the Catholic Church teaches. . .

[Behold]

What I meant is they past the Salvation test.

Water baptism does not save you.
So, if the "Catholic" has been taught that lie, and believe in water baptism....that it "washed away my sin"....then that one has not Trusted in Christ.
They are not a Christian.... they are just a water baptized Catholic.

 

[Behold]

Yes, they have.
Just like the Evangelical Dispensationalists — misled since the early 1900s by a theology no apostle ever preached.

"rightly dividing the word", is the defininiton of "discering the seasons and times".

So, this is dispensational teaching, as the Bible is defining itself.

Listen, Anyone who is 3 yrs old, can understand that there is an "old Testament" and a "new Testament".. there is an Old Covenant and a New Covenant.

See that? ......... that is "rightly dividing" the word......as if you didnt, you would not understand the differences.

Its a fact that the Old Covenant, is not the New Covenant.
Its a fact that the LITERAL "time of the Gentiles" is not found in the Old Testament other then prophecy or symbolism.
Its a Fact that the Cross of Christ is not found in the Old Testament, other then in symbolism.....or prophecy.
Its a fact that the Tribulation is not found in the OT, other then by prophecy.
Its a fact that Moses Law and the 10 Commandments, were not found In Genesis, as Moses is not found in Genesis.


See all that?
That is "rightly divinding the word"..but its a mild dispensational teaching im doing.

That is "dispensational teaching" done right........but.........some religious nutbars kinda went crazy and got lost in this scriptural "dividing" and that is the case always with Theology, and often its fake Christians who do it.

Catholics were handed a pope.
Dispensationalists were handed Scofield.
Different idols, same deception.

I can only say that the MaryCult is a man made religion, and if someone is following Scofield, when they are supposed to be following Paul then they are incorrect.

 

[Josho]

Water baptism does not save you.
So, if the "Catholic" has been taught that lie, and believe in water baptism....that it "washed away my sin"....then that one has not Trusted in "Christ".
They are not a Christian.... they are just a Catholic.

??? You see I would argue that true Catholics acknowledge, believe and trust that Jesus Christ is their Lord & Saviour.

They believe in the power of the blood of The Lamb too you know?

And I love the way they do the Eucharist, I would agree that all Christians should partake of communion in the manner that they do.

Like Matthew 26:26-28

26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

27 Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. 28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins

Or

1 Corinthians 11:23-26

23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

This is the manner in which all Christians should partake of communion.

 

[Behold]

??? You see I would argue that true Catholics acknowledge, believe and trust that Jesus Christ is their Lord & Saviour.

They believe in the power of the blood of The Lamb too you know?

If you talk to Catholics on Forums... they talk about Mary and Water Baptism and the Eucharist.

They will fight with you endlessly and say that "water washed away their sin" and that water baptism is "required for Salvation".

Paul teaches that "FAITH in Christ" ......is why God will save you.,.. so that is not "water" or "mary" or "the Eucharist".

Its impossible to a get a Catholic to agree that God accepts our Faith in Christ to save us, and nothing else is required, so that denies the Gospel.

And I love the way they do the Eucharist, I would agree that all Christians should partake of communion in the manner that they do.

You seem to be the Forum's "STAFF" mouthpiece for the Cult of Mary.

How did that happen to you @Josho ?

Listen....Stop selling the Catholic Church.

Like Matthew 26:26-28


This is the manner in which all Christians should partake of communion.

I take The Communion.

Most of the time, its me alone with God and Christ, when i do it.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

"rightly dividing the word", is the defininiton of "discering the seasons and times".

So, this is dispensational teaching, as the Bible is defining itself.

Listen, Anyone who is 3 yrs old, can understand that there is an "old Testament" and a "new Testament".. there is an Old Covenant and a New Covenant.

See that? ......... that is "rightly dividing" the word......as if you didnt, you would not understand the differences.

Its a fact that the Old Covenant, is not the New Covenant.
Its a fact that the LITERAL "time of the Gentiles" is not found in the Old Testament other then prophecy or symbolism.
Its a Fact that the Cross of Christ is not found in the Old Testament, other then in symbolism.....or prophecy.
Its a fact that the Tribulation is not found in the OT, other then by prophecy.
Its a fact that Moses Law and the 10 Commandments, were not found In Genesis, as Moses is not found in Genesis.


See all that?
That is "rightly divinding the word"..but its a mild dispensational teaching im doing.

That is "dispensational teaching" done right........but.........some religious nutbars kinda went crazy and got lost in this scriptural "dividing" and that is the case always with Theology, and often its fake Christians who do it.




I can only say that the MaryCult is a man made religion, and if someone is following Scofield, when they are supposed to be following Paul then they are incorrect.

You take “rightly dividing the word of truth” from 2 Timothy 2:15 and smuggle in a 19th-century system that Paul never taught, Christ never mentioned, and the early Church never imagined.

“Rightly dividing” doesn’t mean cutting the Bible into dispensational slices like a prophecy pizza. It means handling the Word with integrity — keeping the Gospel whole, not chopping it into timelines to fit a Zionist agenda.

And no — recognizing the difference between the Old and New Covenants isn’t dispensationalism. It’s Christianity 101. Hebrews does that without needing Scofield’s crayons.

You want to argue Moses isn’t in Genesis? Congratulations — you just described linear time. That’s not “mild dispensational teaching.” That’s reading comprehension.

What you’re calling “dividing” is really distorting — and dressing it up with charts and buzzwords doesn’t make it sound less like heresy.

You’re not defending the Bible.
You’re defending a framework built on Scofield’s margins — not the blood of Christ.

 

[Mink57]

Water baptism does not save you.
So, if the "Catholic" has been taught that lie, and believe in water baptism....that it "washed away my sin"....then that one has not Trusted in Christ.
They are not a Christian.... they are just a water baptized Catholic.

Catholics ARE Christian.

A little friendly warning here... The rules state...

***Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.

Too much anti denominational posts are going to result in more warnings.

 

[Behold]

You take “rightly dividing the word of truth” from 2 Timothy 2:15 and smuggle in a 19th-century system that Paul never taught,

Yes the bible says to "righly......divide"....>>"the seasons and times"...

If you wrongly divide then you get Catholicism, or Mormonism, or JW, or Mary Baker Eddy, or some protestant denominations.
But when you "rightly divice" the word of God, as Paul teaches......by "spiritual discernment" then you are studying the bible, correctly.

What is this really?

Its simply to recognize that God is always the same, but He deals with Mankind, differently, at different times.. and this is "times and seasons"..

Notice, ... when God was dealing with the Jew....in the OT...........he used Moses Law, and that which is "engraven in Stone".

Later, after Jesus was Crucified, He is NOW dealing "in the time of the Gentiles'.. through the Cross of Christ.

So this is obviously NOT THE SAME.........and that is "rightly dividing'" the "Times and seasons" as ... "dispensational teaching".

Bible students are required by Paul to do it. @The Gospel of Christ

 

[Behold]

Catholics ARE Christian.

Yes, just like Baptist, and Messianic Jews..........If the Cathoic is BORN AGAIN............not just water baptized and believe this is their Salvaiton.........but if they are BORN AGAIN...........then they are a Christian.

Think of it like this..

Reader.....If you beleive that water is requried for Salvation, then you dont understand God's Salvation, and if you dont understand it, you cant know how to be Born again.

See, a person can claim to be a Mathematician.....but if they dont know any MATH,...........

So, if a person believe that "the water washed away my sin" then they do not understand The Cross of Christ, or HOW to be saved., as the water can't wash sin away, as its just WATER.

 

[Josho]

If you talk to Catholics on Forums... they talk about Mary and Water Baptism and the Eucharist.

They will fight with you endlessly and say that "water washed away their sin" and that water baptism is "required for Salvation".

Paul teaches that "FAITH in Christ" ......is why God will save you.,.. so that is not "water" or "mary" or "the Eucharist".

Its impossible to a get a Catholic to agree that God accepts our Faith in Christ to save us, and nothing else is required, so that denies the Gospel.




You seem to be the Forum's "STAFF" mouthpiece for the Cult of Mary.

How did that happen to you @Josho ?

Listen....Stop selling the Catholic Church.



I take The Communion.

Most of the time, its me alone with God and Christ, when i do it.

I am simply defending my Christian Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. And would like this site to be a place for all Christian denominations as it was intended to be.

As I say we are meant to be all on the same team, we are meant to be all members of "the Body of Christ" standing for Jesus, standing up for what is right, especially in this day and age. (For example a hand cannot say to the shoulder I don't need you.)

Anyway I have had my say here, enjoy your day.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Yes the bible says to "righly......divide"....>>"the seasons and times"...

If you wrongly divide then you get Catholicism, or Mormonism, or JW, or Mary Baker Eddy, or some protestant denominations.
But when you "rightly divice" the word of God, as Paul teaches......by "spiritual discernment" then you are studying the bible, correctly.

What is this really?

Its simply to recognize that God is always the same, but He deals with Mankind, differently, at different times.. and this is "times and seasons"..

Notice, ... when God was dealing with the Jew....in the OT...........he used Moses Law, and that which is "engraven in Stone".

Later, after Jesus was Crucified, He is NOW dealing "in the time of the Gentiles'.. through the Cross of Christ.

So this is obviously NOT THE SAME.........and that is "rightly dividing'" the "Times and seasons" as ... "dispensational teaching".

Bible students are required by Paul to do it. @The Gospel of Christ

Ah yes — the Scofield shuffle: take “rightly dividing the word of truth,” twist it into “times and seasons,” and use it to prop up a theology Paul never preached and Christ never sanctioned.

Let’s be clear:
2 Timothy 2:15 says nothing about "dividing the times and seasons."
It says to rightly handle the Word of Truth.
Not cut it into dispensational puzzle pieces with Larkin’s crayons.

You’re not “rightly dividing.”
You’re butchering the Gospel into covenants God never made.

Yes — God dealt with Israel under the Law.
Yes — the Cross changed everything.
That’s called the Old Covenant giving way to the New, not “dispensational time zones.”

Paul didn’t teach “God has different rules for different ages.”
He taught Christ is the fulfillment of the Law, the Prophets, the promises, and every shadow that came before.

You think you’re defending scripture?
No — you’re defending a 19th century, manmade system where Israel gets the kingdom, the Church gets the rapture, and Jesus gets sidelined until Act III.

That’s not “studying the Bible correctly.”
That’s Scofield blasphemy wearing Paul’s name like a stolen badge.

“He is our peace, who has made the two one.” — Ephesians 2:14
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek.” — Romans 10:12

Your system needs those distinctions.
It depends on them.
It can’t breathe without them.
Because the moment you admit Christ made the two one — your entire dispensational machine chokes and collapses.

If there’s no division, there’s no two-track plan.
If Jew and Gentile are united in Christ, your charts are garbage, your timelines are fantasy, and your Zionist theology gets buried under the rubble of Calvary.

The Gospel doesn’t accommodate your distinctions.
It obliterates them.

And for the record:
Catholicism didn’t come from “wrongly dividing.”
It came from adding to the Gospel — just like Scofieldism did, just dressed in different robes.

You want to “rightly divide”?
Start by dividing the truth from Scofield's footnotes.

 

[Behold]

I am simply defending my Christian Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. And would like this site to be a place for all Christian denominations as it was intended to be.

Not all Christian denominatiions are Of God.

Not all the people who are on this forum, are Christians.

Not everyone who is in church next Sunday, is a Christian.

So, you find out what they teach and believe, and if their SALVATiON Theology is a fraud, .. = if it does not perfectly match Paul's Salvation Theology... then they are not a real Christian Denomination and they are not a real Christian.

Becoming a Christian is a very specifice Spiritual situation, and if the person or the denomiation has it understood wrong, then its wrong, even if they have Lovely Plastic Statues of Mary, hanging from the Walls, and even if they post Videos on this Forum.

God bless you to have open eyes..., as your posts prove you are are a deeply naive person, as you seem to literally believe that everything that claims to be "Christian" is one........Church or Person.

What do you think? Do you think that the Church and the people that the devil's owns, all drink blood and cast spells?

Listen.......Satan's ministers, are FAKE CHRISTIANS.....most of all..= .And they post verses and videos and lots of teaching that is "" cut and pasted""" on FORUMS....., and they build Churches, and they talk about water as if the CROSS is nothing, and they talk about "what our church believes" AS if the bible is NOTHING.

God give you eyes to see, as your are not able, yet.

 

[Josho]

Not all Christian denominatiions are Of God.

Not all the people who are on this forum, are Christians.

Not everyone who is in church next Sunday, is a Christian.

So, you find out what they teach and believe, and if their SALVATiON Theology is a fraud, .. = if it does not perfectly match Paul's Salvation Theology... then they are not a real Christian Denomination and they are not a real Christian.

Becoming a Christian is a very specifice Spiritual situation, and if the person or the denomiation has it understood wrong, then its wrong, even if they have Lovely Plastic Statues of Mary, hanging from the Walls, and even if they post Videos on this Forum.

God bless you to have open eyes..., as your posts prove you are are a deeply naive person, as you seem to literally believe that everything that claims to be "Christian" is one........Church or Person.

What do you think? Do you think that the Church and the people that the devil's owns, all drink blood and cast spells?

Listen.......Satan's ministers, are FAKE CHRISTIANS.....most of all..= .And they post verses and videos and lots of teaching that is "" cut and pasted""" on FORUMS....., and they build Churches, and they talk about water as if the CROSS is nothing, and they talk about "what our church believes" AS if the bible is NOTHING.

God give you eyes to see, as your are not able, yet.

Ah you are begging for another reply, notice I used the word "true" in front of Catholics, this also applies to Christians.

Not everyone who says they are a Catholic is a Catholic, likewise not everyone who says they are a Christian is a Christian.

We can all make our assumptions, but God is the judge.

And no, someone practising witchcraft and casting spells needs to repent, there is no such thing as a Christian witch or sorcerer. And a Mafia man putting a gun to someone's head is no true Catholic either.

 

[Mink57]

Not all Christian denominatiions are Of God.

Not all the people who are on this forum, are Christians.

Not everyone who is in church next Sunday, is a Christian.

So, you find out what they teach and believe, and if their SALVATiON Theology is a fraud, .. = if it does not perfectly match Paul's Salvation Theology... then they are not a real Christian Denomination and they are not a real Christian.

Becoming a Christian is a very specifice Spiritual situation, and if the person or the denomiation has it understood wrong, then its wrong, even if they have Lovely Plastic Statues of Mary, hanging from the Walls, and even if they post Videos on this Forum.

God bless you to have open eyes..., as your posts prove you are are a deeply naive person, as you seem to literally believe that everything that claims to be "Christian" is one........Church or Person.

What do you think? Do you think that the Church and the people that the devil's owns, all drink blood and cast spells?

Listen.......Satan's ministers, are FAKE CHRISTIANS.....most of all..= .And they post verses and videos and lots of teaching that is "" cut and pasted""" on FORUMS....., and they build Churches, and they talk about water as if the CROSS is nothing, and they talk about "what our church believes" AS if the bible is NOTHING.

God give you eyes to see, as your are not able, yet.

No, they talk about water AND the Cross as if they're BOTH something. But if the subject is about Baptism, then stick to the subject! And don't drag the Cross into the discussion as if discussing Baptism is somehow neglecting the Cross.

And yes, they may talk about what their Church believes, but that doesn't mean that they're dismissing the Bible.

I think you may need to not only open your eyes, but open your mind.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We don't give the Catholics enough credit, Jonathan Roumie is a Catholic, look at how far and wide his has spread the Gospel with "The Chosen" series.

Yeah, they sure tucked in some unbiblical stuff in their entertainment for profit scheme too

No need to discuss that since those that embrace false doctrine can't tell the fake from the real.

I am simply defending my Christian Catholic brothers and sisters in Christ. And would like this site to be a place for all Christian denominations as it was intended to be.

In other words you embrace the ecumenical movement which is the foundation of the coming satanic one world religion where ALL religions are claimed to be paths unto salvation, the one the false prophet embraces.

 

[Mink57]

Yes, just like Baptist, and Messianic Jews..........If the Cathoic is BORN AGAIN............not just water baptized and believe this is their Salvaiton.........but if they are BORN AGAIN...........then they are a Christian.

If Jesus himself was baptized...and people in Acts were baptized...and Jesus told the Apostles after his resurrection to "Go and baptize all nations..."...and that Paul was baptized right after his conversion...and in Ephesians 4:5, Paul says, "one Lord, one faith, one baptism"...and in 1 Peter 3:20, 21: "who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

And as far as being "born again" goes, you're probably referring to John 3:3 and 3:5. Interesting...that the Greek words used are defined in the NT as "anew" or "from above" or "from top" or "from beginning"...

And yet, the KJV translates those words in John 3:3 and 3:5 into "born again." But in the original Greek it says, "Born from above."

And what did Jesu say in John 3:5? "Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."

Think of it like this..

Reader.....If you beleive that water is requried for Salvation, then you dont understand God's Salvation, and if you dont understand it, you cant know how to be Born again.

Read what I wrote above again.

See, a person can claim to be a Mathematician.....but if they dont know any MATH,...........

Funny how you're claiming lack of understanding for many. And yet it seems that it's YOU who really doesn't understand. If you did, you wouldn't view Catholics as NOT Christians.

So, if a person believe that "the water washed away my sin" then they do not understand The Cross of Christ, or HOW to be saved., as the water can't wash sin away, as its just WATER.

Just as water alone doesn't 'wash away sin', neither does saying the "Sinner's Prayer" 'wash' them away, either.

By the same token, I really don't think that YOU understand the Cross of Jesus.

 

[Mink57]

Yeah, they sure tucked in some unbiblical stuff in their entertainment for profit scheme too

Unbiblical? According to WHOSE Bible?

No need to discuss that since those that embrace false doctrine can't tell the fake from the real.

*Ahem* Pot meet kettle...

In other words you embrace the ecumenical movement which is the foundation of the coming satanic one world religion where ALL religions are claimed to be paths unto salvation, the one the false prophet embraces.

Hold on there, bucko....
One can recognize injustice when it's dished out without "embracing" anything. And that's what @Josho seems to be doing.

Sorry @Dan Clarkston, but some of us Catholics have had enough of the whole "Hell, fire and brimstone" approach, and seeing others use their Bibles to beat "us" over the head into humble submission.

You want to convince us of anything? I suggest you take a more practical and logical approach instead of an emotional one.

Nuf sed...

 

[Behold]

If Jesus himself was baptized...and people in Acts were baptized...and Jesus told the Apostles after his resurrection to "Go and baptize all nations..."...and that Paul was baptized right after his conversion...and in Ephesians 4:5, Paul says, "one Lord, one faith, one baptism"...and in 1 Peter 3:20, 21: "who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. And this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves you also--not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God--through the resurrection of Jesus Christ...

Everyone should be water baptized after they are born again by God's Holy Spirit as : "born from above".

So, the issue is not with water baptism.......the cult teaching is the issue......and that cult teaching is that "water washes away your sin" ...or , "water baptism" is when you are saved....... or "water baptism is required for salvation".

No one is saved by water baptism, as its just water.....
Take a shower....its just water.
Get in a baptismal, its the same water.
Its all just WATER.

So, a "water cult" teaches that water baptism, is required for Salvation.

And as far as being "born again" goes, you're probably referring to John 3:3 and 3:5. Interesting...that the Greek words used are defined in the NT as "anew" or "from above" or "from top" or "from beginning"...

Being born again........means........being born...= again........as you are already born, which is why you are here.

So, to be born.....again...........is not an earthly birth......as that is your first birthday when your mother's water broke and out you came, as "born of water".

To be born ....again......is a Spiritual Birth, ("from above") where the Holy Spirit of God birth's the person as BORN.... .Again..."in Christ", and "one with God".

What is that actually.???????......what is the easy way to understand it.. Reader.

Well, go back to the garden of Eden and what happened to Adam.
He lost "Spiritual Union" with God.....because of His Transgression.....and so, we are the victims of it........We all ended up as a sinner, including Mary and her children.

So, our sin......does not allow us to have spiritual union with God........Therefore, Christ came to deal with all our sin on His Cross, so that its no longer an eternal barrier between us and God.
So, this Spiritual Union with God, that 1st Adam lost, is offered again by JESUS the 2nd Adam.. = whose Sacrifice on The Cross will remove our sin when we "give God our Faith in Christ".... and this allows us to be rejoined to God "Spiritually".....as "Born....again".
And this is caused by the Holy Spirit of God, and no water baptism is necessary as we are born again "by my Spirit sayeth the Lord" and not by a water ceremony.

And what did Jesu say in John 3:5? "Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit."

When your mother's water broke, you came out of her, as.. " born of water".

Now you have to be ""BORN... AGAIN"" to go to Heaven.........= Born spiritually.. AGAIN...= By God's Holy Spirit, and a water baptism ceremony is not required.

 

[Josho]

Yeah, they sure tucked in some unbiblical stuff in their entertainment for profit scheme too

No need to discuss that since those that embrace false doctrine can't tell the fake from the real.






In other words you embrace the ecumenical movement which is the foundation of the coming satanic one world religion where ALL religions are claimed to be paths unto salvation, the one the false prophet embraces.

I do not embrace the interfaith stuff, Islam and Catholicism are 2 very different things Catholicism is a part of Christianity

Islam is not, Buddhism is not, Hinduism is not, Taoism is not.

However Christian denominations like Catholicism, Anglicanism, Pentecostals, etc. these are all meant to be a part of Christianity, I do not consider them a different religion, just different Christian Denominations. Why? Because we all agree on the core of Christianity, Jesus Christ who died for us that we may have eternal life through God's grace and rose again on the 3rd day to complete his testimony that He is Alive, He is the living Son of God, the living God, who ascended to Heaven and sent His Holy Spirit to be with us. This is the core of Christianity.

In saying that I think this thread has ran it's course, coming at our Christian Catholic brothers and sisters with the mob mentality with metaphorical batons and torches is not going to achieve very much at all.

Instead bless one another, encourage one another, build each other up. We as Christians all need each other in the Body of Christ, learn to live in unity.

God bless you all.