quoting from Daniel 11:31 about the placing of the "abomination that maketh desolate", meaning an IDOL abomination placed at the temple in Jerusalem.

2. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem, the Roman general Titus by his army took Jerusalem and destroyed the 2nd temple and the city. This partially fulfilled the not one stone atop another prophecy for the Temple Mount complex of buildings. However, not ALL... the stones were destroyed there, as the Western Wall of the old temple complex still is standing today at the Temple Mount; the Jews pray at it and call it the Wailing Wall. Also, the stones of Islam's Dome of the Rock structure stands on today's Temple Mount.

3. The Romans in 70 A.D. never placed the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at that temple, because per the Jewish historian Josephus, the temple caught fire from inside, and burned down before the Romans could get possession of it. Thus the Matthew 24:15 sign was NOT fulfilled in 70 A.D.

4. The Matthew 24:15 event of the "abomination of desolation", is about the placing of an IDOL at the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem. That is where that "holy place" Jesus mentions is located. It is the event that kicks off the time of the future "great tribulation," as Jesus linked that directly to it.

5. Because Jesus linked the future time of "great tribulation" with SEEING that "abomination of desolation" in the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem, at the "holy place", that automatically means there MUST be another stone temple built by the Jews in Jerusalem for the end.

'Temple in Waiting' Prepared in Jerusalem

The Temple Mount In Jerusalem Is One Of The Most Sacred Places On Earth, And One Of The Most Contested.

cbn.com

All one need do is recognize what timeline Jesus was giving His Olivet discourse SIGNS for, in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. A bit of knowledge about the 70 A.D. destruction of the temple by the general Titus of the Roman army also helps.

Those SIGNS He gave are for the 'end' of this world, as they parallel the events of the Seals of Revelation 6. And the SEALS are about events for the very end just prior to Christ's future return. So really, figuring this out should be easy, for those who keep His Word that is.

The SIGN of not one stone atop another is actually a DUEL TIMELINE PROPHECY. That's why Christ's disciples right after that sign they then asked Him in Matthew 24:3 when those things would be, and what would be the SIGN of His future coming. Then Jesus continued with the SIGNS of the end leading up to His future return.


1. The Matthew 24:15 verse is Jesus quoting from Daniel 11:31 about the placing of the "abomination that maketh desolate", meaning an IDOL abomination placed at the temple in Jerusalem.

2. In 70 A.D. Jerusalem, the Roman general Titus by his army took Jerusalem and destroyed the 2nd temple and the city. This partially fulfilled the not one stone atop another prophecy for the Temple Mount complex of buildings. However, not ALL... the stones were destroyed there, as the Western Wall of the old temple complex still is standing today at the Temple Mount; the Jews pray at it and call it the Wailing Wall. Also, the stones of Islam's Dome of the Rock structure stands on today's Temple Mount.

3. The Romans in 70 A.D. never placed the "abomination of desolation" IDOL at that temple, because per the Jewish historian Josephus, the temple caught fire from inside, and burned down before the Romans could get possession of it. Thus the Matthew 24:15 sign was NOT fulfilled in 70 A.D.

4. The Matthew 24:15 event of the "abomination of desolation", is about the placing of an IDOL at the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem. That is where that "holy place" Jesus mentions is located. It is the event that kicks off the time of the future "great tribulation," as Jesus linked that directly to it.

5. Because Jesus linked the future time of "great tribulation" with SEEING that "abomination of desolation" in the Jew's stone temple in Jerusalem, at the "holy place", that automatically means there MUST be another stone temple built by the Jews in Jerusalem for the end.

'Temple in Waiting' Prepared in Jerusalem

The Temple Mount In Jerusalem Is One Of The Most Sacred Places On Earth, And One Of The Most Contested.

cbn.com

People resort to claiming dual fulfillment whenever their original understanding of the fulfillment of the prophecy is refuted because they just can't let go of their original belief. Since you interpret most prophecy as having a future fulfillment, I don't doubt that you originally thought that there was only a future fulfillment of Matthew 24:15, but then you were shown a past fulfillment that you couldn't deny. Instead of admitting you were wrong, you resorted to this dual fulfillment nonsense.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Question for you and @covenantee and @Truth7t7

Jerusalem = How many are spoken of in the Scriptures?

Two. Earthly Jerusalem and the new heavenly Jerusalem. Why do you ask? Can you please just get to the point?

I asked you to give another example or two of prophecies that you think have a dual fulfillment. I think that's a reasonable request. So, can you do that, please?

Can you point to any scripture which speaks of the existence of the concept of the dual fulfillment of prophecy?

 

[Truth7t7]

No, it isn't and you're doing absolutely nothing to show otherwise.

What do you think, that Jesus will come while they are being taken away captive to all nations before they even arrive on those other nations? Spell this out for me on what your understanding of that is and how long it takes. What is the point of them being taken captive into all nations if they are destroyed while being brought to those other nations or are destroyed shortly after arriving there?

The Day Of The Lord Takes Place "Immediately After The Tribulation" Before Your Eyes, As Your In Denial Of Biblical Truth Presented, Claiming Jews Will Be Led Captive Into Nations "After" The Tribulation Of Matthew 24:21 100% "False" As The Scripture Below Clearly Proves

Jesus returns "Immediately" after the tribulation seen in Matthew 24:21 in final judgement (The End) also seen in Revelation 6:12-17 below (The Day Of The Lord) The End

Does Matthew 24:29 Below Show The Sun Darkened And Moon Not Giving Light, Stars Falling From Heaven "Immediately After The Tribulation" (100% Yes!)

Is The Exact Same Events Seen In Revelation 6:12-17 (100% Yes!)

Is The Day Of The Lord Seen In Revelation 6:17 Below (100% Yes!)

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"Immediately" after the tribulation (The Day Of The Lord) takes place (The End), Matthew 24:29 & Revelation 6:12-14 is the same exact event in parallel teachings

Revelation 6:12-17KJV
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Truth7t7]

The same sound he's hearing in response to his posts 343 and 363. Don't be a hypocrite.

Covenantee posts 343 & 363 were directly responded to, your suggestion they weren't is false