SDAs, USA and the End times.

[Rockerduck]

You are ten years too early. The world trade centres were levelled in 2001-09-11 or are you talking about another event in 1991 that I have no recollection/remembrance of.

ops, you are right, wrong Bush in the white house.

 

[PS95]

It was a former Leo that wrote the encyclical, Rerum Novarum. In it he stated how essential it was that Sunday sacredness be restored to the church, just as John Paul did, Benedict, and Francis. All with increasing fervour. But you are correct in observing that such a change to people's thinking in the current climate seems outlandishly unlikely. Yet there are many groups and individuals working behind the scenes, along with the more open efforts from the Vatican and the Sunday Reformers in America, who have been a constant reminder to the world that a legislated Sunday rest is not as it outside the realms of possibility. But that's looking at it appears in the world. Prophetically, it's inevitable. Revelation, if understood correctly, speaks clearly of a global mark of papal authority on all those who
A. Do not keep the commandments of God
B. Have not the seal of God in the foreheads and
C. Have not the testimony of Jesus which is the Spirit of prophecy. (See Revel. 12:17; 14:12; and 19:10).

From Revelation 12 through to 18 there is a clear war between two powers. Satan and Christ, both having agents, Satan imperial government to j Jesus, the church. It isn't about Israel, unless you consider the church as God's Israel. Which I believe it is.

As long as you believe that SDA is the only true church you will live under that unfounded fear. Take from one raised as JW. I get it, brakelight. It's not true. Mark of the beast isn't about Sunday worship.

 

[Jay Ross]

I think we have had this discussion years ago, my position has not changed on that.
And remains that no one knows when, no one can calculate when Jesus is coming back. Backed by Matthew 24:36 onwards.

Matthew 24:36-51: -​

No One Knows the Day or Hour
(Mark 13:32-37; Luke 17:26,27,34,35; 21:34-36)​

36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, {nor the Son}, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.​

​

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant​

(Luke 12:41-48)​

​

45 "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.​

NKJV​

Yes, I agree with what this passage states, however the passage only tells us that we will not know the actual day or the hour that the Son of God will return.

Now I have indicated the year in which the Christ will return in the clouds, but only as an indication of the actual year. What I have consistently written is that "around" such and such a time will be when Christ returns. I have only given an indication of when this will be.

Now Josho, I have also consistently stated that I believe the end of this present age will occur in around 20 years, i.e. around the year 2044. Now I am of an age when my toes may have curled upwards by then but you, in all probability, are young enough to see the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged for the parts that they have played in trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts. Now the expression, "around 2044" means that there is in all probability and error of plus or minus two to five years which means that I am well within a reasonable accuracy for when this present age will conclude. Now I have not tried to figure out which day that will occur on nor the hour when the age will end.

You on the other hand will be able to remember this conversation when the age ends and then decide whether or not I had got it right or not, but until then all that you can say is that I have presented a possible time as to when this present age will end.

Shalom

 

[Jay Ross]

ops, you are right, wrong Bush in the white house.

As they say a bird in the hand is worth two in the Bush. LOL

 

[Jay Ross]

Spiritualizing everything as you do blinds you to political and religious realities that affect the church. One example. The Dragon stood before the woman to devour the child as soon as it was born. (Revelation 12). The Dragon according to that same chapter primarily represents Satan. But Satan didn't personally attempt to kill Jesus. He used agents. And the one agent he used when Christ was born was Herod, who was representing the Roman power. That Dragon has identifiers that are consistent throughout scripture. Those identifiers point directly to governmental powers as being the tools of the enemy. Even the apostate church which opposed God people throughout they dark ages, was a union of church and state, and itself a horn that grew from the Dragon like beast of Daniel 7. In Daniel 8, the horn that obviously represented pagan Rome, developed into papal Rome as history attests. The angel himself identified to Daniel the identity of the first 3 beasts. Babylon, Meda-Persia, Greece. The 4th can only be Rome. You have been grossly misled and are misleading others.

So, what you are saying, from what you have written, is in complete agreement with what I have posted.

Thankyou.

That the Beasts and Satan are hidden behind the manifestation of them in the sea of humanity.

Now that is not spiritualizing anything written in scripture, but taking the scriptures as literally presented in Daniel 7:2-12 when Daniel 7:11-12 will occur in around 20 years' time.

But who is counting.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are completely denying history. The 4 horns that grew from the leopard after the first one was broken, were also kings. Why changed the trajectory and symbolism half way through the prophecy? After a series of battles after Alexander's demise, and having no heir, the Empire was divided into 4.
The Antigonids (Macedonia) The Ptolomies (Egypt) The Seleucids (Greece) The Attalids (Pergamum)

Really, have I changed the historical record?

What Daniel 8 tells us is that the Little Horn will be given "human" armies to do his bidding to achieve his trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts, and this trampling is still on track to come to its completion in around 20 years' time.

 

[David in NJ]

Hmmmm, to be fair 60 years ago they weren't perfect either, it was only just 60 years ago there was widespread racial discrimination, segregation and violence.

Unfortunately that sort of thing is on the rise again...

Now protestants and Catholics aside.

History has gone in cycles ever since Adam fell. Morality is going backwards in the Western world, however it has been there before.

I would consider we are better of now than they were in the medieval ages, what you heard of with ISIS, well that was the widespread reality back during that time, people were getting their heads chopped in a lot of places, hey this was even a reality in Jesus's time, John the Baptist got his head chopped.

And then it wasn't all that long ago they were massacring the native people of your land and my land. We also have to consider the world has not had a World War since the 1940s.

And further back the days of Noah were really bad before the flood, Noah's family were literally the only ones good in the sight of the Lord, Sodom and Gommorah was worse than it is today, you had a whole city of homosexuals trying to rape Lot...

Compared to those examples I would say we are currently living in better times. There aren't heads flying off everywhere, we aren't having to shelter from armies in most of our parts of the world. In WWII the UK was living in constant fear of getting bombed by the Nazis, we don't have that at the moment in countries like the USA, Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand, France, Spain, etc.

Never said nor implied that the protestant churches were "perfect".

Today, many Protestant churches are just as dead as the RCC = Rev 3:1

“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, ‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars:
“I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

Compared to those examples I would say we are currently living in better times. There aren't heads flying off everywhere,

Here in the USA = yes
Elsewhere christians are being brutally massacred.

Just the other day Two Messianic Jews(Believers in JESUS) were gunned down for their faith in Washington DC.
Barely any media outcry from this = so we are getting closer day by day to the 'Mark' and wholesale slaughter of Believers.

Just a fews years back they were trying to make it a crime for not getting the Experimental Vaxx.
They were temporarily defeated, but they are preparing for Round 2 of 'forced vaxxinations'.

Have you been to a Whole Foods Supermarket? = they have the hand scanners in place for the coming Mark of the Beast

 

[Josho]

Never said nor implied that the protestant churches were "perfect".

Today, many Protestant churches are just as dead as the RCC = Rev 3:1

“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, ‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars:
“I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.


Here in the USA = yes
Elsewhere christians are being brutally massacred.

Just the other day Two Messianic Jews(Believers in JESUS) were gunned down for their faith in Washington DC.
Barely any media outcry from this = so we are getting closer day by day to the 'Mark' and wholesale slaughter of Believers.

Just a fews years back they were trying to make it a crime for not getting the Experimental Vaxx.
They were temporarily defeated, but they are preparing for Round 2 of 'forced vaxxinations'.

Have you been to a Whole Foods Supermarket? = they have the hand scanners in place for the coming Mark of the Beast

Here in Australia we enjoy a relatively peaceful country too, in fact most Western nations do, yeah there are acts of terror like the one you mentioned, and that is a terrible thing in itself.

However you and I have not been dragged into concentration camps and beaten.

Vaccinations...... I don't know what the issue is with them, I had vaccinations in school, they are just a protective measure against diseases and viruses, forcing them was a wrong thing to do in hindsight, however I had no problem with getting vaccinated. They were just simply trying to control the spread of Covid and protect vulnerable people.

Scanners, too much paranoia imo, the barcode and scanners were set in place to make life easier, a supermarket with thousands of products can easily identify the price of one product with just scanning one barcode.

 

[David in NJ]

Here in Australia we enjoy a relatively peaceful country too, in fact most Western nations do, yeah there are acts of terror like the one you mentioned, and that is a terrible thing in itself.

However you and I have not been dragged into concentration camps and beaten.

Vaccinations...... I don't know what the issue is with them, I had vaccinations in school, they are just a protective measure against diseases and viruses, forcing them was a wrong thing to do in hindsight, however I had no problem with getting vaccinated. They were just simply trying to control the spread of Covid and protect vulnerable people.

Scanners, too much paranoia imo, the barcode and scanners were set in place to make life easier, a supermarket with thousands of products can easily identify the price of one product with just scanning one barcode.

The early vaccinations were originally designed to help our immune system.

True to satan's nature, now the vaccinations are to cause harm.

The Covid Vaxx and what is coming is to harm & expedite our death.

My childhood vaccinations gave me arthritis.
Many today are suffering all kinds of allergies, sicknesses and genetic harm due to vaccines.

Lymes Disease was created by evil men in a lab and released upon the world = same as Covid

 

[David in NJ]

Here in Australia we enjoy a relatively peaceful country too, in fact most Western nations do, yeah there are acts of terror like the one you mentioned, and that is a terrible thing in itself.

However you and I have not been dragged into concentration camps and beaten.

Vaccinations...... I don't know what the issue is with them, I had vaccinations in school, they are just a protective measure against diseases and viruses, forcing them was a wrong thing to do in hindsight, however I had no problem with getting vaccinated. They were just simply trying to control the spread of Covid and protect vulnerable people.

Scanners, too much paranoia imo, the barcode and scanners were set in place to make life easier, a supermarket with thousands of products can easily identify the price of one product with just scanning one barcode.

Drivers License/Social Security Number/ Scanners/barcode/smart phone

These are the conditioning of society to prepare them for the Mark of the Beast.

When the MoB comes people will think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread and wholeheartedly embrace it.

 

[Brakelite]

As long as you believe that SDA is the only true church you will live under that unfounded fear. Take from one raised as JW. I get it, brakelight. It's not true. Mark of the beast isn't about Sunday worship.

Okay, 2 points.

One, who told you I was afraid? I'm actually looking forward to that day as it ushers in the second coming of Jesus, and all these issues will ceased to exist.

Second. The Catholics church admits herself that Sunday is a mark of her authority. She boasts of this by the very fact that protestants, who claim the Bible and the Bible only as their foundation for faith and practise, observe Sunday which is more found in scripture but is solely a creation of the Catholic church, thus protestants have surrendered to papal authority by observing their day of worship as opposed to the biblical Sabbath.

Have you heard of the Lord's Day Alliance? 150 years ago there was a very comes serious attempt at placing Sunday sacredness into federal law in America. It was called the Blair Bill. While being considered in Congress, a Seventh Day Adventist by the name of Alonzo Jones some before Congress so powerfully and so eloquently that the bill was defeated. The Lord's Day Alliance was established by Sunday Reformers to work to ensure that such a defeat will never be repeated. There is coming a second attempt to override the constitution and join together church and state and establish Sunday laws in your nation. That you cannot see that is not my fault. You just aren't looking hard enough. Look at what Trump is doing in conjunction with the leaders of the evangelical churches right now. He has already put any attempts to defend the constitution and separation of church and state on notice. He has already, many times, promised that America will be a Christian nation. And you seriously think a legislated Sunday won't be a part of that?

And as far as being the only true church. No Adventist has ever claimed that. Even Ellen White declared that there will be more members of other churches in heaven than Adventists. All other denominations have genuine Christians in them who are and will be ultimately saved. And there are many members of SDA churches who will not be saved. It isn't a denominational thing, salvation.
However. We do believe we have been given a last day message for the world. The messages of the 4 angels in Revelation 14 and 18 are Seventh Day Adventist messages. It is the gospel for the final generations before the second coming. It is also a prophetic message. And we are a church with a far more complete picture of prophecy than any other, without exception. We are the last of the true Protestant churches. One of the very few who hasn't officially capitulated to the traditions and compromises of Rome.

 

[David in NJ]

Okay, 2 points.

One, who told you I was afraid? I'm actually looking forward to that day as it ushers in the second coming of Jesus, and all these issues will ceased to exist.

Second. The Catholics church admits herself that Sunday is a mark of her authority. She boasts of this by the very fact that protestants, who claim the Bible and the Bible only as their foundation for faith and practise, observe Sunday which is more found in scripture but is solely a creation of the Catholic church, thus protestants have surrendered to papal authority by observing their day of worship as opposed to the biblical Sabbath.

Have you heard of the Lord's Day Alliance? 150 years ago there was a very comes serious attempt at placing Sunday sacredness into federal law in America. It was called the Blair Bill. While being considered in Congress, a Seventh Day Adventist by the name of Alonzo Jones some before Congress so powerfully and so eloquently that the bill was defeated. The Lord's Day Alliance was established by Sunday Reformers to work to ensure that such a defeat will never be repeated. There is coming a second attempt to override the constitution and join together church and state and establish Sunday laws in your nation. That you cannot see that is not my fault. You just aren't looking hard enough. Look at what Trump is doing in conjunction with the leaders of the evangelical churches right now. He has already put any attempts to defend the constitution and separation of church and state on notice. He has already, many times, promised that America will be a Christian nation. And you seriously think a legislated Sunday won't be a part of that?

Sunday is NOT the sabbath rest of the Old Covenant nor the pre-flood 7th day of the week.

Saturday is the OT commanded day of rest that if a person disregards it, they shall be put to death.
The OT Saturday rest has a death penalty attached to it = observe or DIE

There is no such Saturday commandment in the New Covenant in Christ.
Likewise, there is no Sunday commandment in the New Covenant in Christ.

However, there is a Commandment of Rest in the New Covenant that includes the DEATH penalty should a person disregard God's Rest.

Do you or anyone on here know what day it is???

 

[David in NJ]

Okay, 2 points.

One, who told you I was afraid? I'm actually looking forward to that day as it ushers in the second coming of Jesus, and all these issues will ceased to exist.

Second. The Catholics church admits herself that Sunday is a mark of her authority. She boasts of this by the very fact that protestants, who claim the Bible and the Bible only as their foundation for faith and practise, observe Sunday which is more found in scripture but is solely a creation of the Catholic church, thus protestants have surrendered to papal authority by observing their day of worship as opposed to the biblical Sabbath.

Have you heard of the Lord's Day Alliance? 150 years ago there was a very comes serious attempt at placing Sunday sacredness into federal law in America. It was called the Blair Bill. While being considered in Congress, a Seventh Day Adventist by the name of Alonzo Jones some before Congress so powerfully and so eloquently that the bill was defeated. The Lord's Day Alliance was established by Sunday Reformers to work to ensure that such a defeat will never be repeated. There is coming a second attempt to override the constitution and join together church and state and establish Sunday laws in your nation. That you cannot see that is not my fault. You just aren't looking hard enough. Look at what Trump is doing in conjunction with the leaders of the evangelical churches right now. He has already put any attempts to defend the constitution and separation of church and state on notice. He has already, many times, promised that America will be a Christian nation. And you seriously think a legislated Sunday won't be a part of that?

i SEE and AGREE

 

[Josho]

Matthew 24:36-51: -​

No One Knows the Day or Hour
(Mark 13:32-37; Luke 17:26,27,34,35; 21:34-36)​

36 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, {nor the Son}, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.​

​

​

The Faithful Servant and the Evil Servant​

​

(Luke 12:41-48)​

​

45 "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? 46 Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. 47 Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods. 48 But if that evil servant says in his heart, 'My master is delaying his coming,' 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, 51 and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.​

NKJV​

Yes, I agree with what this passage states, however the passage only tells us that we will not know the actual day or the hour that the Son of God will return.

Now I have indicated the year in which the Christ will return in the clouds, but only as an indication of the actual year. What I have consistently written is that "around" such and such a time will be when Christ returns. I have only given an indication of when this will be.

Now Josho, I have also consistently stated that I believe the end of this present age will occur in around 20 years, i.e. around the year 2044. Now I am of an age when my toes may have curled upwards by then but you, in all probability, are young enough to see the gathering of the kings of the earth at Armageddon to be judged for the parts that they have played in trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts. Now the expression, "around 2044" means that there is in all probability and error of plus or minus two to five years which means that I am well within a reasonable accuracy for when this present age will conclude. Now I have not tried to figure out which day that will occur on nor the hour when the age will end.

You on the other hand will be able to remember this conversation when the age ends and then decide whether or not I had got it right or not, but until then all that you can say is that I have presented a possible time as to when this present age will end.

Shalom

That is if you are to take Matthew 24 for a literal day or hour.

But I shall see what happens in the 2040s, plenty of predictions about the timing have been made before and have not came to past.

 

[Josho]

Drivers License/Social Security Number/ Scanners/barcode/smart phone

These are the conditioning of society to prepare them for the Mark of the Beast.

When the MoB comes people will think it is the greatest thing since sliced bread and wholeheartedly embrace it.

Could it be a spiritual thing though? As you may be aware there is a rise of the occult again, the amount of people identifying as atheist is not really the full truth, when you see how many are getting involved in witchcraft.

So if the world is becoming more interested in the supernatural but looking at the wrong places? Could this MoB be a spiritual mark?

 

[PS95]

Okay, 2 points.

One, who told you I was afraid? I'm actually looking forward to that day as it ushers in the second coming of Jesus, and all these issues will ceased to exist.

I based that on all of the SDA hullaballu about not voting for Trump because you are were all so convinced that he was buddied up with Project 25. the leftist news beat that nonsensical drum too, of course. I spoke to you about Ben Carson and proj 25- being -SDA and how he would never agree to that.
Or have you forgotten all of that clamor last election? I haven't!

Second. The Catholics church admits herself that Sunday is a mark of her authority. She boasts of this by the very fact that protestants, who claim the Bible and the Bible only as their foundation for faith and practise, observe Sunday which is more found in scripture but is solely a creation of the Catholic church, thus protestants have surrendered to papal authority by observing their day of worship as opposed to the biblical Sabbath.

No one cares what the Catholics say. We have a Constitution here and it wont pass the smell test. Unless ya'll vote in a lefty who uses it a toilet paper all the while claiming they stand for it.. Doublespeak is common with cults and I see the left's tactics are clearly the same ones used by cults. Who knows- They may try brakelight, but it won't fly. But let's pretend that happened. Nothing would stop me from gathering with other believers- always remember" where 2 or more are gathered in my name I am there in the midst." So church building schmuilding. What would stop you from worship? Nothing will stop me. Do you really think that God ignores you if it's Wednesday? THINK!!

Have you heard of the Lord's Day Alliance? 150 years ago there was a very comes serious attempt at placing Sunday sacredness into federal law in America. It was called the Blair Bill. While being considered in Congress, a Seventh Day Adventist by the name of Alonzo Jones some before Congress so powerfully and so eloquently that the bill was defeated. The Lord's Day Alliance was established by Sunday Reformers to work to ensure that such a defeat will never be repeated. There is coming a second attempt to override the constitution and join together church and state and establish Sunday laws in your nation. That you cannot see that is not my fault. You just aren't looking hard enough. Look at what Trump is doing in conjunction with the leaders of the evangelical churches right now. He has already put any attempts to defend the constitution and separation of church and state on notice. He has already, many times, promised that America will be a Christian nation. And you seriously think a legislated Sunday won't be a part of that?

The USA was founded as a Christian nation. BUT it is not one anymore. So any Christian who thinks calling us that is only fooling themselves. That title means nothing. It would actually be seen as provocative for those who hate Christ. not real bright. What good would that do? None.
USA is now full of atheists, Muslims and Hindus, Buddhists and New age.- thanks to years of open borders and the internet. So calling us Christian is pretty lame at this point. We are merely a nation with some Christians in it. We are not a Christian nation. Here we go with the Trump paranoia again. Instead of unfounded fears- why don't you wait and see IF that happens.
It wont. TRUMP HAS JEWISH grandchildren and daughter. HELLO?
This is propaganda. I grew up in a JW family- I lived this crap. It is a lie.

And as far as being the only true church. No Adventist has ever claimed that. Even Ellen White declared that there will be more members of other churches in heaven than Adventists. All other denominations have genuine Christians in them who are and will be ultimately saved. And there are many members of SDA churches who will not be saved. It isn't a denominational thing, salvation.
However. We do believe we have been given a last day message for the world. The messages of the 4 angels in Revelation 14 and 18 are Seventh Day Adventist messages. It is the gospel for the final generations before the second coming. It is also a prophetic message. And we are a church with a far more complete picture of prophecy than any other, without exception. We are the last of the true Protestant churches. One of the very few who hasn't officially capitulated to the traditions and compromises of Rome.

Wow brakelight I am surprised.
Adventism taught all other churches are “apostate”, and part of “fallen Babylon”, while the Adventist Church is the “remnant church” of Bible prophecy. Adventists believe they are God’s “remnant” people. They believe they are the only true church on earth. At their worldwide General Conference in 2000, they passed a resolution affirming this belief. This is very important for them to believe. They refer to other Christians as either “apostate Protestant,” “Babylon,” “Sunday keepers,” or as sheep that have not yet come into the fold. They believe everyone who will be saved in the final days before Jesus returns will be a Seventh-day Adventist.

If we are all breaking God's Sabbath commandment. How do you expect us to believe that you think God will tolerate that? We must all become SDA before that you mean. I have read Hobie's condemning posts and frankly I prefer his honesty about it. He agrees with what is taught.

 

[David in NJ]

Could it be a spiritual thing though? As you may be aware there is a rise of the occult again, the amount of people identifying as atheist is not really the full truth, when you see how many are getting involved in witchcraft.

So if the world is becoming more interested in the supernatural but looking at the wrong places? Could this MoB be a spiritual mark?

Well, we should always take God's word at face value and then pray and do exhaustive research in the scriptures to SEE if there are
other corraborating scripture.

Rev 13:16 - And the second beast required all people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark—the name of the beast or the number of its name.

This is straightforward and not at all ambiguous nor is it a parable.

Where else might this have been spoken of before in scripture???

 

[David in NJ]

I based that on all of the SDA hullaballu about not voting for Trump because you are were all so convinced that he was buddied up with Project 25. the leftist news beat that nonsensical drum too, of course. I spoke to you about Ben Carson and proj 25- being -SDA and how he would never agree to that.
Or have you forgotten all of that clamor last election? I haven't!

No one cares what the Catholics say. We have a Constitution here and it wont pass the smell test. Unless ya'll vote in a lefty who uses it a toilet paper all the while claiming they stand for it.. Doublespeak is common with cults and I see the left's tactics are clearly the same ones used by cults. Who knows- They may try brakelight, but it won't fly. But let's pretend that happened. Nothing would stop me from gathering with other believers- always remember" where 2 or more are gathered in my name I am there in the midst." So church building schmuilding. What would stop you from worship? Nothing will stop me. Do you really think that God ignores you if it's Wednesday? THINK!!

The USA was founded as a Christian nation. BUT it is not one anymore. So any Christian who thinks calling us that is only fooling themselves. That title means nothing. It would actually be seen as provocative for those who hate Christ. not real bright. What good would that do? None.
USA is now full of atheists, Muslims and Hindus, Buddhists and New age.- thanks to years of open borders and the internet. So calling us Christian is pretty lame at this point. We are merely a nation with some Christians in it. We are not a Christian nation. Here we go with the Trump paranoia again. Instead of unfounded fears- why don't you wait and see IF that happens.
It wont. TRUMP HAS JEWISH grandchildren and daughter. HELLO?
This is propaganda. I grew up in a JW family- I lived this crap. It is a lie.


Wow brakelight I am surprised.
Adventism taught all other churches are “apostate”, and part of “fallen Babylon”, while the Adventist Church is the “remnant church” of Bible prophecy. Adventists believe they are God’s “remnant” people. They believe they are the only true church on earth. At their worldwide General Conference in 2000, they passed a resolution affirming this belief. This is very important for them to believe. They refer to other Christians as either “apostate Protestant,” “Babylon,” “Sunday keepers,” or as sheep that have not yet come into the fold. They believe everyone who will be saved in the final days before Jesus returns will be a Seventh-day Adventist.

If we are all breaking God's Sabbath commandment. How do you expect us to believe that you think God will tolerate that? We must all become SDA before that you mean. I have read Hobie's condemning posts and frankly I prefer his honesty about it. He agrees with what is taught

Wow brakelight I am surprised.
Adventism taught all other churches are “apostate”, and part of “fallen Babylon”, while the Adventist Church is the “remnant church” of Bible prophecy. Adventists believe they are God’s “remnant” people. They believe they are the only true church on earth. At their worldwide General Conference in 2000, they passed a resolution affirming this belief. This is very important for them to believe. They refer to other Christians as either “apostate Protestant,” “Babylon,” “Sunday keepers,” or as sheep that have not yet come into the fold. They believe everyone who will be saved in the final days before Jesus returns will be a Seventh-day Adventist.

SDA is no different then the RCC, Mormons and jehove whitlesses in that they all make the same claim of themselves.

See Post #72

@Brakelite is easy to talk to on these things and (i believe) more open to the Holy Scriptures of Truth - at least i hope so!

 

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Never said nor implied that the protestant churches were "perfect".

Today, many Protestant churches are just as dead as the RCC = Rev 3:1

“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, ‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars:
“I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.


Here in the USA = yes
Elsewhere christians are being brutally massacred.

Just the other day Two Messianic Jews(Believers in JESUS) were gunned down for their faith in Washington DC.
Barely any media outcry from this = so we are getting closer day by day to the 'Mark' and wholesale slaughter of Believers.

Just a fews years back they were trying to make it a crime for not getting the Experimental Vaxx.
They were temporarily defeated, but they are preparing for Round 2 of 'forced vaxxinations'.

Have you been to a Whole Foods Supermarket? = they have the hand scanners in place for the coming Mark of the Beast

I did not know that sweet couple were Messianic Jews. That's so sad.
Ok. Glad they caught him although that does nothing for these families.
Nothing makes sense.

What round 2 of vaxes? with RFK? What are you speaking about?
that wont go well.

 

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SDA is no different then the RCC, Mormons and jehove whitlesses in that they both make the same claim of themselves.

See Post #72

@Brakelite is easy to talk to on these things and (i believe) more open to the Holy Scriptures of Truth - at least i hope so!

I know. heartbreaking. I love brakelight and he knows that. but his heels are fully dug in.

Most times there is doublespeak at least with JWs there is. They have the ability to believe 2 opposing views simultaneously. Sad part is they can't make the distinction. They will just lash out say you are a liar. It's hard to know what to do. When they look to their leaders words above scripture it is a real problem and that is precisely what they do.