So you are saying it’s impossible for God to call a group of people tares that He knows will never accept Jesus as savior? I thought all things are possible with God.
Can a tare become saved?
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Davy
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A 'tare' can... accept Christ Jesus as their Savior. But Satan and his angels cannot.
Just because Jesus said the "tares" will be cast into the "lake of fire" doesn't mean none of them can be saved. Thinking that is primitive logic, and goes against what Jesus said about those who believe on Him. It also goes against the Biblical fact that no flesh-born is judged and sentenced to perdition in the future "lake of fire" just yet, but only Satan and his angels have.
Man's false Amil theory thinks that on the day of Jesus' future coming, all the wicked are then judged and destroyed. They believe that because they have torn the Revelation 20 Chapter out of their Bibles.
Revelation 20 shows that right after Christ's future return (per Rev.19), that Satan will be locked in his pit prison for a "thousand years". And that Christ's elect will reign with Jesus for that "thousand years" over the still existing wicked and unsaved nations. Other Bible Scripture exists, like the Zechariah 14:16-19 Scripture, that even leftovers of those who will come up against Jerusalem on the last day of this present world will be made to worship Christ after His coming, and even keep the Feast of Tabernacles. Revelation 3:9 also reveals the worse of Christ's enemies, the "synagogue of Satan" (children of darkness who hide as false Jews), will be made to come worship Him at the feet of His elect.
Thus man's false Amillennialism theories are designed to support the coming one-world beast kingdom of ten horns, seven heads, and ten crowns, what globalists today call "a one world government." That because Amill believes the "thousand years" of Rev.20 is symbolic for the time of Christ's Church from its start to today.
What about allowing tares to grow with wheat? What does that mean? I wouldn’t think that means allowing unrepentant tares to join a church.
Dash RipRock
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He wants all to be saved so He's not rooting for some to not be saved.
Most churches are full of tares because the churches all teach false doctrine.
Besides, you need to accept what Jesus said:
Matthew 13:30 - Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
It's the Lord's desire that the tares turn from their wicked ways and get born again which is why He is saying not to run them off.
He’s not rooting for some to be unsaved but it’s not impossible for God to call a group of people tares that He knows will never accept Jesus as savior. And since that is a possibility claiming all things are possible with God has no bearing on the parable.
I do accept that. I just don’t call people like Hitler a tare. Would you allow someone like Hitler to grow together with the wheat in your church?
Dash RipRock
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Will you continue to reject Matthew 13:30?
Hitler could have gotten saved even after WW2 just like Judas could have gotten saved after turning against the Lord.
Because, it's God's will that ALL get saved, and all things are possible with God.
Dash RipRock
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Sister-n-Christ
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Well Hitler was proven a tare in the end.
We cannot necessarily tell them apart with 100% certainty, but God knows those who are His.
Jesus told us about the signs of their life, as does Paul.
Matthew 7
1 Timithy 5
24 Some men’s sins are clearly evident, preceding them to judgment, but those of some men follow later.
25 Likewise, the good works of some are clearly evident, and those that are otherwise cannot be hidden.
We cannot necessarily tell them apart with 100% certainty, but God knows those who are His.
Jesus told us about the signs of their life, as does Paul.
Matthew 7
You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.1 Timithy 5
24 Some men’s sins are clearly evident, preceding them to judgment, but those of some men follow later.
25 Likewise, the good works of some are clearly evident, and those that are otherwise cannot be hidden.
So just anyone can join your church? An unrepentant openly drunkard can become a church member?
How about an atheist? Can a group of them join your church and be allowed to have discussions with other members about why God doesn’t exist?
Dash RipRock
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Who said he was?
Was it one of those crazy people that say satan and demons will all get saved one day?
Dash RipRock
Member
The churches are full of tares right now including drunks, drug addicts and atheists and witches who join to stir up trouble.
The sad thing is, most churches teach these people that they are all saved and good to go even as they continue living in sin.
They want warm bodies to show up and put money in the offering because most all churches have a mortgage to pay and staff that need big pay checks so they gotta tickle people's ears to keep them coming back to put more money in the offering.
If Hitler was a proven tare then Christians should be in agreement that Hitler should’ve been allowed to continue his campaign and grow with us, without interference from Christians.
Matthew 3. These Pharisees and Sadducees John calls them a brood of vipers, Jesus said they would receive the greater condemnation.
Most of them were tares, but not all. Paul was a Pharisee and becomes a chosen Apostle. I do think Nicodemus became a believer in Christ.
But at any one time, man looks on the outward appearance. While the LORD may have something different in mind for one we would look at as a tare. Regardless, if they die unbelieving, they are tares, and not been planted By the Son. The parable of the tares is about the final eternal state of all mankind from the view point of God.
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”
4 Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [a]and fire.
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Most of them were tares, but not all. Paul was a Pharisee and becomes a chosen Apostle. I do think Nicodemus became a believer in Christ.
But at any one time, man looks on the outward appearance. While the LORD may have something different in mind for one we would look at as a tare. Regardless, if they die unbelieving, they are tares, and not been planted By the Son. The parable of the tares is about the final eternal state of all mankind from the view point of God.
John the Baptist Prepares the Way
1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2 and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!” 3 For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah, saying:“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”
4 Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.
7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones.
10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [a]and fire.
12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Sister-n-Christ
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Dash RipRock
Member
Hitler was going to continue doing what he was doing until someone stopped him.
He claimed to be a Christians and was a follower of Martin Luther.
So, He was a Lutheran who followed the false doctrines of luthernism which is where he learn to hate the Jews because Martin Luther hated the Jews and during his life time advocated for expelling all Jews from Germany
Luther was Hitler's hero so Hitler was inspired by Luther to not only expel Jews from Germany but to murder all Jews.
Sister-n-Christ
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Dash RipRock
Member
Odd that someone who show honor and respect to satan by capitalizing his name. Weird.
I think the whole idea of allowing the tares to continue is on the spiritual side of the matter, it is not for us to know or determine such things.
Jesus is telling His workers, angelic harvestors, to let them both continue until harvest, lest the roots of the wheat be hurt. God has decreed that none He gives to Christ be lost.
And have you noticed, the angels know wheat from tare. See we can not see like they can, that the mark of the Lord is on the wheat, they are sealed with the Holy Spirit, and same with the tares, who have the mark of the devil on them
I asked about your church, if your church truly believes tares are to grow along side the wheat then your church should allow just anyone to become a member. Is that the case in your church? I can tell you this, I’ve never been to a church that didn’t have a statement of faith that they required patrons to agree with before becoming a member.
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