Can a tare become saved?

[grafted branch]

Was he a child of the wicked one? Yes. Will he be cast into the fire at the end of the age? Yes. So, he was a tare.

Ok, so I guess we made a mistake in WWII when we fought against Hitler. It was unbiblical for us to engage in that war, we should’ve just let him continue killing Jews.

Come on, get serious, as a Christian we all know it was right to put an end to that atrocity and not let him grow together with us. Hitler, by all external evidence, was unsaved but he was not a tare!

 

[grafted branch]

Nowhere in the parable does it say that the tares resemble the wheat in the way you are saying. Instead, it says the wheat are children of the kingdom and that tares are children of the wicked one (Matthew 13:38). For the most part, children of the wicked one do not resemble children of the kingdom spiritually.

So if someone was openly fornicating and openly drinking without any intention of quitting, you would welcome and tolerate that behavior in your church simply because that person is a tare and should grow together with you?

 

[Behold]

Hitler, by all external evidence, was unsaved but he was not a tare!

Hitler was a water baptized/confirmed Roman Catholic.........just like the next Pope.
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[grafted branch]

Hitler was a water baptized/confirmed Roman Catholic.........just like the next Pope.
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Well should we have just let him continue on with his atrocities and grow together with the wheat?

 

[Behold]

Well should we have just let him continue on with his atrocities and grow together with the wheat?

Hitler is dead.......so, i dont think you need to be concerned.

Now, if you want to find out what Paul teaches, regarding a Christian, who is a practicing fornicator..

Then Read 1 Corin 5, and then 2nd Corin 2:7.

And here is what you'll find interesting...
Paul never tells this person, to "confess the sin".....and never does Paul tell his Congregation to tell Him to "confess His sin".

Then read Romans 4:8 and 2 Corin 5:19 and find out WHY...

 

[grafted branch]

Hitler is dead.......so, i dont think you need to be concerned.

Ok, I take it you would allow another individual who commits similar acts as Hitler did to continue in your church.

Now, if you want to find out what Paul teaches, regarding a Christian, who is a practicing fornicator..

Then Read 1 Corin 5, and then 2nd Corin 2:7.

Then let’s use the example of murder. Should we allow a serial killer to continue on in our community, grow together with us, and attend our churches? That person would be considered a tare, right?

 

[Behold]

Ok, I take it you would allow another individual who commits similar acts as Hitler did to continue in your church.

Read those verses.
Find your answer, or continue be stuck inside your non-biblical opinion.

See.....Paul and the NT........have all the answers, but you have to study.

Then let’s use the example of murder. Should we allow a serial killer to continue on in our community, grow together with us, and attend our churches? That person would be considered a tare, right?

Before Saul became Paul.. He was obsessed with finding Christians, so that they could be murdered for their faith.
= Like St Stephen.

Later, as he wrote about this in His Epistle to the Romans....he defined that behavior........as him being the "The Chief of Sinners".
As Paul esteemed a Christian Murderer.......as the worst type of sinner.....or "Chief".

Now, you seem to believe that serial killers are the worst.
And what i believe is that Child Molesters who murder them, are the most evil type of sinner.

But in all cases........sinners quility for God's Forgiveness.

Later, if they are found again as the same moral deviant , then a death sentence, or life imprisonment, is going to be their only option......vs going to Church on Sunday.

 

[grafted branch]

Read those verses.
Find your answer, or continue be stuck inside your non-biblical opinion.

See.....Paul and the NT........have all the answers, but you have to study.

Here’s what Paul has to say …

1 Corinthians 5:10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world. 11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.

Excommunication is Biblical and Paul declares it’s something that needs to happen. A tare can’t be a fornicator, covetous, idolater, railer, drunkard, or extortioner. I read and found the answers.

Are you against excommunication?

 

[Behold]

f any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, such an one no not to eat.

Paul says you are not to "eat" with this person.

And in 1 Cor chapter 5, He explains what the Local Church is supposed to do with this person.
Then in 2 Corin, Paul explains how the Local Church is to treat the person, = LATER.

So, as i said..... you have to study the NT.......so that you get all of the verses, in context.....and in this way, you dont believe or teach "opinion".

 

[Davidpt]

Was Hitler a tare? Should we have let him grow together with us until the harvest?

Some interpreters simply don't get that if Jesus is using real world imagery to make a point, the point has to match the imagery used. Why does Jesus use real world imagery to begin with? Since He is the one that created man and provided man with common sense, He expects us to use it. He expects us to at least have enough sense to realize that if He is using real world imagery to make a point, we are to then apply this to the point He is making.

For example. If in the real world tares resemble wheat in the early stages this means we are to apply this fact to the parable. It is then a matter of, what does the wheat represent in the parable? Because whatever it represents, the tares have to resesmble it in the early stages in order to agree with what it means in the real world.

This is not difficult then. Context determines what something means. Per this context tares mean someone who resembles wheat but is not wheat. You and I seem to get this, yet others don't. I don't think they ever will. Or at least not in their lifetime anyway.

 

[grafted branch]

Paul says you are not to "eat" with this person.

And in 1 Cor chapter 5, He explains what the Local Church is supposed to do with this person.
Then in 2 Corin, Paul explains how the Local Church is to treat the person, = LATER.

So, as i said..... you have to study the NT.......so that you get all of the verses, in context.....and in this way, you dont believe or teach "opinion".

Right, but you have the tares being allowed to “grow together” <4885> to grow together, increase together. Where does Paul allow the 1 Corinthians 5:11 list to increase together with believers? Answer, nowhere. We are to be separated from them.

 

[grafted branch]

Some interpreters simply don't get that if Jesus is using real world imagery to make a point, the point has to match the imagery used. Why does Jesus use real world imagery to begin with? Since He is the one that created man and provided man with common sense, He expects us to use it. He expects us to at least have enough sense to realize that if He is using real world imagery to make a point, we are to then apply this to the point He is making.

For example. If in the real world tares resemble wheat in the early stages this means we are to apply this fact to the parable. It is then a matter of, what does the wheat represent in the parable? Because whatever it represents, the tares have to resesmble it in the early stages in order to agree with what it means in the real world.

This is not difficult then. Context determines what something means. Per this context tares mean someone who resembles wheat but is not wheat. You and I seem to get this, yet others don't. I don't think they ever will. Or at least not in their lifetime anyway.

Yea, absolutely. Also I looked at all the parables this morning and non of the other parables are interpreted using an untrue physical reality. The parable of the tares would be the only place that I can find where a parable might be interpreted that way.

 

[amigo de christo]

Why focus so much on Satan, and not the power of God to save even the worst of sinners?

And what IS the POWER of GOD . IT IS THE GOSPEL . and its high time this church age
got back to preaching the true POWER of GOD .
For i am not ashamed of the gospel of CHRIST , FOR IT IS THE POWER OF GOD unto SALVATION
unto ..........EVERYONE that believes , unto the jew , unto the gentile .
UNTO THOSE WHO BELIEVE .
but i sure seems to see me a form of godliness gospel in these last days THAT SURE SEEMS TO OMIT THE BELIEVE YE IN JESUS part .
Ever wonder what paul meant when he wrote
and said to timothy , Having a form of godliness BUT DENYING the POWER thereof .
THEY DENYING JESUS dude . this false love intefaith piece of dung . I will expose it to my final breath .

 

[Dash RipRock]

Well, in our physical reality

Well you did understand that when God says all things are possible with Him, that actually means ALL things are possible???

There's only one thing that God said in scripture that is not possible with Him - any idea what that might be?

the croc is claiming a tare can grow up to be wheat.

Actually the croc is believing God cannot open the minds of unbelievers and fake Christians so they can be saved.

Are you seriously going to argue that OSAS is not Biblical?

OSAS is the belief that one can live in sin and still be saved so they think tares are saved - tares being those living among the true Children of God where the tares are claiming to be Christians when they actually are servants of the devil walking after the flesh and not after the leading of the Holy Spirit based on God's Word..

OSAS is definitely satan's favorite deception as it tickles those with itching ears.

Those are the people that sadly don't believe all of God's Word.

Was Hitler a tare? Should we have let him grow together with us until the harvest?

Actually Hitler claimed to be a Christian and was a big fan of Martin Luther which is where he got his hatred for the Jews from. Martin Luther was also a tare, someone claiming to be a Christians but is actually a false brother teaching all manner of false doctrine just like John Calvin who is another well known tare.

Jesus specifically said in Matthew 13:30-39 to let both grow together until the harvest

Everyone is.... as "All have sinned, there is NONE righteous, no not one".

That was true when spoken back under the old covenant

But now under the New Covenant, that statement is no longer true because getting born again and being led by the Spirit is doing good and is walking in righteousness and is the will of the Lord.

 

[amigo de christo]

He clearly wasn't saved when he died. Jesus said he was lost, called him "a devil" and said it would've been better if he had never been born.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

John 6:70 Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil? 71 He spake of Judas Iscariot the son of Simon: for he it was that should betray him, being one of the twelve.

Mark 14:21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.

Today the motto is become and is becoming more and more
WOE unto the man that holds a bible and preaches that JESUS and HIS words , better for that man had he never been born
as THEY HUG JUDAS and satan . that might seem extreme , but look at all the hugs this diverse inclusive
rainbow holding koran kissing generation gets and see ALL the hate those who hold a bible and preach JESUS and his words recieve .
Its gonna get MUCH WORSE and VERY fast too . its hitting a peak and the DELUSION rages
and yet most and more and more of christendom see the delusion as LOVE , As loving and even OF GOD . its not looking good
my friend . but DONT you fear a thing man can do . YOU speak the truth , type the truth and in all things
we do and say LET IT HONOR MAGINFY HE who has saved us .

 

[amigo de christo]

Read all of scripture, not just some here and there.

John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.

YOU SPOT on right my friend that is what the many do . THEY quoate a scrip here and there BUT have not learned
ALL the scrips for themselves .
A good example is
THEY also always preach GOD WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE you .
AND YEt seem to forget where HE also says
IF YE FORSAKE HIM , HE WILL FORSAKE YOU .
people been steam rolled by DECIEVERS and worse seem to love to have it so .
TO THE TRENCHES , TO THE LAST and FINAL breath the TRUTH must be sounded out .
ALL scripture is INSPIRED OF GOD AND IT IS PROFITABLE .
TO the trenches the hour is late . MOST are gonna reject us my friend , BUT some will hear .
AND this rejection i speak of WILL ALSO GET MUCH MUCH WORSE
it wont just be words on a screen
IT wont just be digital ghettos they set up for us , and bans against us
IT WILL BE ACTIONS AND LAWS my friend . THIS generation IS RIPE with inquity
and is ready for the last hour call to RID THIS EARTH OF ALL , OF ANY and OF ALL who did not conform
to the image of what THEY thought was GOD and was love . ITS COMING and even now this hatred
against the saints grows .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well you did understand that when God says all things are possible with Him, that actually means ALL things are possible???

There's only one thing that God said in scripture that is not possible with Him - any idea what that might be?



Actually the croc is believing God cannot open the minds of unbelievers and fake Christians so they can be saved.



OSAS is the belief that one can live in sin and still be saved so they think tares are saved - tares being those living among the true Children of God where the tares are claiming to be Christians when they actually are servants of the devil walking after the flesh and not after the leading of the Holy Spirit based on God's Word..

OSAS is definitely satan's favorite deception as it tickles those with itching ears.

Those are the people that sadly don't believe all of God's Word.



Actually Hitler claimed to be a Christian and was a big fan of Martin Luther which is where he got his hatred for the Jews from. Martin Luther was also a tare, someone claiming to be a Christians but is actually a false brother teaching all manner of false doctrine just like John Calvin who is another well known tare.

Jesus specifically said in Matthew 13:30-39 to let both grow together until the harvest




That was true when spoken back under the old covenant

But now under the New Covenant, that statement is no longer true because getting born again and being led by the Spirit is doing good and is walking in righteousness and is the will of the Lord.

That GOD cannot lie . TIS IMPOSSIBLE for HIM to do so .
BUT it aint impossible for satan to do so . OH he can lie .
ANd he will and has convinced even a lot of christendome OF A LIE .
ANy guesses on what THAT LIE is .
A hint IT COMETH OF ANTI CHRIST . WHO is a liar
HE WHO DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST .
WELL i keep on hearing from more and more WITHIN EVEN CHRISTENDOM
that all other religoins serve the same GOD we do . WHAT , did i hear that right .
THAT IS OF ANTI CHRIST . Cause all other religoins DO NOT BELEIVE JESUS TOBE THE CHRIST , THE SON OF GOD
MESSIAH and HIS WORDS , THE DIRE REMINDER YE MUST BELIEVE IN HIM TO BE SAVED .
SO HOW DID GOD choose to SAVE the world . SEE With GOD it is possible to be saved .
HOW DID HE CHOOSE TO SAVE
FOR IT pleased GOD that by PREACHING to SAVE THOSE WHO ....................DO BELEIVE . DO BELEIVE . DO BELIEVE .
JESUS WILL NOT BE DENIED .
And unto all who do so they shall be FRIED . sorry for the ryhme but TRUE IT IS . and seeing i desire the death of none
GUESS WHO i am gonna remind all TO BELEIVE . JESUS THE GLORIOUS , THE WONDEROUS and MAGNIFICINET
CHRIST OF GOD . cause well there is no other plan of salvation . ONE MUST BELIEVE in HIM to be saved .

 

[Dash RipRock]

That GOD cannot lie . TIS IMPOSSIBLE for HIM to do so .

You win!

That's a simple question that many who claim to be Christian can't answer

Sometimes when I hear someone says "all things are possible with God", I tell them no, that's not true and it freaks them out.

There is a scripture that says all things are possible with God.

Then there is a scripture that says it's impossible for God to lie.

The reason I bring this up is to see who is considering all the Lord says on the subject in His Word.

 

[grafted branch]

There's only one thing that God said in scripture that is not possible with Him - any idea what that might be?

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

Well you did understand that when God says all things are possible with Him, that actually means ALL things are possible???

Since all things are possible with God, we know it’s possible to have a scenario where a tare will never be saved. If a tare did get saved then it would be impossible for God to have a scenario where tares couldn’t be saved.

Glad we got that cleared up.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Since all things are possible with God, we know it’s possible to have a scenario where a tare will never be saved. If a tare did get saved then it would be impossible for God to have a scenario where tares couldn’t be saved.

Claiming it's not possible for a tare to be saved is a doctrine of demons

Hebrews 7:25 - Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost

No matter how far away one is from the Lord, the Lord can still save them if they'll repent of their sins and come to Him and some do just that when they reach rock bottom.

There, NOW we finally got that all cleared up.